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[razaksa]

Rakzaksa,

wow...supercharging your CamPro... .hmm...you are well ahead of me.....I plan to do that too...but with proper dyno endurance test...but....It would be great to see your supercharged CamPro....

for the time being...I'm researching on turbo CamPro....should be ready by end of next month...

I'm in Shah Alam....so JB is quite far...but there will be a MRC round 5 in JB this 21st august...maybe we can meet up there....just find the Gen-2 and you'll find me.

I'm currently using a special Siemens VDO Ecu.....got a full time experts working on it....but yeah...I heard good things about O-bit....would love to buy one and get my calibration engineer work on it. How much do you think it cost? The O bit piggy back...

I think it's possible to achieve 200 nm on flywheel with forced induction...but you need a forged crankshaft my friend if you want it to last longer.

I know that you can use a 4G1 pulley if you want to put the supercharger. The block of CamPro should be the same with 4G1 block....you know...I gotta check this with my manager..he knows a lot about Mitsu engines..

Man...to get 160 bhp at 6000 rpm...you need 190 nm torque! and yet you want 200 nm at 2500 rpm....man...that will be tough man.....flat torque from 2500 to 6000 rpm....hmm....that will be awesome :rolleyes: please tell me if you can achieve it.

and yeah man....maybe at Rally Round 5, I just bring the extractor.

hard tuned

wish u all the best with campro turbo. keep me posted....if u interested to supercharge ur gen2 have a look at the following link http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=4389
think Draeger Racing is looking for a gen2 test car.

Btw are you using forged internals for your turbo project? You know how I can get hold of forged crankshaft, pistons and conrod?

Obit cost 2kRM including installation and tuning. for more info www.obitasia.com

4g1 series same as campro? do let me know?

Nice to meet fellow G2 performance enthusiast bro....send me an email at
[email protected] then we can exchange numbers.

Look forward to meet you at the JB rally..yeah bring along the extractors...I'm quite tempted

Btw can you provide me with the G2 ecu wiring diagram.

Do you work for RallyX? or are you one of the rally driver?

 

[ethanphoon592]

Hi Hard Tuned,

i`m more interested in the recalibrated ECU, can we retune our standard ones? does this place provide this kind of services? anyway mine posting some pics of the engine bay, just want to see whether you still use the original air box configuration. Thanks!

 

[Hard Tuned]

Razaksa....sorry wrong info on the cylinder block.....not the same to 4G1...but according to my boss, the cranktrain from 4G18 can be carry over to CamPro....but you will lose 10 cc displacement....

I'm sorry I cannot share the ECU wiring diagram....it's confidential. :mellow:

The airbox is totally different...basically we use HKS filters...the air box is is used to separate the element from hot air. The element was proven on superflow machine to give a very low pressure drop about...247 cfm at 12 cm of water.

No, you cannot reflash the production ECU, only Siemens VDO German engineers can do it. The one that we use is a special one, and quite expensive. That's why I want to learn more on O-bits or MOTEC...which one is better?

I donno how to upload pics....got a lot of em. :p

 

[alexz]

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[mie77]

Hard Tuned...
Bro,I'm currently on a HotBits 4-2-1 extractor like razaksa's system,K&N Drop-In,HB xtrac,stock piping+mid-box+muffler but am now interested wit the stainless 4-2-1 ones like u mentioned,so izzit available to order ka?
And also,can I know wats the type/brand of mid-box/bullet n muffler can be used wit that extractor?Incl the cost..?cos I'm plannin+searchin to "upgrade" my G2 exhaust sys...Thanks Bro!

 

[ethanphoon592]

Hard tuned,

So what you are saying you have completely ditch the stock air box setup and when for the HKS powerflow is it? because i`m currently like everyone else here using a k&n drop in, for experimentation purposes i`ve tried using an open pod k&n with a 4 inch staintless steel pipe just for a quick change over and it prove to be excellent on the throttle, somehow the acceleration on the low end was better but because its located right where the original air box was located it was sucking in a lot of hot air during slow traffic conditions and it was bogging down everytime, so i`ve use back my ori box with the drop in filter but i`m very sceptical with the ori box design, it doesn`t look as though a lot of air can flow through it, is this true? based on your cfm experimentations?
2ndly my question is, the campro engine has the potential to get about the hp that you`ve mention here is it, but its because we are limited by our stock ecu settings we are not able to get near your hp figure right? anyway does the car that you guys use here experience any knocking? Thanks..

 

[Hard Tuned]

Hard tuned,

So what you are saying you have completely ditch the stock air box setup and when for the HKS powerflow is it? because i`m currently like everyone else here using a k&n drop in, for experimentation purposes i`ve tried using an open pod k&n with a 4 inch staintless steel pipe just for a quick change over and it prove to be excellent on the throttle, somehow the acceleration on the low end was better but because its located right where the original air box was located it was sucking in a lot of hot air during slow traffic conditions and it was bogging down everytime, so i`ve use back my ori box with the drop in filter but i`m very sceptical with the ori box design, it doesn`t look as though a lot of air can flow through it, is this true? based on your cfm experimentations?
2ndly my question is, the campro engine has the potential to get about the hp that you`ve mention here is it, but its because we are limited by our stock ecu settings we are not able to get near your hp figure right? anyway does the car that you guys use here experience any knocking? Thanks..

