4g93t vs 4g92 MIVEC

[karl5511]

Yes, but still americans build up BOT on Vtec...

 

[karem]

Yes, but still americans build up BOT on Vtec...

not to mention they have different culture of vehicle there....mostly are V6, V8 or 2.0 liters... high CC ler
So BOT will help with the adrenalin hihi

 

[deacon]

Americans like going in mostly straight lines. The handling of their vtec equipped cars suffer under turbo stress. But drag racing is one of their staple diets of the race variety. Fun Fun!

 

[karl5511]

Can say 90% customize...

 

[jinkl]

in US , eg, ek all are dirt cheap , like buying junk car in malaysia
can believe it, USD 500 they get a EG ? , but u must see ,
they spend alot on engine , darton sleeves , dart blocks , etc ,
they use forge pistons , billet conrods . etc ,

we ? errr , rojak rojak rojak , hehe, pomp :) a vtec turbo hehe,
wht to do , for them the price in USD is considered affordable, we
convert to RM , we getting freekick right on the balls

 

[iz282]

Thanks for the comments... Hahahaa...

 

[deacon]

what the hell, if you are going to solicit on this thread trying resizing the pictures you ass. especially on thread that's not related to what you're selling.

 

[m@ttz]

wtf u selling here?? if u desperate enuf, put it on front page newspaper la..

 

[Alok]

if prefer n/a. 4g93 is better..

 

[Wajafly]

Basically, this is a good topic. But please don't compare power for Turbo and NA. Different kampung we say...

I got only 1 comment on petrol. If we want more power, prepare to sacrifice on this issue. What's the point driving a GSR if we don't boost it to save petrol? Then pratically it is similar to a 4G93 NA...

Most things Deacon has said it well.

I have done lots of MIVECs and myself drive a mivec on a heavy Waja. Talking about mods... it is not really worth modding a NA compared to Turbo. The HP increase in NA is very minimal and expensive. Moreover, Mivec being a 1.6 in standard form, loses out in the displacement issue.

Handling wise, generally everyone knows how difficult it is to corner with a turbo. Of course, some are really good drivers here. But surely you must admit NA able to take corner much more better with downshifting high RPM biting the corners.

Well... sad to say. I am one of the many MIVECS who will be going to turbo soon. For me... I love the high torque and G. I hate MIVEC sound. I prefer BOV. And... MIVEC parts is difficult to source. Think twice.

I never regret putting in a MIVEC. Just that, I love more power. To me, life is short and we need to experience everything. Why go for Turbo when you haven't even drive a 50HP extra with Mivec? We need to learn from bottom..

Just my 2 cents...

 

[Northiswara]

wo........ good point there bro.
NA power is limited comparing to turbo.
is it true that mivec spare parts hard to find? and how is the price for the mivec spare parts? expensive?

 

[Wajafly]

Hi bro.

Yes. Very difficult to source especially the head, wiring, ecu, solenoid, oil pump, crankshaft, TPS and other things. Although some parts like clutch pump can be bought at spare part shop, a lot other things can't...

For example, solenoid itself if got people sell will be RM300. Just a small piece of metal. And the complete head could cost RM1000 to RM1200. Expensive...

That's why I have planned to go for VR4 terbalik (specially modded) and rebuild the internals. I just target 240whp and my main objective is just for it to last long without problems like overheating and knocking. The G which Mivec lacks, is my biggest aim.

 

[Northiswara]

oic so u meant mivec dont have enough torque to stick u to the seat lar.
turbo will always satisfy ur desire towards higher G.
last time i test drive 3sgte stock engine on MR2(199X year car). got stuck to the seat canot move during acceleration.

 

[SAO 6418]

FR is hard to drive and hard to corner ? Not true. It depends on the driver. I have drove A31 and 180sx and 200sx. Even an auntie can corner with it.

Nobody ask u to simply step into any FR and floor it around the corner, ofcoz u loose grip by doing to a car u r not familar with.

Anyway, if u got a proton with 400bhp VR4, can u beat a 200sx 250bhp ? The problem is does the proton has the 50/50 STABILITY as the 200sx ?

Not to condem GSR/VR4 players here, but these 2 engine is too old to compete with honda or nissan nowadays.

Unless u throw 30k to mod the GSR/VR4, where hence a simple B16C-BOT or a SR20DET could take u by no means of effort.

Everyone wif a valid driving liciense can take a corner wif any car rite.. question is how fast n how hard???

400hp VR4 vs 250hp S13 in sepang, i'll vote VR4.. I know wat u mean here but have to depend on circuit also... FF layout is more easier to control n safer especially 4 beginner who learn to go fast, FR is more on intermediate, small mistake can lead to danger especially raining (happen to me once, 360 turn. damn scare) hehe... FF have the limitation, front to drive n steer meanwhile FR is front to steer n rear to drive. Try 400hp FF vs 400hp FR. then different story liao...

