Suspension and Handling

crazzy

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Dear all the GTi sifu-sifu sekalian,

I'm currently using a suzuki swift 4 door '89 model converted to G13B.

I'm quite happy with my ride EXCEPT.. for the suspension and handling system.

May I know what is the most suitable suspension/absorbers that is suited for the car?

and how may I have better handling? Currently the car doesn't feel as stable as other LOCAL cars (lets not compare with import models) that i have driven (e.g: Satria GTi, Wira, Waja
Hope to hear your comments soon.

Regards,
Alan
 
crazzy said:
Dear all the GTi sifu-sifu sekalian,

I'm currently using a suzuki swift 4 door '89 model converted to G13B.

I'm quite happy with my ride EXCEPT.. for the suspension and handling system.

May I know what is the most suitable suspension/absorbers that is suited for the car?

and how may I have better handling? Currently the car doesn't feel as stable as other LOCAL cars (lets not compare with import models) that i have driven (e.g: Satria GTi, Wira, Waja
Hope to hear your comments soon.

Regards,
Alan

Hi alan,
first of all, you must know the suspension link use at each car you mention.GTi was born in 80's and that time, independent arm is the best setting.till now you will find the GTi with harder spring and absorber will produce tremendoes cornering ability (2 doors). what make this to happened? look at the AE86 rear drive? perfet with the engine!! but with big turbo, you'll be always oversteer.
OK..back to the question, GTi handling is suit for competition. they are not design for comfort.better handling? YES but with harder damping. you must realise this and take it as it's genuine GTi.compare to Honda 90's the suspension is improve bcoz of independent Link suspension..this have improve the unprung weight.but handling, still the same...you must have the harder suspension setup.
like WAJA,KIA and newest car.they are very comfort in low speed but in high speed, the APM absorber in WAJA-V6 Perdana is really stuck.
OK..straight to the point: you must ensure your 4 suspension arm is in good condition and your steering mechanism in good shape.
. for gti, use Koni adjustable with Eibach spring. koni must be at 1/2 firm. BUT this is for road use handling. competition, set koni to 3/4.
another option: adjustable hotbits set. very nice for competition but road use, you must set the damping to the softest.
Suzukisport also nice with suzukisport thick spring. use for competition.
don't use chop/press spring coz your car bodyroll will be worst.
Tyre/wheel should use 40 offset. the wheel should be nice at the fender. use light wheels and just 15" better..14" wheels with 195/50 tyre also good.
if you're cornering maniac, i suggest you change your front sway bar to cultus size and install additional rear sway bar (Note: 2 doors already have this)..each time you enter corner, the 4 tyre are always grip well.
LSD?? also recommended but hard to get. Std cultus are already 30% LSD.
if you got chance, replace all your arm bushing with polypropylene type. you can get it from Rospen Aussie..
FACT: best handling-comfort = porche / supercar
best handling-worst comfort = rallys car
average handling - average comfort = sedan
so which one do you prefer...you can get all you need but Bigger BUCKS!
 
WOW! Many thanks ABV.

Hmm, Koni & Eibach springs sounds interesting. I don't really mind having hard absorbers, but would it be too hard for the mounting to handle? Knowing that roads in Subang/Sunway are always full of bumps, roadworks, holes, etc. sigh.

BTW, so sorry for the delay of collecting the manual. I might go down KL this weekend, will give you a call if I do ok? Well, even better, I'll be at Cyberjaya tonight. Give me a sms/call if you don't mind meeting there. Else, we wait till this weekend if it's alright. Thousand apologies.
 
no prob to the mounting. My bro using ohlin and make it 20% more hard (re-condition)
cornering?? yamyyyy
 
crazzy said:
WOW! Many thanks ABV.

Hmm, Koni & Eibach springs sounds interesting. I don't really mind having hard absorbers, but would it be too hard for the mounting to handle? Knowing that roads in Subang/Sunway are always full of bumps, roadworks, holes, etc. sigh.

BTW, so sorry for the delay of collecting the manual. I might go down KL this weekend, will give you a call if I do ok? Well, even better, I'll be at Cyberjaya tonight. Give me a sms/call if you don't mind meeting there. Else, we wait till this weekend if it's alright. Thousand apologies.

oppss, actually the front mounting must use GTi..so far, i didn't have any problem. rear? no problem at all coz it mount at body.
beforre go any further, you must nkow why the car shake a lot..you must understand the sprung and unsprung weight.
sprung weight is determine the car damping when it absorb bumps.
unsprung is the weight after absorber: like arm, wheels and tyre.
when set to firm position, it effect the sprung weight. BUT for Gti, the unsprung weight is not very good unless you have new bushing and really light wheels: 3kg magnesium wheels?? this is the different between 80's and 90's car...and credit should give to waja due to very good control link.
i'd try everything for gti to get comfort driving but fail. but improve a bit when changing to 14" light wheels.

if you like KONI & EIBACH set, go to selegie road spore.one of the shop sold Koni at SGD400 and eibach at around SGD250. the price is differ depends on your bagain. notice that at Spore, there hav a lousy price where the just play-play with outsider..then, you must install there..either by yourself or wokshop. note: they charge you sgd30 per side.

or, go to spore forum and ask for used absorber set.if lucky, when they wanna scrap their car, you can have it..
http://forums.delphiforums.com/cultus/start

*nevermind, i'll wait anytime you free..
 
using gab absorber with kings spring (duno wat the hack brand izit, but soft), overall hard due to the gab, but conering at genting nice
 
argh. it seems that you guys are very comfortable with your suspension system and i am the only one that is unsatisfied. grr.

i really have no idea what else can be done other than changing the absorbers and spring. trying to source different places for parts as well.

what i am experiencing now is when i go over bumps or pot holes or even if the road is uneven, there is a loud banging sound and worries me that my engine might drop (haha). moreover, when i go more than 100kmh, the whole body feels like it is moving left and right. >;(
 

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