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tkk what engine u using now? for me i think 250hp onwheel is letter for me hehe...... i wan to make it to 400hp :o can or not??? <_< and dont know how much have to spend.... :(
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make your car to 400whp i think you have to change bigger turbo first. TD05H i dun think can make the power for you.
get a management n bigger turbo like TD0625G n Wastegate. i believe can make it for your target man...
all is depends on what you needs. if you wan power for drag or you wan power for resposive then you cant use too large turbo. normall ppl are saying "no lag no power"
all the best to you.
make your car to 400whp i think you have to change bigger turbo first. TD05H i dun think can make the power for you. [/quote] TD05H cannot support 400hp??? i tot even TD04 cAN go up to 350hp not to forget other mods.... TD05H should be 400hp-able rite??? :) |
Antonio ! :lol: :lol:
Stage 1 mods estimated 300hp :
Step 1
Intake Pipe and Filter
A performance intake filter will help throttle response and help all future mods achieve maximum performance. A hard intake pipe will also improve air flow over the factory piece.
Step 2
Aftermarket Boost Gauge
The stock boost gauge is simply not accurate. To avoid severe engine damage when increasing boost levels, an aftermarket unit is mandatory.
Step 3
Boost Controller
In order to raise boost levels, you'll need a boost controller. Whether it be a manual or electronic unit will depend on your budget.
Step 4
Cat-back Exhaust System
A 2.5" or 3", high flow exhaust system is needed to gain more power. The factory exhuast is very restrictive and hurts power
Step 5
High Flow Downpipe
The factory downpipe is very restrictive and should be replaced with a larger, better flowing unit. For Stage 1, a 2.5" downpipe will do. If future plans involve 500+ horsepower, consider a 3" downpipe.
Step 6
Exhaust Manifold
The exhaust manifold on 1G DSMs are notorious for cracking and leaking. The solution is to replace it with a ported factory 95-99 exhaust manifold. If you're planning on going with a full Garrett turbo, you'll need a special manifold.
Step 7
O2 Sensor Housing
The downpipe bolts up to a 90 degree elbow called the O2 Sensor Housing. This is the last restriction in the exhaust system. The stock unit can be ported out, or you can simply buy a better flowing unit.
Step 8
Fuel Pump
The stock fuel pump will not be able to supply the needed fuel for long - especially if the boost level is raised. A high flow unit will be needed. It's also a good idea to re-wire the fuel pump for consistent fuel pressure
Step 9
Intercooler Piping
The rubber intercooler piping should be replaced with better flowing solid pipes. Some replacements will come with a larger throttle body elbow (which is needed also). The turbo outlet elbow should be swapped out for a larger unit as well. Please note that if a Stage 2 setup is in the plans, this upgrade may not be necessary as the intercooler piping will likely be routed differently.
Step 10
Performance Clutch
With more power on tap, the stock clutch probably won't last that long. It will start to slip, especially in the higher gears. This means it's time for a high performance clutch.
Please Note: 1G automatic transmission cars have a smaller stock turbo (the Mitsubishi 13G) than the 5-speed cars and will require a turbo upgrade in order to achieve Stage 1 performance levels.
Stage 2 estimated 400hp :
Step 1
Logging Software
Before you can safely begin making fuel adjustments, you'll need to know what's going on inside the engine. Logging software will give you this data and will help you decide what fuel delivery changes are needed, how much change is needed, and at what RPM point. Though datalogging is mainly for tuning, it's also a critical tool to prevent major engine damage as well.
