Experience on 3SGE Beams on AE111

[Veloc]

I guess so, judging from the BEAMS Owners Group forum & my own. Mine was 160 whp (200ps@crank-claimed) bone stock. General guidline for transmission loss is about 22%. So 200 x 0.78 = 156...correct lor.

2ZZGE stock = 140-150 whp. 190 ps@crank x 0.78 = 148 whp.

BT20v 165 ps@crank x 0.78 = 129 whp (should be PS@wheel).

So much loss? But I've seen stock BT dyno and get around 140 whp.

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BT turbo much less trouble & cheaper? Dude, I dont think so...else we would be having plenty of BT turbo around here. FYI, turbo charging any NA high comp engine is not gonna be much less trouble and cheaper. If ZGE, yes... but for 20V, a big no-no unless the engine is built up and compression lowered.

Btw sifu, 3SGE Beams redtop should make 160-165whp out of the box right?

Bro... Yes it's costly and troublesome if go high boost. GZE much easier. But low boost < 0.4 bar can. No need change low com pistons. Just 2mm metal head gasket. And another alternative instead of using GZE is to change the BT conrods to SVT rods.

 

[2 Old 2 Rusty]

So much loss? But I've seen stock BT dyno and get around 140 whp.

"General" guideline, bro. Not exact figures mar, haiyar.

Even atmospheric changes could cause you a few Hp & not to mention different dyno machines giving different reading.

I've seen with my own 2 eyes, a Vtec gaining extra 10 whp due to cold air induction on the dyno, bro. So, my advise is not to be too sensitive about the dyno figures la, Hehehe.

 

[Veloc]

"General" guideline, bro. Not exact figures mar, haiyar.

Even atmospheric changes could cause you a few Hp & not to mention different dyno machines giving different reading.

I've seen with my own 2 eyes, a Vtec gaining extra 10 whp due to cold air induction on the dyno, bro. So, my advise is not to be too sensitive about the dyno figures la, Hehehe.

Just CAI give a diff of 10 whp?!?! Serious? Then I think I should invest on one...

 

[2 Old 2 Rusty]

Just CAI give a diff of 10 whp?!?! Serious? Then I think I should invest on one...

I haven't tried it myself but that Vtec did. It was running on a standalone ECU & quite highly modded; produced over 200+ whp.

 

[normality78]

Rusty bro, so far, what car u ever "main" with? Vtec? Mivec?

 

[pcmoddingmy]

He eats vtec for bfast...mivec are like snacks for him :P

 

[n0th1n]

input from an owner of ae111 or even ae101 who did put 3sge or 3sgte is much appreciated. the topic is getting interesting now.
issit true the weight distribution issue is still there or just a myth?

veloc, some question:
injector u using which one? clutch set? gear box? metal gasket issit easily available?
t.q

 

[2 Old 2 Rusty]

Rusty bro, so far, what car u ever "main" with? Vtec? Mivec?

The usual lor, Vtec, Mivec .... but still the worst sore loser was the Altezza that threatened to beat me up after he lost !

He eats vtec for bfast...mivec are like snacks for him :P

where got so terror...

input from an owner of ae111 or even ae101 who did put 3sge or 3sgte is much appreciated. the topic is getting interesting now.
issit true the weight distribution issue is still there or just a myth?

veloc, some question:
injector u using which one? clutch set? gear box? metal gasket issit easily available?
t.q

Mine may not be an AE101/111 body but don't think it's so big difference & since I also have a BT & 3S in the same model, I could feel the weight difference. However, with the right suspension set up, I don't think it's a big issue in handling.

A fine example would be the MR2 which was suppose to have a very balanced weight distribution but in reality, it's handful to drive, especially in the wet when it becomes too tail happy.

 

[meg_omen]

input from an owner of ae111 or even ae101 who did put 3sge or 3sgte is much appreciated. the topic is getting interesting now.
issit true the weight distribution issue is still there or just a myth?

veloc, some question:
injector u using which one? clutch set? gear box? metal gasket issit easily available?
t.q

quite sometime didn't chat with you...
going for upgrade?

 

[j_l200s]

How about the gearbox? u guys using back the standard 3SGTE/3SGE or use GT4's gearbox and 'lock it' (like mitsu) for 3SGTE?

 

[Veloc]

veloc, some question:
injector u using which one? clutch set? gear box? metal gasket issit easily available?
t.q

Sorry bro. To be honest, I haven't done this. My engine is still stock 4AFE (malu I want to say here) in the midst of BEAMS discussion). Though I hope that I can do that in the future. Got some budget constraint now. But I have gotten these info from readings online. Injector can use GZE ones. Gearbox, from what I've read, 5 speed is better for turbo upgrade. And the metal gasket, available form HKS.

