What's the main difference between Evo 9 and X?

[A4XRBJ1]

Besides the price obviously and as a lot of people are telling, the weight disadvantage for the X.

Can anybody eloborate on that? What is Mitsu officially telling us (their customers)?

Should I go for Evo X or Evo 9 if money is not the restricting part but performance wise?

Andreas

 

[T3d]

Hello:wavey:
Base on what i know from the net.EvoX have upgraded their interior better than the previous version evos .It didn't increase their horsepower like subaru x did.Maybe that is the problem that cause weight on it.EvoX come with auto(sst) and manual transmission.Right now it cost expensive too.

E9 interior look more like old school.Not much digital functions or buttons.Transmission :Manual only.

Sifu out there,correct me if i had the wrong info ^^.

 

[cyilaw]

E9 got the wagon version come with AUTO.

 

[ehdrian]

i still think that the evo9 looks much much better than the X physically..evo X kinda turn off, somemore it look almost the same as the lancer GT..

 

[stutzedward]

EvoX looks so much like Lancer GT that at times, I have to peep into the cabin for the bucket seats to confirm other than the intercooler in front. However, EvoX looks great and agreed, E9 is kinda old school.

 

[A4XRBJ1]

Ok, more factors beside the already named ones:

- new developed engine
- SAVC, first time all systems are controlled by one master system
- turning front lights, light where you want to turn to
- stiffer body structure
- stock setup allows oversteer rather than the usual understeer (not sure vs Evo 9 here)


Andreas

 

[Stormvolution 9]

The main diff btw the 2 version is the MIVEC system!!! We all know MIVEC tech came into Evo on its 9th edition!!! It was a big test for Mitsu to do so when it 1stly launch!!! There were lotsa questions being asked by many car enthusiasts as in how turbo tech wil b combining nicely with Mitsu very own MIVEC knowledge!!!

We all knew, from d market there were lotsa car lovers been converting their MIVEC engine with turbos power for many yrs... But there were still lotsa restriction unsolved or unable to b solved from many locals mech....

But In E9, Mitsu did it!!! Of cos except its cibai lousy titanium fin turbo failure for the 1st batch of the launch!!! Pls pardon me, as I'm damn pissed with it cos mine is 'KONG' off~ With the MIVEC system, E9 do hv better low end torque and better responses whenever u step on the gas pedal as compare to all other previous models (of cos in stock form I'm refering)!!! Anyone of u can try top hv a ride on yr fren's E9 to experience it!!!

But this MIVEC Turbo tech is onli 'Half' done in the E9!!! Cos Mitsu onli invent the MIVEC cam on E9 intake side!!! So, there is onli 1 MIVEC cam in E9 not 2!!! So whenever we, the E9 owners wanna to upgrade our cams, we hv got to look for cams tht r specially made for E9's... Unless we decided to dismantle the MIVEC system, then we can share the after market cams with Mitsu other version of Evo's....

But in Evo X, now the MIVEC system come in full package!!! Both Intake and exhaust side r using MIVEC tech!!!! So Mitsu claimed the Evo X can produce even higher low end torque even for the heavier body weight, Evo X stil manage sub 5sec 0-100m sprint!!!

Frankly, myself hv yet to try on any of the Evo X!!! But from reports, its a very very good car to b driven on the road!!!! Besides the MIVEC engine, its hving a all new S-AWD or smtg in order to improve the oredi outstanding car handling while driving fast n cornering!!!

Andreas,

If u hv got no budget constrain, I think its wiser for u to wait a little while longer for the Evo X MR version rumours to b out soon... It will b another improved version on the existing model!!! Cheerz mate!!! Hope my little knowledge do help ya~~~ Hv a nice day everyone!!!! ^.^

 

[T3d]

Haha alot of my friend miss understood GTlancer is Evolancer X :rolleyes:.I told them isn't a evolancer, they feel dissapointed lol!Both look almost similar but evo X have twin exhuast , holes on hood and interior.:hmmmm:

 

[B18C-R]

Andreas, nice meeting you. I think what Andy (Stormvolution9) mentioned is true, if you can wait and have no budget constraint, why not wait for the X MR ?