Step 2
Warning Meters
Along with a datalogging solution, you'll want some gauges to help monitor the engine. While dataloggers allow you to analyze data after doing some test runs, guages are easier to read while driving. An EGT (exhaust gas temperature) gauge and probe will allow you to monitor the exhaust temperature exiting the engine. Extremely high temps generally translate into a lean condition and can be catastrophic. You can also go with a Wideband O2 system that will allow you to monitor the air/fuel ration of your car while driving. This will tell you exactly how rich or how lean the car is running, allowing you to adjust the fuel curve
Step 3
Fuel Controller/Engine Management
In order to control the flow of fuel of the larger injectors, you'll need some form of a fuel management system. This can be achieved by a piggy-back style computer which still uses the factory MAS, or using a stand alone fuel system which replaces the MAS. This will be the key component in your system. If you choose the piggy-back route, we also suggest that you look into upgrading to an EPROM ECU if your car isn't equipped with one. This allows you to get an aftermarket EPROM chip that can be programmed to work with the fuel modifications you have done.
Step 4
Fuel Injector Upgrade
To supply the amount of fuel necessary for Stage 2, the stock fuel injectors will need to be replaced with higher flowing units. The larger the turbo you plan on upgrading to, the larger the injectors you'll likely need.
Step 5
http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/images/agp-l2r.jpg
Turbo Upgrade
At this point, the stock 14b turbo is running at it's max. In order to increase boost, a larger turbo is necessary. You'll need something larger than a 16G or 18G in order to achieve power levels above the 375hp mark. A Mitsubishi 20G, a Mitsu-Garrett hybrid, or a full Garrett setup will be needed for higher horsepower levels. Keep in mind however, that any non-Mitsu turbo will require a special exhaust manifold, external wastegate and O2 sensor housing.
Once you've completed these mods, and only then will you have enough knowledge of how these cars handle power to go further. You should now know how tricky the art of tuning can be, and you're likely well versed in spending money on parts and repairs. It is possible to get over 600 horsepower out of the 4G63 engine, but it will require some digging into the motor to add some high performance internals. Be prepared to spend some big money.
Try to keep in mind that many repairs will need to be made when you start making these power levels due to the simple fact that things tend to break. Plan for it, especially if your car has high mileage.
Info Taken From DSM Tuners
Stage 1 mods estimated 300hp :
Step 1
Intake Pipe and Filter
A performance intake filter will help throttle response and help all future mods achieve maximum performance. A hard intake pipe will also improve air flow over the factory piece.
Step 2
Aftermarket Boost Gauge
The stock boost gauge is simply not accurate. To avoid severe engine damage when increasing boost levels, an aftermarket unit is mandatory.
Step 3
Boost Controller
In order to raise boost levels, you'll need a boost controller. Whether it be a manual or electronic unit will depend on your budget.
Step 4
Cat-back Exhaust System
A 2.5" or 3", high flow exhaust system is needed to gain more power. The factory exhuast is very restrictive and hurts power
Step 5
High Flow Downpipe
The factory downpipe is very restrictive and should be replaced with a larger, better flowing unit. For Stage 1, a 2.5" downpipe will do. If future plans involve 500+ horsepower, consider a 3" downpipe.
Step 6
Exhaust Manifold
The exhaust manifold on 1G DSMs are notorious for cracking and leaking. The solution is to replace it with a ported factory 95-99 exhaust manifold. If you're planning on going with a full Garrett turbo, you'll need a special manifold.
Step 7
O2 Sensor Housing
The downpipe bolts up to a 90 degree elbow called the O2 Sensor Housing. This is the last restriction in the exhaust system. The stock unit can be ported out, or you can simply buy a better flowing unit.
Step 8
Fuel Pump
The stock fuel pump will not be able to supply the needed fuel for long - especially if the boost level is raised. A high flow unit will be needed. It's also a good idea to re-wire the fuel pump for consistent fuel pressure
Step 9
Intercooler Piping
The rubber intercooler piping should be replaced with better flowing solid pipes. Some replacements will come with a larger throttle body elbow (which is needed also). The turbo outlet elbow should be swapped out for a larger unit as well. Please note that if a Stage 2 setup is in the plans, this upgrade may not be necessary as the intercooler piping will likely be routed differently.
Step 10
Performance Clutch
With more power on tap, the stock clutch probably won't last that long. It will start to slip, especially in the higher gears. This means it's time for a high performance clutch.
