imitation rims - are they really not reliable at all?

[shiroitenshi]

i dunnow for others....

but for me... if running camber setup at -2 or more yet the tyre makan inside only means not fast enuf in corner... :p


last time been running daily -2 camber front and -1.5 rear....all wear out equals...but since now running normal tyre at front..so i just kept the camber more conservative -1.5 front..-1 rear...plus now change office route including 40km highways....save the tyre a bit...



btw i'll give u another trick that could save your tyre a bit and should give a better handling with slight comfort feeling compared to your current setup.....

soften both your front and rear spring...1k or 2k step down....then counter with the thickest ARB u can get..... try it

yeah, but the speed you can carry into the turns with semis and hard springs is addicting haha.

well, perhaps I am still not pushing it hard enough on the corners too but since mostly highway driving, more straight than corners lol.

But yeah, I suppose 8kg is better, i should get around to changing it. My shocks did come with 2 sets of springs.

Just remembered something, i also recall that if you don't use a surge tank, you're not cornering fast enough? hahaha.

I honestly havent suffered fuel starve like that before, so i guess my cornering speed still needs more practice. ahaha


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[DeaconFrost]

I've ran anywhere from -0.7 to -1.7 camber but toe is 0.

 

[shiroitenshi]

I've ran anywhere from -0.7 to -1.7 camber but toe is 0.

with stock bushing, your toe is only 0deg when not moving, when accel or decel, sure got toe change.

I remember someone recommend set slight toe-out on my car (sub 1 deg) and the steering was quite nice afterwards. But that was rubber bush era. now polys also run zero toe also.

But I think front toe out only works for cars with powered front wheels, like fwd or 4wd.



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[DeaconFrost]

with stock bushing, your toe is only 0deg when not moving, when accel or decel, sure got toe change.

I remember someone recommend set slight toe-out on my car (sub 1 deg) and the steering was quite nice afterwards. But that was rubber bush era. now polys also run zero toe also.

But I think front toe out only works for cars with powered front wheels, like fwd or 4wd.

I'm still wondering why do car manufacturers use rubber.

Must be a secret to it. Or maybe the global natural rubber industry have some really sexy salesperson in their ranks.

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

yeah, but the speed you can carry into the turns with semis and hard springs is addicting haha.

well, perhaps I am still not pushing it hard enough on the corners too but since mostly highway driving, more straight than corners lol.

But yeah, I suppose 8kg is better, i should get around to changing it. My shocks did come with 2 sets of springs.

Just remembered something, i also recall that if you don't use a surge tank, you're not cornering fast enough? hahaha.

I honestly havent suffered fuel starve like that before, so i guess my cornering speed still needs more practice. ahaha


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on surge tank that depends on fuel load....if fulltank no matter how hard corner also didn't have fuel starve



regarding to rubber bushing...because rubber is a good vibration damper.....even heavy skyrise building and bridge also do have rubber damper (or called bearing pad)

 

[shiroitenshi]

I'm still wondering why do car manufacturers use rubber.

Must be a secret to it. Or maybe the global natural rubber industry have some really sexy salesperson in their ranks.

like pomen said, "nvh" issue: noise, vibration and harshness, I use superpro also nvh higher than normal but quite good actually, lucky not as bad as my friend on sphericals,


pomen gtr
well if you run full throttle, that full tank won't be full for long ahaha

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[^pomen_GTR^]

like pomen said, "nvh" issue: noise, vibration and harshness, I use superpro also nvh higher than normal but quite good actually, lucky not as bad as my friend on sphericals,


pomen gtr
well if you run full throttle, that full tank won't be full for long ahaha

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[vr2turbo]

I'm still wondering why do car manufacturers use rubber.

Must be a secret to it. Or maybe the global natural rubber industry have some really sexy salesperson in their ranks.

Cost! brother, the cheaper the better for them.....

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with stock bushing, your toe is only 0deg when not moving, when accel or decel, sure got toe change.

I remember someone recommend set slight toe-out on my car (sub 1 deg) and the steering was quite nice afterwards. But that was rubber bush era. now polys also run zero toe also.

But I think front toe out only works for cars with powered front wheels, like fwd or 4wd.

If negative camber should be toe in, if FWD. FWD is pull therefore will toe out on acceleration....
But of course many ways of setting

 

[6UE5t]

...

btw i'll give u another trick that could save your tyre a bit and should give a better handling with slight comfort feeling compared to your current setup.....

soften both your front and rear spring...1k or 2k step down....then counter with the thickest ARB u can get..... try it

Yeah, this is what I thought so too.

 

[DeaconFrost]

Cost! brother, the cheaper the better for them.....

Well most probably for car manufacturers, profit from sale of car is a one-off, but profit from selling rubber bushes and other rubber parts is repetitive.

Looks like this thread is officially derailed hahaha. Sorry TS.