About the rods compatibility, I also read online. Can google. People ususally use GZE or SVT rods.

Sorry for the misunderstanding ya...

 

[turbo10]

Sorry bro. To be honest, I haven't done this. My engine is still stock 4AFE (malu I want to say here) in the midst of BEAMS discussion). Though I hope that I can do that in the future. Got some budget constraint now. But I have gotten these info from readings online. Injector can use GZE ones. Gearbox, from what I've read, 5 speed is better for turbo upgrade. And the metal gasket, available form HKS.

About the rods compatibility, I also read online. Can google. People ususally use GZE or SVT rods.

Sorry for the misunderstanding ya...

Do you mean using gze injectors for BT? if yes i dont think can be used because GZE injectors are top feed and BT are side feed. yellow top 1jzgte is similar with BT but 370cc..but we still need something to change the fuel character..if not fuel will banjir..

 

[n0th1n]

Mine may not be an AE101/111 body but don't think it's so big difference & since I also have a BT & 3S in the same model, I could feel the weight difference. However, with the right suspension set up, I don't think it's a big issue in handling.

A fine example would be the MR2 which was suppose to have a very balanced weight distribution but in reality, it's handful to drive, especially in the wet when it becomes too tail happy.

thanks for the reply. how much is the difference? can u tell us more? cause for example extra load of 10% make big impact on the car characteristic & load on the suspension itself (for me, cheapskate buy 2nd hand absorbers, dont want to change it toooo many times in one year) and sometimes test winding road & at the government's grade A tar there somewhere in salak tinggi.

quite sometime didn't chat with you...
going for upgrade?

eh, not so many activity nowadays. no $ so sit back hibernating at home lah. the car is downgrading now. but still maintain 1.6L. tak larat bayar road tax mahal2 la nak upgrade to more powerfull engine.... nak beli motor, takut!!!! hihihihih

 

[Veloc]

Do you mean using gze injectors for BT? if yes i dont think can be used because GZE injectors are top feed and BT are side feed. yellow top 1jzgte is similar with BT but 370cc..but we still need something to change the fuel character..if not fuel will banjir..

injectors i dono bro... I'm just suggesting... But the metal gasket, rods, can. I read it up. Fuel character, yes. Must piggyback lo... What I'm saying is, it's not impossible to turbo the BT. Because rods are available from SVT or GZE if don't wan to go for new. And then for low boost without wanting to change internals, HKS got metal gasket. Think the only thing that have to fabricate is turbo exhaust manifold lo...

 

[turbo10]

injectors i dono bro... I'm just suggesting... But the metal gasket, rods, can. I read it up. Fuel character, yes. Must piggyback lo... What I'm saying is, it's not impossible to turbo the BT. Because rods are available from SVT or GZE if don't wan to go for new. And then for low boost without wanting to change internals, HKS got metal gasket. Think the only thing that have to fabricate is turbo exhaust manifold lo...

no prob bro...were discussing

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86mm bore x 86mm stroke = high revving engine. sifoo yau your beams redline at what rpm?

 

[2 Old 2 Rusty]

thanks for the reply. how much is the difference? can u tell us more? cause for example extra load of 10% make big impact on the car characteristic & load on the suspension itself (for me, cheapskate buy 2nd hand absorbers, dont want to change it toooo many times in one year) and sometimes test winding road & at the government's grade A tar there somewhere in salak tinggi.

Honestly, I can't put in an exact figure coz the BT is with stock suspension but the 3S is using adjustables. The figure that I can provide is the weight of both cars:

1. 3S = 1230 kg
2. 4A = 1160 kg

So the 3S engine+gearbox alone probably heavier by about 50 kg qua...

When you drive them, you can feel that the 4A being lighter, is slightly more nimble but...that factor is easily offset by the 3S's torque.

Now you know why I have both the 4A & 3S ? Best of both worlds, what more could I ask for; the best & last of their models.

86mm bore x 86mm stroke = high revving engine. sifoo yau your beams redline at what rpm?

Di,

For now, if I remember correctly...is 7300 but I'm aiming for 8500 rpm 1 day when I can afford a better piggyback..coz as you can see from the dyno chart, the power is still going up when the rev cut...kacau, kacau...

You think can get 200 ps@wheel at 8500 rpm ?:hmmmm:

 

[turbo10]

from the dyno chart, at revcut the power graph still climbing strong, i think it's possible to get 200whp if you bump up your rev limit but maybe u still need the help of a more aggressive cam and tuning, but seems that target not that far, you got a good base already..IMHO bro..

 

[normality78]

Thinner head gasket and Kelford cam on the way? hehehehe

 

[turbo10]

woaah...seems someone going to hit 200whp++ soon..

 

[normality78]

I think i'll just sell off the gze halfcut and go for Beams