Please Note: 1G automatic transmission cars have a smaller stock turbo (the Mitsubishi 13G) than the 5-speed cars and will require a turbo upgrade in order to achieve Stage 1 performance levels.
Stage 2 estimated 400hp :
Step 1
Logging Software
Before you can safely begin making fuel adjustments, you'll need to know what's going on inside the engine. Logging software will give you this data and will help you decide what fuel delivery changes are needed, how much change is needed, and at what RPM point. Though datalogging is mainly for tuning, it's also a critical tool to prevent major engine damage as well.
Step 2
Warning Meters
Along with a datalogging solution, you'll want some gauges to help monitor the engine. While dataloggers allow you to analyze data after doing some test runs, guages are easier to read while driving. An EGT (exhaust gas temperature) gauge and probe will allow you to monitor the exhaust temperature exiting the engine. Extremely high temps generally translate into a lean condition and can be catastrophic. You can also go with a Wideband O2 system that will allow you to monitor the air/fuel ration of your car while driving. This will tell you exactly how rich or how lean the car is running, allowing you to adjust the fuel curve
Step 3
Fuel Controller/Engine Management
In order to control the flow of fuel of the larger injectors, you'll need some form of a fuel management system. This can be achieved by a piggy-back style computer which still uses the factory MAS, or using a stand alone fuel system which replaces the MAS. This will be the key component in your system. If you choose the piggy-back route, we also suggest that you look into upgrading to an EPROM ECU if your car isn't equipped with one. This allows you to get an aftermarket EPROM chip that can be programmed to work with the fuel modifications you have done.
Step 4
Fuel Injector Upgrade
To supply the amount of fuel necessary for Stage 2, the stock fuel injectors will need to be replaced with higher flowing units. The larger the turbo you plan on upgrading to, the larger the injectors you'll likely need.
Step 5
http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/images/agp-l2r.jpg
Turbo Upgrade
At this point, the stock 14b turbo is running at it's max. In order to increase boost, a larger turbo is necessary. You'll need something larger than a 16G or 18G in order to achieve power levels above the 375hp mark. A Mitsubishi 20G, a Mitsu-Garrett hybrid, or a full Garrett setup will be needed for higher horsepower levels. Keep in mind however, that any non-Mitsu turbo will require a special exhaust manifold, external wastegate and O2 sensor housing.
Once you've completed these mods, and only then will you have enough knowledge of how these cars handle power to go further. You should now know how tricky the art of tuning can be, and you're likely well versed in spending money on parts and repairs. It is possible to get over 600 horsepower out of the 4G63 engine, but it will require some digging into the motor to add some high performance internals. Be prepared to spend some big money.
Try to keep in mind that many repairs will need to be made when you start making these power levels due to the simple fact that things tend to break. Plan for it, especially if your car has high mileage.
Info Taken From DSM Tuners
erk!...kenot ahh???
like i said b4 "not to forget other mods".....like injectors aledi 700cc,stainless steel i/c piping,AFC got,fuel regulator,plugs,plug cabel,i/c as big evo4 standard,exhaust 3" aledi....and sum PNP
but what happends when we raised up the boost lets just say 1.8 bar on a TD04???
issit over its working/efficiency/condition ???
:huh:
like i said b4 "not to forget other mods".....like injectors aledi 700cc,stainless steel i/c piping,AFC got,fuel regulator,plugs,plug cabel,i/c as big evo4 standard,exhaust 3" aledi....and sum PNP
but what happends when we raised up the boost lets just say 1.8 bar on a TD04???
issit over its working/efficiency/condition ???
:huh:
lots of people back there had tried it before , using the same mods what dmstuners had mention , so they came up with conclusion that 16g is good up to 375hp .
owh...i c...
ok drop the 04 we go to TD05 16G big....
but happend if turbo being boost high like ex 1.8bar for 05 16G or whatever turbo????
ok drop the 04 we go to TD05 16G big....
but happend if turbo being boost high like ex 1.8bar for 05 16G or whatever turbo????