But then again, if you are going to heavily modify the to say stage 2-3 as we discussed during TT yesterday, then the dual mivec cams system won't help much to achieve anything above 400hp. That will be more of pure after market setup, from the cams, turbos to internals, fuel system & ECU nothing can stay stock so MR or otherwise, doesn't matter anymore hence don't waste the money and the wait. ; )

Andy you uncle, make sure you join the next TT and share your e9 experience with Andreas !

 

[A4XRBJ1]

Andreas, nice meeting you. I think what Andy (Stormvolution9) mentioned is true, if you can wait and have no budget constraint, why not wait for the X MR ?

But then again, if you are going to heavily modify the to say stage 2-3 as we discussed during TT yesterday, then the dual mivec cams system won't help much to achieve anything above 400hp. That will be more of pure after market setup, from the cams, turbos to internals, fuel system & ECU nothing can stay stock so MR or otherwise, doesn't matter anymore hence don't waste the money and the wait. ; )

Well, no budget constraint is maybe not right, there's always a limit, otherwise I'd be in the Lamborghini Forum posting now http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/images/smilies/gtnsmilies/rofl.gif

Like I said yesterday (BTW, nice TT), I'll start by optimizing the flow of the engine first, that means from intake to outlet and plan to flash the ECU on a dyno accordingly.

We'll see how much we're gonna see from there, how lean we get and how much I have to handle maybe detonation (still think about installing Water Injection on top for safety reasons).

But first things first, I need a car because I'm so sick & tired of sitting in that shitty old Perdana. Either my driver can't handle gas & brake or it's the car, I'm getting almost sick when he drives and the gearbox isn't helping much on top of it.

We'll see, Orion was telling me they get 5 new SST Evo X in end of August, with the right color :-)


CU,

Andreas

 

[mizunori77]

imho, ecu reflash is quite pricey. why not go for a power fc or something similar first? once you go for a standalone, you can still sell your power fc :)

 

[jameswwt]

The main diff btw the 2 version is the MIVEC system!!! We all know MIVEC tech came into Evo on its 9th edition!!! It was a big test for Mitsu to do so when it 1stly launch!!! There were lotsa questions being asked by many car enthusiasts as in how turbo tech wil b combining nicely with Mitsu very own MIVEC knowledge!!!

We all knew, from d market there were lotsa car lovers been converting their MIVEC engine with turbos power for many yrs... But there were still lotsa restriction unsolved or unable to b solved from many locals mech....

But In E9, Mitsu did it!!! Of cos except its cibai lousy titanium fin turbo failure for the 1st batch of the launch!!! Pls pardon me, as I'm damn pissed with it cos mine is 'KONG' off~ With the MIVEC system, E9 do hv better low end torque and better responses whenever u step on the gas pedal as compare to all other previous models (of cos in stock form I'm refering)!!! Anyone of u can try top hv a ride on yr fren's E9 to experience it!!!

But this MIVEC Turbo tech is onli 'Half' done in the E9!!! Cos Mitsu onli invent the MIVEC cam on E9 intake side!!! So, there is onli 1 MIVEC cam in E9 not 2!!! So whenever we, the E9 owners wanna to upgrade our cams, we hv got to look for cams tht r specially made for E9's... Unless we decided to dismantle the MIVEC system, then we can share the after market cams with Mitsu other version of Evo's....

But in Evo X, now the MIVEC system come in full package!!! Both Intake and exhaust side r using MIVEC tech!!!! So Mitsu claimed the Evo X can produce even higher low end torque even for the heavier body weight, Evo X stil manage sub 5sec 0-100m sprint!!!

Frankly, myself hv yet to try on any of the Evo X!!! But from reports, its a very very good car to b driven on the road!!!! Besides the MIVEC engine, its hving a all new S-AWD or smtg in order to improve the oredi outstanding car handling while driving fast n cornering!!!

