Civic EG vs Satria Gti

[SataniC]

i highly doubt u can get an EG for that price, whatmore an EK.

as surveyed, the price for a EG is very close to 40k. Be it transplanted/converted or original.

yeehau86: there's no such things as B20A! B20B got la, and with that i highly doubt it will sell for <30k. those are torque monsters!

emm...yes there is...B20A is a EFI 2.0L engine usually found on Accords...from 1989 till 1992...

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opps, maybe I remember it wrongly..B20B is considered big Vtec, right? that's why it has high torque

There's no such things as Small VTEC Big VTEC!! Thats just kedai potong wanna tipu you to sell engine

 

[aalto]

The price of an EG 2 door has really risen lately, in 2008 you could easily get one around 25K-30K....now its in the 35K region.....car getting older, no more loans but still the price shoot up....

WRM, if your on a tight budget i'd advise you not to rush into this, take your time in finding one thats in good condition & suitable to your budget. Don't spend all your money in getting the car, budget at least 1K-2K for maintenance afterwards .....old car for sure gonna have problems after you buy it....

And one more friendly advise, dont get over exited with highly modded cars.....for reliability usually a stock engine is the best...IMO, with your budget and concerns on FC & being a newbie, better stay away from 2.0L engines for now....find a B16A that as close to stock as possible...
...I met a lot of people that want a "super fast vtec" but dont want to change all the necessary parts coz dont have budget and like to lenjan the hell out of their cars.....when car breaks down, no money to repair...then begging at pomen to give discount & hutang....dont be like that man.....if no budget just remain stock!

 

[yeehau86]

emm...yes there is...B20A is a EFI 2.0L engine usually found on Accords...from 1989 till 1992...

so my memory was right

 

[SataniC]

not exactly...B20A is an Si engine...no VTEC...ur talking bou B20B...franken VTECHHHHhhh

 

[WRM]

And one more friendly advise, dont get over exited with highly modded cars.....for reliability usually a stock engine is the best...IMO, with your budget and concerns on FC & being a newbie, better stay away from 2.0L engines for now....find a B16A that as close to stock as possible...
...I met a lot of people that want a "super fast vtec" but dont want to change all the necessary parts coz dont have budget and like to lenjan the hell out of their cars.....when car breaks down, no money to repair...then begging at pomen to give discount & hutang....dont be like that man.....if no budget just remain stock!

Yup.thts a gud point there bro.noted.
1more thg,concerning about roadtax for 2.0+heard no subsidy later on..?

 

[freeman1314]

Freeman,do u mean tht b16a better thn b20?may i ask in wut aspect..
Yes camshaft i agree with U man,proton sure drop kaw2,thts y i m more to honda.
Anywy,can i get EK for 35k?

Nope thats not what i meant. B16A = high revving, B20= torque monster, but still hybrid 20B lack reliability and durability compared to B16A or any other b series so it isn't really recommended for starter. For TS, i personally would recommend getting stock car first, modded car you won't know how the previous owner take care of the car. Try get as stock as posible and mod yourself would be much more better.

And for the Big V and Small V, it's actually B16A1 and the later B16A, small V 160hp , big V 170hp. small V clutch cable, big V hydraulic clutch. These are the biggest difference I know. Prices also vary by alot.Big V much more expensive.

 

[AD_EG]

EJ is the local model of EK ...still can get around 30-36k ...96 model...no vtec...depends if its STOCK or got mod a bit like 99 body parts and all....if the one with single cam Vtec 1.6 normally AUTO unless converted manual.

bro 2.0L vtec cant compare to 1.8 4g93 la bro....2 very very different worlds.

Like most of the members advise...you better not start by playing 2.0 ...you got a lot of things to learn 1st....b16a also nice to play....even though its only 1.6 don under estimate the engine..still can play with a lot of other cars....and HONDA Resale VALUE ??? this is one thing you don have to doubt !!! price damn hard to go down....sometimes price go up...market very good for honda.

if you get b20 block + b16a head...and approve with JPJ then your road tax damn kow....but some ppl they don....this is a different story which i wish not to discuss in an public forum....

in short...since he giving you back 1.6 block...then its ok...but normally after a block swap..it is common to have sometimes minor and sometimes major problems like leaking and all....are you prepared to handle all that? why not just buy a EG with b16a inside?

