Adaptronic or Microtech for BT engine?

[Sil80-13]

Hi sifus,

Just wondering if my BT engine is stock, if I want to install standalone ECU, will it make any big difference in terms of power & HP?

Adaptronic & Microtech which one is better for BT engines?

 

[scottwrx]

standalone for standard engine wont bring any significant increase in performance.. u need a balance between performance parts and management to get the best out of your engine

there are few criteria to get higher output

1. healthy engine
2. intake
3. exhaust
4. electronics / ignition

i see that quite a number of ppl with standard engine using only trumpet and extractor/exhaust system already quite satisfying results. however it is a difficult path to choose.. either to go for electronic first or mechanical first..

for me i would try the piggy back plus mechanical upgrade.. then only consider about standalone.. there are few management in the market, f con v-pro, haltec, motec, adaptronic, freedom etc.... but the if i wanna install.. the first thing that comes in my mind is who will do the setting?
for example, one of my fren is using f-con v-pro.. and the only guy that is very good in southeast asia is from thailand, mr toon's student... forgot the name already... so for any minor upgrade or changes in engine.. retuning is required for best results.i doubt that you will have time n money to send for retune every time you change something right? so it is best if you can get your best mechanical upgrade ( extractor, trumpet, plug cable, o2 sensor, engine compression.... ) before goin for standalone... and make sure some one is there to tune the standalone for best results..

that is only my 2 cents.. other sifus plz voice out if i m wrong...

 

[TRD.AE92]

Hi sifus,

Just wondering if my BT engine is stock, if I want to install standalone ECU, will it make any big difference in terms of power & HP?

Adaptronic & Microtech which one is better for BT engines?

You won't get much from stock engine la... Totally waste money project only...
Unless you install high cam, 5AG system, use DLI firing system, turbo and etc about internal upgrade..... Then only time for using Stand alone ECU.

 

[scottwrx]

You won't get much from stock engine la... Totally waste money project only...
Unless you install high cam, 5AG system, use DLI firing system, turbo and etc about internal upgrade..... Then only time for using Stand alone ECU.

actually if mod only trumpet n exhaust system already can start to play piggyback.. have seen damn fast 20v also... can play with b16b... if no mod then dun waste money on standalone.. useless..

 

[TRD.AE92]

actually if mod only trumpet n exhaust system already can start to play piggyback.. have seen damn fast 20v also... can play with b16b... if no mod then dun waste money on standalone.. useless..

Enough of thinking to VS here and there la... B16B if with loaded mod, i think our BT won't able to smell his ass too...

BT stock (6 speed) VS B16B stock = Confirmed B16B win! Unless miss gear...

 

[scottwrx]

there are some "special" case bt laying around... only we dunno of... trust me.. i was lucky enough to know 2 of them.. juz they all are low profile only, too bad i was not there to witness..

no management, only trumpet n extractor + piping, semi racing clutch vs b16b of almost the same spec, play with 2 different cars, win some lose some, no cash..juz for fun.. hehehe.. next time must go n take videos liao..

 

[benjaminn78]

stock engine with Adaptronic....such a rich guy...n waste money....heheh...i saw u open so many threat...but modify car is step by step improvement...try to learn walk before run...just my cent..:)

 

[n0th1n]

eh, i have to disagree...
but u all said waste money etc2, u all tried ka?
toyota ecu, being conservative... maybe 90% potential. unlock 10% maybe 10-20 hp. u said not worth? try before u said anything and what ever u didnt try, dont say any speculations.

 

[benjaminn78]

2 years back...

i test standard bt - whp 120
Emanage - whp 125
standalone (forgot wat brand, but is standalone) - whp 130.

for me not worth it...just my cent.. :)

maybe nowday adaptronic more advance...can gain 15hp for standard??

 

[tigger5251]

Standalone can:

- Safely increase rev and more peakpower (need dynotune)
- More stable and higher torque powerband
- No speed limit
- Map A/F and ignition to optimum

Its not the increase of 10hp-15hp importance, its the engine respond and stability which is alot better than using piggyback.

But the main power still comes from a well build engine with performance aftermarket parts. Displacement, airflow of the engine block and the valve lifts are on of the crucial parts.

Do not expect plonk in a standalone n hoping for huge gains, it dont works that way.

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anyway, BT still 1600cc lar.....so small displacement, how to kill B16C ? @.@

 

[benjaminn78]

is true standalone able to gain the engine respond and stability....but increase of hp also very important....cos u spend so much of money....but end up with little hp gain....u know the feeling is damn down....i got this kind of feeling b4...hahhaa....

 

[tigger5251]

is true standalone able to gain the engine respond and stability....but increase of hp also very important....cos u spend so much of money....but end up with little hp gain....u know the feeling is damn down....i got this kind of feeling b4...hahhaa....

me too.....haha

 

[anuar_fadzli]

for me just try if u wan. keep it if u satisfied with it and sold cheap cheap in u think not worth to used it. hehehehe

 

[TRD.AE92]

I do test before... The result didn't impress me alot...
But, respond is improved... Sadly the FC also turn high too...


My past result...
SC12 + 4AGZE (stock) + Oversize pulley + Stock ECU = 148 WHP
SC12 + 4AGZE (stock) + Oversize Pulley + Haltec E6X = 156 WHP
SC14 + 4AGZE (stock) + Oversize Pulley + stock ECU = 167 WHP
SC14 + 4AGZE (stock) + Oversize Pulley + Haltec E6X = 175 WHP
SC14 + 4AGZE (Aftermarket Piston 81.5mm + BC Rod + 272 high cam in ex ) + Oversize Pulley + Stock ECU = 175 WHP
SC14 + 4AGZE (Aftermarket Piston 81.5mm + BC Rod + 272 high cam in ex) + Oversize Pulley + Haltec E6X = 193 WHP


Note: my result is base on boost 0.9 bar

 

[pcmoddingmy]

I think going for standalone should be one of the final upgrade decision once the engine has been fully done up (cams,piston,etc). For starters, I think piggyback should be well suited (judging by the price and performance). For eg, Emanage can increase about 10hp on wheel while standalone can do 15-20hp (depending on setup), I think price wise piggyback is more acceptable. But still, some will argue that Emanage is useless (no offence).

Besides, tuning a standalone for daily drive is not easy as most tuners do race tuning only. Running with a/c and all other equipments on standalone takes more tuning time and if not properly done, your daily ride will cause you a lot of headache. Car manufacturers spent years developing the ECU which involves many variables, different conditions, loads, temperatures, humidity, fuel and etc.

I think its best if you go ask the tuners directly, check to see if their standalone can guarantee your expected HP gain. A good tuner should be able to tell you the pros, cons and expected gain as per your engine's spec.