Andreas,

If u hv got no budget constrain, I think its wiser for u to wait a little while longer for the Evo X MR version rumours to b out soon... It will b another improved version on the existing model!!! Cheerz mate!!! Hope my little knowledge do help ya~~~ Hv a nice day everyone!!!! ^.^

Wow...seems the "Cibai Lousy Turbo" will soon transform to a GT3++ ah...hehe
Maybe might get a turbo as big as Pamela Anderson lol...Who knows wat's in our Lang cai mind...hehe

 

[A4XRBJ1]

imho, ecu reflash is quite pricey. why not go for a power fc or something similar first? once you go for a standalone, you can still sell your power fc :)

I was looking at Evoscan to flash the ECU, still waiting for confirmation from their side that it works reflashing the Evo X too, Philip.

It only costs you a wideband meter, some street tuning and finally some dyno tuning with an experienced tuner. That's all.

Why should I invest into something half-hearted, to through it away later on. I did this way on my S2000, my learning is go big right in the first instance and forget about all those other minor changes that will never make you happy.


But with the recent events on Evo carjacking, I'm very worried about driving around town with an Evo.

Anyway, will test drive the new Jaguar XF today, let's see how a bit of luxury is to drive :-)


Andreas

 

[ehdrian]

mizunori77: how much is ecu reflash?

 

[zenom]

the main difference ?
the looks. haha ;p

i dunno. i hate evo x looks .
well evo 9 pulak , i think 7 out of 10 evo9 i believe is evo7 converted to evo9
well if u have no budget limit
go for evoX la. more expensive. n its still rare thou . feels more exclusive .

 

[Stormvolution 9]

Errr... I disagreed tht when u aiming for 400-500hp, u hv to dismantled the MIVEC system for tht... Hahaha... I'm sure some of u must hv heard abt the HKS V Cams system!!! This V Cams system (both intake and exhuast cams) r specially design for Evos tht r not equiped with the MIVEC system in order for them to get the similar low end torque power as did in MIVEC turbo Evos, even if they r aiming for high hp for their cars.... HKS even develop this system for other cars too, eg. GTRs, Z33, Scooby and many others... This cams hv got higher lifts and degrees for various set up....

And of cos, HKS do hv records to prove (dyno charts on various type of cars tht r using the V Cams system to gain higher hp but oso maintaining the low end pull force)... There were comparison charts for cars going with n without the V Cams... And d diff r obvious!!!

In d market now, there r oredi lotsa after mkt parts for Evo X!!! Strokers, turbos, ECUs, suspensions, bodykits, rims n etc... U name it, they hv it... What i love most from the Evo X is the 2 Recaro seats!!! Hahaha... They r NICE n comfy!!!

Andreas,

Sorry tht i didnt make it to the last TT!!! Hahaha... As Ben hv said, I'm an uncle now!!! Hahaha... Hardly 'able' to hangout late!!! But I'm sure we will b able to meet up soon!!! Cheerz!!! If u do need any info as in E9, i'll try my best to answer u ya~

Oh ya, how high hp u r aiming at 'If' u r going for the Evo X?! Cos 5 speeder manual will hv better potential than the SST tranny!!! If I'm not wrong, the SST tranny will 'onli' b able to stand up to ard 400hp... It will b an expensive item to repair or replace, if it really gives problems or give way due to higher hp from yr set up!!! But i know tht HKS is gonna come out with some sort of after mkt tuning package for the SST Evo X...

But i dun think it will b a big problem, as the same case oso apply to Nissan latest KING of the road - GTR35... Ppl jus add a bigger old pan, a gearbox oil cooler, higher quality gear oil (all WILLALL racing products) and then most importantly they 're-tune' d gearbox system too - especially d Launch control... I think sooner or later, they will hv the similar products for the Evo X SST box too... Will keep u n everyone on update on this...

James,

Ooi... No Pamela Anderson la... Onli Tavia Yeung nia~~~ LOLzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

 

[jameswwt]

Errr... I disagreed tht when u aiming for 400-500hp, u hv to dismantled the MIVEC system for tht... Hahaha... I'm sure some of u must hv heard abt the HKS V Cams system!!! This V Cams system (both intake and exhuast cams) r specially design for Evos tht r not equiped with the MIVEC system in order for them to get the similar low end torque power as did in MIVEC turbo Evos, even if they r aiming for high hp for their cars.... HKS even develop this system for other cars too, eg. GTRs, Z33, Scooby and many others... This cams hv got higher lifts and degrees for various set up....