 

[Izso]

This is highly entertaining. Seeing some of the most senior members discuss cars is always entertaining. And senior in both member and age!

 

[shiroitenshi]

Cost! brother, the cheaper the better for them.....

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If negative camber should be toe in, if FWD. FWD is pull therefore will toe out on acceleration....
But of course many ways of setting

fwd is toe in on accel. rwd is toe out on acceleration. pretty sure it was that.

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[vr2turbo]

fwd is toe in on accel. rwd is toe out on acceleration. pretty sure it was that.

You are right brother. Got it mixed up. Mixed up with negative camber compensate with toe in....

 

[shiroitenshi]

You are right brother. Got it mixed up. Mixed up with negative camber compensate with toe in....

yeah. increasing negative camber always creates toe out, so have to compensate with toe in. some people think they can simply lower their car without adjusting toe. if lower by a couple inches sure become negative camber and toe out.

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[PocketRocket]

I wanna ask this, What about those Rota knock offs that nowadays you see on a lot of cars? For example mine as well, So far there isn't any dents, leaks, or imbalance

 

[ixeo]

I wanna ask this, What about those Rota knock offs that nowadays you see on a lot of cars? For example mine as well, So far there isn't any dents, leaks, or imbalance

who made it?
any quality testing done?
no? then who can guarantee the manufacturing is up to par?
oh, it haven't fall apart? cool. maybe it won't fall apart, who knows?

using imitation rims (parts) is like having sex with no protection.
sure, wearing condom is not 100% safe. and you can argue without condom also you might not get STD or won't get some girl pregnant, sure, its valid.
So its your dick (in this case, your car), do what you like.

those saying even original rays engineering or SSR wheels also fall apart.. sure.. that's true.
you wear Okomoto 003 Made in Japan condom, you fuck at 10000rpm, the condom also tear lah.

 

[shiroitenshi]

I wanna ask this, What about those Rota knock offs that nowadays you see on a lot of cars? For example mine as well, So far there isn't any dents, leaks, or imbalance

then your tires aren't grippy enough to stress the wheels? /ahaha

Majority malaysians are using cheapie tires that in some countries are labelled budget tires, but due to the price tag, people think they are using premium tires. Then they say imitation rims are strong.

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[PocketRocket]

I don't know who the manufacturer is but its a Taiwan wheel, As to what i've been told but keeping an open mind that it could be made elsewhere too. Doubt there are any testing being carried by JWL or those testing bodies. The way these wheels are so widely found these days of mass manufacturing leans to locally made for quick production and delivery. However I'm a careful driver, will avoid uneven roads and pot holes at all costs, even anticipate the routes I'm going to take to avoid killing the tire prematurely like bulging, uneven tire wear and road debris damage.

I think the tire I'm using is not too bad for a daily, Champiro HPY responds pretty well on dry and surprisingly well in wet conditions for RM300 a pop 17 inches is quite a buy considering its grip but I don't gun down public roads recklessly. (That's a whole diff topic). Never stinge on tires.

 

[shiroitenshi]

I don't know who the manufacturer is but its a Taiwan wheel, As to what i've been told but keeping an open mind that it could be made elsewhere too. Doubt there are any testing being carried by JWL or those testing bodies. The way these wheels are so widely found these days of mass manufacturing leans to locally made for quick production and delivery. However I'm a careful driver, will avoid uneven roads and pot holes at all costs, even anticipate the routes I'm going to take to avoid killing the tire prematurely like bulging, uneven tire wear and road debris damage.

I think the tire I'm using is not too bad for a daily, Champiro HPY responds pretty well on dry and surprisingly well in wet conditions for RM300 a pop 17 inches is quite a buy considering its grip but I don't gun down public roads recklessly. (That's a whole diff topic). Never stinge on tires.

300 for 17".. er.... you mean there's even cheaper ones?

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[vr2turbo]

I don't know who the manufacturer is but its a Taiwan wheel, As to what i've been told but keeping an open mind that it could be made elsewhere too. Doubt there are any testing being carried by JWL or those testing bodies. The way these wheels are so widely found these days of mass manufacturing leans to locally made for quick production and delivery. However I'm a careful driver, will avoid uneven roads and pot holes at all costs, even anticipate the routes I'm going to take to avoid killing the tire prematurely like bulging, uneven tire wear and road debris damage.

I think the tire I'm using is not too bad for a daily, Champiro HPY responds pretty well on dry and surprisingly well in wet conditions for RM300 a pop 17 inches is quite a buy considering its grip but I don't gun down public roads recklessly. (That's a whole diff topic). Never stinge on tires.

Can't say much on the rims, but the tyres I have them also. Same size as yours on my turbo VR. What I can say value for money. Yes, can say they are in budget tyre category but I jump from my GY Asy2 that are premium tyre category and these tyres are not very far off in handling and traction for both dry and wet against them....