Yes, I completely ditched the ori airbox. The airbox was designed purely for NVH and filtering reasons.....the airflow is not that good. I have the data but I don't think you guys would be interested....a good air cleaner system can make a different by 4-6 bhp....that's pretty good....Did you notice in a Gen 2 there's two different kind of snorkels? Snorkel is the opening of the intake system. If I was not mistaken, the first batch of Gen 2 was equipped with a huge mouth snorkel...very bad for NVH....but very low pressure drop, by up to 1.0 kPa...that one is not bad if you use a drop in K&N filter..but if u use the small mouth snorkel which is currently on Gen-2...you are wasting ur money on the drop in K&N element (no offense K&N)....plus near the throttle body, there's this huge plastic box...that one is purely for equal air distribution throughout the throttle body. :)

So, you better use a K&N or HKS or even Simota...that you can buy at Brothers for RM 136 for cone or mushroom type air cleaner...but isolate em with air box..and put aluminium foil to reflect radiated heat...for snorkel or air duct...you should take the air away from the radiator...nake sure the air box is humongous...I'm in the process of finalizing my intake design for Rally-X...with full data and fully superflowed. :cool:

I am also finalizing a new exhaust extractor design....this one will have 3 variants..one 4-1, another one 4-2-1, and the last one 4-1 with catalytic converter...for those greenpeace lovers....need to sort out the simulation again...so that it is fully tuned for the engine. Once I finish it...than I will get it made with Stainless steel....then I can offer it...this one you can just plug it to CamPro without changing the mid and real tailpipe....but if you want to change it no problem too. ;)

Yes ethanpoon...you can always increase your specific output of CamPro..to get high horses...just shift your max torque to high rpm....but for me...I love max torque....but you need to work on ECU to reduce knocking....you want your precious engine to work longer...my friend is really good with Siemens VDO ECu...but it not reflashable....the one that I have is a special one and very expensive and not salable. I am now working to get a reflashable ECU from Siemens if it is possible coz I don't want to waste my friend skills on retuning ECU..he's really good at upping and shifting the torque curves and controlling knock...basically he make the air-fuel mixture richer so that the fuel will cool down the combustion chamber...also he's very good at retarding and advancing the ignition timing and other stuffs that I don't understand.

okay guys...see ya soon..anymore questions? :D

 

[Emanage]

Yes, I completely ditched the ori airbox. The airbox was designed purely for NVH and filtering reasons.....the airflow is not that good. I have the data but I don't think you guys would be interested....a good air cleaner system can make a different by 4-6 bhp....that's pretty good....Did you notice in a Gen 2 there's two different kind of snorkels? Snorkel is the opening of the intake system. If I was not mistaken, the first batch of Gen 2 was equipped with a huge mouth snorkel...very bad for NVH....but very low pressure drop, by up to 1.0 kPa...that one is not bad if you use a drop in K&N filter..but if u use the small mouth snorkel which is currently on Gen-2...you are wasting ur money on the drop in K&N element (no offense K&N)....plus near the throttle body, there's this huge plastic box...that one is purely for equal air distribution throughout the throttle body. :)

So, you better use a K&N or HKS or even Simota...that you can buy at Brothers for RM 136 for cone or mushroom type air cleaner...but isolate em with air box..and put aluminium foil to reflect radiated heat...for snorkel or air duct...you should take the air away from the radiator...nake sure the air box is humongous...I'm in the process of finalizing my intake design for Rally-X...with full data and fully superflowed. :cool:

I am also finalizing a new exhaust extractor design....this one will have 3 variants..one 4-1, another one 4-2-1, and the last one 4-1 with catalytic converter...for those greenpeace lovers....need to sort out the simulation again...so that it is fully tuned for the engine. Once I finish it...than I will get it made with Stainless steel....then I can offer it...this one you can just plug it to CamPro without changing the mid and real tailpipe....but if you want to change it no problem too. ;)

Yes ethanpoon...you can always increase your specific output of CamPro..to get high horses...just shift your max torque to high rpm....but for me...I love max torque....but you need to work on ECU to reduce knocking....you want your precious engine to work longer...my friend is really good with Siemens VDO ECu...but it not reflashable....the one that I have is a special one and very expensive and not salable. I am now working to get a reflashable ECU from Siemens if it is possible coz I don't want to waste my friend skills on retuning ECU..he's really good at upping and shifting the torque curves and controlling knock...basically he make the air-fuel mixture richer so that the fuel will cool down the combustion chamber...also he's very good at retarding and advancing the ignition timing and other stuffs that I don't understand.

okay guys...see ya soon..anymore questions? :D

Yeah .... My question to you thru personal mail . Have you read it ?
Hard tune , mind to join our gen 2 club community ? I sure that there is many gen 2 mod fans will throw you bounce of question .... Here is the address :- www.gen2club.com\forum

 

[ethanphoon592]

Hard Tuned,

Thanks for the facts, anyway i`m very interested with the upping of the torque curve, can you update me on this once you guys have completed the testing..Thanks man...