And of cos, HKS do hv records to prove (dyno charts on various type of cars tht r using the V Cams system to gain higher hp but oso maintaining the low end pull force)... There were comparison charts for cars going with n without the V Cams... And d diff r obvious!!!

In d market now, there r oredi lotsa after mkt parts for Evo X!!! Strokers, turbos, ECUs, suspensions, bodykits, rims n etc... U name it, they hv it... What i love most from the Evo X is the 2 Recaro seats!!! Hahaha... They r NICE n comfy!!!

Andreas,

Sorry tht i didnt make it to the last TT!!! Hahaha... As Ben hv said, I'm an uncle now!!! Hahaha... Hardly 'able' to hangout late!!! But I'm sure we will b able to meet up soon!!! Cheerz!!! If u do need any info as in E9, i'll try my best to answer u ya~

Oh ya, how high hp u r aiming at 'If' u r going for the Evo X?! Cos 5 speeder manual will hv better potential than the SST tranny!!! If I'm not wrong, the SST tranny will 'onli' b able to stand up to ard 400hp... It will b an expensive item to repair or replace, if it really gives problems or give way due to higher hp from yr set up!!! But i know tht HKS is gonna come out with some sort of after mkt tuning package for the SST Evo X...

But i dun think it will b a big problem, as the same case oso apply to Nissan latest KING of the road - GTR35... Ppl jus add a bigger old pan, a gearbox oil cooler, higher quality gear oil (all WILLALL racing products) and then most importantly they 're-tune' d gearbox system too - especially d Launch control... I think sooner or later, they will hv the similar products for the Evo X SST box too... Will keep u n everyone on update on this...

James,

Ooi... No Pamela Anderson la... Onli Tavia Yeung nia~~~ LOLzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Haiyoh...this wat i called The Awaken of Evo 9 Sifu...Great sharing and pls ah...Let me pegang pegang a bit yr Tavia Yeung Turbo ya...Sure get bigger 1 after pegang...

 

[?nDc?s?ve]

imho..

raw 4g63t VS refined 4b11t(twin scroll turbo sys)

cast iron block VS aluminum block

1/2 mivec VS full mivec (not much of a concern for me)

acd,ayc VS S-AWC(improved ayc,acd,asc, and s-abs)

fierce and unique outlook (but still can be confused with waja haha) VS confused lancer gt (can be worked on with $$)

hp potentials - evo x makes huge power gains with minimal mods + reflash but 4g63t is still the record holder ;) but give it time perhaps?

lots of performance/aesthetic parts available VS in the works..

cheap plastic interior VS more conti feeling.. agree with s9 on the seats :)

sad ice VS Rockford Fosgate + soundproofing woot!

6mt VS sst (not your everyday auto tranny but known to only withhold > 400whp) but it will be easy on your left leg ;) not sure if the stick shift is coming.. as for the mr version i guess, the money u save can compensate on its short comings easily and u may even save a few bucks afterthat..

lasty and most importantly..

> 200k(recond) vs +/- 300k? :) and u can make your e9 fly with that xtra cash :p

 

[mizunori77]

mizunori77: how much is ecu reflash?

if i'm not mistaken, a reflash for evo 8 is around rm 2k. this is why i'm saving up for a power fc. evo x reflash will be more expensive.

 

[Creat1ve]

Besides the price obviously and as a lot of people are telling, the weight disadvantage for the X.

Can anybody eloborate on that? What is Mitsu officially telling us (their customers)?

Should I go for Evo X or Evo 9 if money is not the restricting part but performance wise?

Andreas

Everyone missed out this very important point.
Evo9, you can import, buy from importer, mod it up with many used parts available in the forum, tune it up with many ECU choices, many spare parts available too, build to as high as 1000hp with upgrade turbos.

For EvoX, before even think of possibility, MUST BUY FROM Distributor!!!!!!
That CANBUS system is really a big biog big headache!
Without correct diagnostic tool, big problem if you start R&D on this car.

Unlike old Evo, Evo9 got examples to following from as old as Evo4!
EvoX got no previous examples to follow.
Everything is guessing and R&D!
Sure got problem one la.