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TD05H cannot support 400hp??? i tot even TD04 cAN go up to 350hp not to forget other mods.... TD05H should be 400hp-able rite??? :) [/quote] if you wan to compare to TD05H to maximum 20G is about 350whp running 1.5bar above atleast... i dun think TD04 can go so much WHP?anywhere maybe moder for engine to make it max... |
?????
u mean if TDO5H 20G is only 350whp running at 1.5 at least??
TD04 u mean cannot go or issit a combination of powerfull engine with juz lil help from TD04????
ahhhh confius²
u mean if TDO5H 20G is only 350whp running at 1.5 at least??
TD04 u mean cannot go or issit a combination of powerfull engine with juz lil help from TD04????
ahhhh confius²
make your car to 400whp i think you have to change bigger turbo first. TD05H i dun think can make the power for you. get a management n bigger turbo like TD0625G n Wastegate. i believe can make it for your target man... all is depends on what you needs. if you wan power for drag or you wan power for resposive then you cant use too large turbo. normall ppl are saying "no lag no power" all the best to you. [/quote] thx, but i just think only la... hehe.. :) but i'm just 2wd not 4wd so may not be too crazy... but if can i really wan to try it... :) anyway, thx for ur info |
TD05H cannot support 400hp??? i tot even TD04 cAN go up to 350hp not to forget other mods.... TD05H should be 400hp-able rite??? :) [/quote] i also dont know can or not? |
thx alot vestax for ur info.... :) but dont know it cost how much if i follow the step.... :)
hihihiih...yeah issit...owh well sorry such a dumb question...but i tot i read sumwhere dunno if its garret catalogue or webbie or book or what i oso cannot remember lar...it stated that the TD04 (forget to check which wan la L,HO,R,T,S,H,E or what ever.and dunno whether 10,12,13,14,15,16,18/b,c,d,h,g,G, lar behind) but it got what looks like a graph the look like 3D but wireframes only lar...stated can boost untill how much i dun recall lar but quite high oso....1. sumthin² lar....
so the conclusion is every turbo has it limitation...like TD05 for instance,like standard VR4 200 it peaks at 0.7bar...so if i to raise the boost pressure lets say 1.2-1.5bar....the turbo will be like revving engine above the PS (peak power speed)????so how much is usually the efficiency is good b4 starting to be bad or worst or nothing happends or what so ever????
so the conclusion is every turbo has it limitation...like TD05 for instance,like standard VR4 200 it peaks at 0.7bar...so if i to raise the boost pressure lets say 1.2-1.5bar....the turbo will be like revving engine above the PS (peak power speed)????so how much is usually the efficiency is good b4 starting to be bad or worst or nothing happends or what so ever????
it will cost like normal sunway' ians ppl lar play cars.....ask daddy sign the cheque or go bank in the just cucuk from ATM.... :lol:
nama pun performance part maaaaaaaaa....of course it will be a boomm... :D
well there are other type of mods such as "the pokok cheery wan"...if u combine technology and "pokok cheery" ur car can be fast oso what..... :D
it will cost like normal sunway' ians ppl lar play cars.....ask daddy sign the cheque or go bank in the just cucuk from ATM.... :lol: nama pun performance part maaaaaaaaa....of course it will be a boomm... :D well there are other type of mods such as "the pokok cheery wan"...if u combine technology and "pokok cheery" ur car can be fast oso what..... :D [/b][/quote] can mah??? why need to ask daddy ar? pay my own also can mah... :) but not today la... i think more 10 years maybe can liao... :) |
owh...i c now...
so the turbine plays role on determine the max boost pressure that is going to be produced....hmmmmm...ok ok...understand aledi...
:lol:
if no need ask daddy,can ask suga daddy oso,or sugar mummy oso...biasa lah kl maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.......heheheheh...
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