 

[manhunt]

hard tuned..

where is your shop in shah alam....?
i want to get the best from your 421 set-up for campro..

currently in kl..

thanks bro...

 

[SHAZtech]

ermmm this HARD TUNED is no novice in motorsport.All engineers man!! if you buy the extractor....it is well R&D and tested.It was design for their waja before if i'm not mistaken.Saw the extractor before.Congrats on your great success recently!! be looking forward to see ya'll next development!! watchout for Hamzah and the gang!!

 

[manhunt]

where r u guyz located at ... ?

 

[Hard Tuned]

Fuh..long holiday.....feel refreshed..the shop is actually new....but the part is available....designed and tested by us. The shop is located at Sungai Kandis off Jalan Kebun. Easier to reach by Kesas. But better if you email me via ZTH...then I can give u my phone number.

Since the shop is new...our products are still attached to our race and rally cars. But we have all the jigs made for the extractor.

for the time being we can offer you extractor and port and polished cylinder head. The porter has a huge experience in racing..more than 8 years...he pocketed himself success in MME and suchs. He can lighten and polish your intake valves, increase compression ratio, and polish your port...don't worry he's an expert with CamPro. ;)

To tell you the truth, we have lots of CamPro Performance Products in our pipeline, but we need to get it proven on track and in rally. I don't like selling things that I am not 100% convinced...but I am 100% convinced with my extractor and head since I have dyno data.

Actually the stainless steel extractor that I want to sell for 600 RM has been used on dyno, but only for 5-6 hours...tested for endurance and engine calibration. It is still new to my standard. If one wants a new one, I got to make it first...that's easy since I have the jig already.

Ealt, who are you? Are you my new engineer? I don't think so :D

 

[manhunt]

ok la like that, used to join mme also, but as small time mechanic
only laa....but my team won la..3rd placing class c..year 02 and 03.

 

[razaksa]

Fuh..long holiday.....feel refreshed..the shop is actually new....but the part is available....designed and tested by us. The shop is located at Sungai Kandis off Jalan Kebun. Easier to reach by Kesas. But better if you email me via ZTH...then I can give u my phone number.

Since the shop is new...our products are still attached to our race and rally cars. But we have all the jigs made for the extractor.

for the time being we can offer you extractor and port and polished cylinder head. The porter has a huge experience in racing..more than 8 years...he pocketed himself success in MME and suchs. He can lighten and polish your intake valves, increase compression ratio, and polish your port...don't worry he's an expert with CamPro. ;)

To tell you the truth, we have lots of CamPro Performance Products in our pipeline, but we need to get it proven on track and in rally. I don't like selling things that I am not 100% convinced...but I am 100% convinced with my extractor and head since I have dyno data.

Actually the stainless steel extractor that I want to sell for 600 RM has been used on dyno, but only for 5-6 hours...tested for endurance and engine calibration. It is still new to my standard. If one wants a new one, I got to make it first...that's easy since I have the jig already.

Ealt, who are you? Are you my new engineer? I don't think so :D

bro

how much for pnp campro cylinder head + lighten and lpolish valves? do you have any ready set for excahnge basis? How about reprofiled cams?

 

[wayne_kyo]

what is Crank Shaft Campro and i need to buy .

I wanna get 8 types of "crank shaft campro" . I wanna know what is that cause i just get the part number of it . Can reply me if anyone who know about that ?
I need to buy from u if u get the good price.
I hope to hear good sound from u all as fast as possible.

Further information of the type and size is as the following :

1. LAP/ PAPER ; RIKKEN ; C74 ; #400-18*50*50*50.8
FOR CRANK SHAFT CAMPRO TGM. BRAND RIKKEN KORODAN

2. LAP/ PAPER ; RIKKEN ; A64R; #400-18MM*50*50.10H
FOR CRANK SHAFT CAMPRO TGM. BRAND RIKKEN KORODAN

3. LAP/ PAPER ; RIKKEN ; C74 ; #600-18*50*50.8
FOR CRANK SHAFT CAMPRO TGM. BRAND RIKKEN KORODAN

4. LAP/ PAPER ; RIKKEN ; C74 ; #400-22*50*50.8
FOR CRANK SHAFT CAMPRO TGM. BRAND RIKKEN KORODAN

5. LAP/ PAPER ; RIKKEN ; A74R ; #400-22*50*50.9
FOR CRANK SHAFT CAMPRO TGM. BRAND RIKKEN KORODAN

6. LAP/ PAER ; RIKKEN ; C74 ; #600-22*50*50.8
FOR CRANK SHAFT CAMPRO TGM. BRAND RIKKEN KORODAN

7. LAP/ PAPER ; RIKKEN ; A74R ; #400-28*50*50.8
FOR CRANK SHAFT CAMPRO TGM. BRAND RIKKEN KORODAN

8. LAP/ PAPER ; RIKKEN ; A74R ; #400-40*50*50.8
FOR CRANK SHAFT CAMPRO TGM. BRAND RIKKEN KORODAN

Thank you for ur help.

 

[DeOngster]

great pics xarrax... show more k... good work

 

[manong]

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