 

[aja]

Buy newer GTI. Better in term of value and cheap maintenance. No head-ache etc. Chap Ayam parts a lot. Honda parts damn expensive. Not suitable for student pocket. GTi Better FC.

Somemore EG/EK consider besi buruk already.

Talking about fast, how fast u wanna go?. How fast Honda can go?. ...Drivr slowly. Gti more than enough.

BTW, is it Honda that good on topspeed arhh?.

You are student. so buy something that suit your pocket as a student. Don't listen to the rest. They are already working adult. Save more for your studies or buy something appreciating, not depreciating.

 

[ameng]

aja advise are very useful...another advise from aja..not me..just buy kancil to serve you from point A to point B during your studies, study hard & smart, get 1st class result then work with big company..save money then buy ori type R like AJA..hehehe...

 

[D-IV]

IMO both gti and eg is a nice car. Its a matter of preference and budget. Ofcourse, asking from a honda forum you'll definitely get people to ask you to get the eg hehe.

The B20b/B16a hybrid would not be such a bad idea and its not too big for you coz you'll adapt to it sooner or later. In fact, starting from scratch leads to more money to be spent anyway, so why not just hentam and get it in the first place hehe.

 

[AD_EG]

Buy newer GTI. Better in term of value and cheap maintenance. No head-ache etc. Chap Ayam parts a lot. Honda parts damn expensive. Not suitable for student pocket. GTi Better FC.

Somemore EG/EK consider besi buruk already.

Talking about fast, how fast u wanna go?. How fast Honda can go?. ...Drivr slowly. Gti more than enough.

BTW, is it Honda that good on topspeed arhh?.

You are student. so buy something that suit your pocket as a student. Don't listen to the rest. They are already working adult. Save more for your studies or buy something appreciating, not depreciating.

Chap ayam parts worth the money? in the long run?

Somemore EG/EK consider besi buruk already. = You sure you know what you talking about? i dont wanna say anything to piss proton owners,after they think i'm flaming...but you seriously gotta get your facts right bro.


something appreciating, not depreciating. - better go survey 1st bro and see honda civics value now(14 years ago also can) and compare proton cars value now after 5 years onwards.

 

[camshaft]

hmm...if you go buy a modified EG...you would save a lot of money considering most of b series parts are expensive...you already have a modified engine...no need to spend time...money...energy....headache on which part are better etc...just maintain it...and touch up a bit the parts that you dont like...but the maintenance gonna be a little bit high compare to stock...(just a little bit)...go for b16a first bro...you can mod all the parts and leave the block alone...one day..when all has been done...and still not enough power...just upgrade to higher cc...simple as that...

but if you wanna start for stock...also can...but be ready for the $$$ it will cost....surely more higher than buying a modified one...but the experience selecting the parts yourself n the right recipe for your car is more satisfying...(if the result if good lah)...

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aja..
i've been using my EK for 4 years already...from the day i buy that car...up until now...the price is still the same (some are higher)...and people still keep buying them...so think bout it...which manufacture is more besi buruk, honda or the thundercat badge car....

 

[aja]

Chap ayam parts worth the money? in the long run?

Somemore EG/EK consider besi buruk already. = You sure you know what you talking about? i dont wanna say anything to piss proton owners,after they think i'm flaming...but you seriously gotta get your facts right bro.


something appreciating, not depreciating. - better go survey 1st bro and see honda civics value now(14 years ago also can) and compare proton cars value now after 5 years onwards.

How fast Honda can go? - Below is a EG8 b18c on dyno...its on 4th gear.How fast you think it can go? this is only lightly modded...ecu rev cut removed,piggyback,I/H/E...cams set for drag...not for top speed.

YouTube- XH Racing..EG8 b18C Dyno1

YouTube- XH Racing..EG8 b18C Dyno2

hehehehe. That a good thing about Honda owner in ZTH. Very2 DEFENSIVE!!