GSR/VR4 too old!!! hmmm...B16A & SR20Det is also from 1989 onward woh whereby VR4 is around 1991 & GSR is more newer. Correct me if i'm wrong.

Actually, muz compare apple to apple. NA vs FI juz a different catagories. Personally if u like the mechanise feel or engine screming or downshift at high rpm then take NA. If u like sudden trust power, big power gain & high g force then turbo loh..

Also canot compare wif the modification cost ratio between NA & FI. Of cause 4 those turbo lover will said, wif tat kind of $$$ mod in NA if in turbo my car can go veli fast woh... Turbo & NA have their own fun... (I own SR20DET & also vtec but I more prefer NA).

The statement saying all proton cars are useless.. Actually the putra, gti & tiang gold wira is a good car. If not mistaken the body is oledi stiffen wif extra metal plate (stock) & these car quite similar wif those mitsubishi one... Do not under estimate these cars. Put the comparision like tis (stock)... 4dr EG B16A vs Wira 1.6 Mivec vs 4dr corolla 4age 20v BT.. Do u think any of tis can out run each other 3~4 tiang...

I think u dislike proton juz bcoz of package, power, status & glamour like wat u mention..

 

[deacon]

What it really boils down to here, is having a healthy respect for different types of cars. It's easy to sit there behind the computer and run your fingers over the keyboard to express your "internet" based knowledge compared with real world. *Shrug* no one is perfect, best to be humble unless you are damn cock sure.

 

[Northiswara]

Actually, muz compare apple to apple. NA vs FI juz a different catagories. Personally if u like the mechanise feel or engine screming or downshift at high rpm then take NA. If u like sudden trust power, big power gain & high g force then turbo loh..

Also canot compare wif the modification cost ratio between NA & FI. Of cause 4 those turbo lover will said, wif tat kind of $$$ mod in NA if in turbo my car can go veli fast woh... Turbo & NA have their own fun... (I own SR20DET & also vtec but I more prefer NA).

The statement saying all proton cars are useless.. Actually the putra, gti & tiang gold wira is a good car. If not mistaken the body is oledi stiffen wif extra metal plate (stock) & these car quite similar wif those mitsubishi one... Do not under estimate these cars. Put the comparision like tis (stock)... 4dr EG B16A vs Wira 1.6 Mivec vs 4dr corolla 4age 20v BT.. Do u think any of tis can out run each other 3~4 tiang...

I think u dislike proton juz bcoz of package, power, status & glamour like wat u mention..

agree with u bro SAO. have to compare among the same class.

NA and FI engine has different kind of midification so cost is of cozs different a lot. in NA u wont have intercooler, BOV, boost controller, turbo.

yes i heard putra, GTI chasis are strong can withstand 280bhp.

 

[Wajafly]

Hi every sifu here.

What if Mivec 4G92 Turbo vs. 4G93T?

Although a 1.6 vs. a 1.8... I think they are quite equal. Correct me if wrong... TQ.

 

[aja]

Hi every sifu here.

What if Mivec 4G92 Turbo vs. 4G93T?

Although a 1.6 vs. a 1.8... I think they are quite equal. Correct me if wrong... TQ.

As we know that B16a could easily makan stock and mild modded 4G93T and the stock Mivec CK power output almost equal to stock B16A on dyno-run, therefore i suppose certain level of modified Mivec CK would able to makan 4G93T lor!. Of course, if turbo mivec turbocharged, no problem at all!

Just my opinion

 

[SoYouThinkYouCanDrive]

Take it to the track is even worst, the honda with B16A can fully control the car, while the modded 4G93T will be facing torque steer n understeer.....

How can u compare 4G93T with a engineered B16A ?

Its like taking a frankenstien VS a professional.

 

[deacon]

And here he comes again. What the hell does B16A fully control the car mean? Like the B16A can drive the car for you?

4G93T understeer and torquesteer? Stock 4G93Ts don't understeer if driven correctly. Even lightly modded ones don't understeer driven precisely.

B16A in what car vs a 4G93T in what car?

Stop making baseless judgments.

And BTW some Mivec CKs are crap. Same with some 1st gen Mivecs. Its more about the condition of the engine at the halfcut shop, that's where you'll find your missing horse power.

SoYouThinkYouCanDrive,

Only fools return to make the same mistakes. Bring more credible arguments to the table rather than your paltry, "oh honda is better than my mother" arguments. It shows your immaturity, especially where cars are concerned. Because it is clearly evident to readers of this thread that you are a n00b.