 

[Kevin Lee]

honda civic hatches are always good commodity

especially there is no competitor in that segment, for cheap cheerful hothatches.

ive owned a b18c2 integra dc2 before and a mitsubishi lancer CK 1.8 4g93sohc before (similar engine to the gti)

though the lancer has better torque range, the honda is a better free revving horsepower machine. i sold the lancer right after i test drove the integra. the integra has insane handling and pickup. it was just that good, comparing itsself to a similar class of car, coupe vs sedan

if anything, civics will not depreciate. it is a known fast FF hatchback car. if you want to be different and go for the turbo approach, there is always the evo 3, 180sx, s13 silvia and perhaps rx-7 FC. sometimes you could pick up a r32 gts-t at that price.

what is your real budget? the real amoutn you are willing to spend and also the real money ur willing to dump. if anything, a honda's high revving engine is unmatched by any other make. be it vvti or mivec, it will not give you the pleasure of a honda. hope this helps, decide wisely on what you want to spend. im doing up my honda, though 45 years old now, but i gotta love the high revving engine

 

[WRM]

You are student. so buy something that suit your pocket as a student. Don't listen to the rest. They are already working adult. Save more for your studies or buy something appreciating, not depreciating.

That is reali gud point n stuck in my head now bro!hehe..
yes i bliv thts my big concern,thts y im opting for a Honda wic does nt deprciate like a proton.like AD_EG n camshaft said.

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aja advise are very useful...another advise from aja..not me..just buy kancil to serve you from point A to point B during your studies, study hard & smart, get 1st class result then work with big company..save money then buy ori type R like AJA..hehehe...

Ameng i shudnt b sayin this,but kancil is juz a mistake.it shudnt b on the road.Possibility of dying after crash is too high..Its like letting a mouse run under 1000 elephants in a confined place.

 

[AD_EG]

hehehehe. That a good thing about Honda owner in ZTH. Very2 DEFENSIVE!!

bro,

i was not being defensive at all...

i think my post was extremely polite...

this is a forum,and ppl expect to read TRUE or CORRECT info so that ppl dont get misguided..

if i was being defensive,i wouldn't have posted facts,i would have posted something immature and which can possibly start a flaming session.This is a forum,where ppl learn...so i believe with my post you have learned something new(hopefully)

even if this wasn't a honda topic, if it was a nissan,mitsu,proton or any other...i would have still posted the same thing,provided i had the facts....that's all....Good day bro aja...

 

[WRM]

hmm...if you go buy a modified EG...you would save a lot of money considering most of b series parts are expensive...you already have a modified engine...no need to spend time...money...energy....headache on which part are better etc...just maintain it...and touch up a bit the parts that you dont like...but the maintenance gonna be a little bit high compare to stock...(just a little bit)...go for b16a first bro...you can mod all the parts and leave the block alone...one day..when all has been done...and still not enough power...just upgrade to higher cc...simple as that...

I guess its best for me to buy a stock/modified b16a vtec and maintain it.FC muz b ok plus get the perfomance i nid.Kev,the THING is im NOT into these turbo/modding kaw2. Juz looking for a comfortable car tht has ample perfomance to get from point A to B with sum excitement..
Anywy THANKS guys, u all are very helpful..im gettin a picture of what i need now.

 

[freeman1314]

Just FYI, b16a stock FC, RM70(ron 97= RM 2.050l) can go up to 400km(seldom but vtec got scream) , if everyday high rev like nobody's business one also got bout 320km. Consider nt bad d.

 

[camshaft]

I guess its best for me to buy a stock/modified b16a vtec and maintain it.FC muz b ok plus get the perfomance i nid.Kev,the THING is im NOT into these turbo/modding kaw2. Juz looking for a comfortable car tht has ample perfomance to get from point A to B with sum excitement..
Anywy THANKS guys, u all are very helpful..im gettin a picture of what i need now.

so..b16a is enough i guess...can get a lot of fun with that high revving engine...8000RPM all the way~ happy driving

 

[AD_EG]

so..b16a is enough i guess...can get a lot of fun with that high revving engine...8000rpm all the way~ happy driving

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