PR - To reduce prices of car if they win GE

[pwhyze]

What fuss? People are still focusing on tax what...:rolleyes:

 

[LesleyAprotto]

Cool ...............

Cool......................................................

Sometimes when we propose abolish this abolish that, we without realizing that others are dependant on it for livelihood...

So those affected may feel annoyed and retaliate......

Same golden rule applies.....

LETS FORGIVE & FORGET....

 

[ixeo]

what's up with all the fuss with this AP thingy?? don't u know our previous Prime Minister "Pak Lah" already announced that there will be no more AP after 2015, thanks to Tun Dr. M for playing around with "AP King" issues.. so starting January 2016 there's no more recond cars.. if u wanna buy good condition imported cars only brand new cars is your option, the one in 2nd hand dealers are not in good condition like the recond ones, at least ppl who can't afford to buy brand new cars still can buy recond cars which is almost like new.. so does everyone happy now?? satisfy?? we're talking about reducing car prices here not talking about AP, it's the tax that makes car prices expensive not AP

i'll have some of that pot you are smoking.

you cannot import a car, even if you are willing to pay tax. because you do not have AP.
without AP and if I can import car by paying tax, I'll gladly pay. 200% tax? I pay

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201231480263167/sort/default/usedcars/price-to/15000/maximum-age/up_to_7_years_old/model/m5/make/bmw/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/radius/200/page/1/postcode/w112bq?logcode=p
Only RM64k. 200% tax is RM128k. Add up its RM192k. Cheaper than a baseline brand new 3 series. Guess which one I'd buy?

BUT, because I need AP to import cars, I have pay this individual $$$ for him to do absolutely nothing so I can get the AP to import the car.

http://www.japan-partner.com/Auto/19784/Nissan/Skyline%20Coupe%20GT-R/car-for-sale.html $7000 USD. 200% tax? RM63000 only.

The tax makes the cars expensive, the AP makes it even worst.

 

[vr2turbo]

Problem is when you import, the tax not based on your import invoice value. Malaysian custom have their own value, they will say you under declare.....

 

[maze]

since everyone wants AP to be ended really soon, i just hope n pray non of our family members or close friends is working in this recond cars industry.. imagine how many people who works as runner, salesman, accountant, managers will lose their jobs.. n hopefully they don't have wife or kids to feed.. not to mention for those who works in MITI, PUSPAKOM, JPJ, KASTAM and ports such as port klang.. even workshops, tyre shops, paintjob shops and accesory shops will lose their regular customers.. can everyone of them point finger or blame anyone in this situation? or can they?

 

[vr2turbo]

For anything there are always pros and cons. Some will gain and some will lose. Look at CRT (Cathode Ray Tube) factories making CTV those days. Ever since LCD have taken over they have closed down. My friend's son was an engineer there and lost his job....

 

[kazukimy]

out go the AP, come in with new tax...tats for sure....

 

[vr2turbo]

out go the AP, come in with new tax...tats for sure....

ha! ha! yup, there is always a balance in life......

 

[ixeo]

since everyone wants AP to be ended really soon, i just hope n pray non of our family members or close friends is working in this recond cars industry.. imagine how many people who works as runner, salesman, accountant, managers will lose their jobs.. n hopefully they don't have wife or kids to feed.. not to mention for those who works in MITI, PUSPAKOM, JPJ, KASTAM and ports such as port klang.. even workshops, tyre shops, paintjob shops and accesory shops will lose their regular customers.. can everyone of them point finger or blame anyone in this situation? or can they?

In fact, if AP ends, they have even better business! The people who have experience will be even more in demand! The manager who is in charge of running the recond car business for some "datuk" who has AP..can now start his own recond car business!

Without AP around, now everybody can start a recond car business!

Back then some jokers say if AirAsia came to the picture they will cannibalize MAS and the people at MAS will lose their jobs. Guess what? AirAsia hiring even more than MAS ever did. :rolleyes:

I have some of the stuff you're smoking too!

 

[maze]

Without AP around, now everybody can start a recond car business! <-- i love this sentence dude, it reminds me why our second Prime Minister Tun Abdul Razak and his deputy Tun Dr. Ismail, gave AP in the first place.. back then after the May 13th 1969 tragedy they realize that the bumiputera's are not competetive in the industry so both of them looks for solution.. so they create few quoata's such bumiputera quota students for IPTA, quota for housing for bumiputera and quota AP for bumiputera to help them to start their business.. AP doesn't only apply for cars, importing or exporting sugar or palm oil also requires AP.. ok back to the main point, let's say if everybody can start a recond car business, what is the percentage of bumiputera's that can compete in this industry? look at the percentage of bumiputera's who's involve in second hand car dealership.. i'm not beeing bias or racist or what so ever, i'm just trying to make people understand AP is given to help and support bumiputera, it's not given as special privilege to make rich people richer.. and btw not all "datuk" is entitle to get AP and not all AP holder is "datuk".. the last AP given was in the late 80's, so it doesn't matter who u are no one can apply AP after that.. u can see the proof when Pak Lah distribute the names of AP holder in newspaper after the "AP King" issue

 

[ixeo]

I don't know why suddenly involved Bumiputera, I must reiterate, I respect Bumiputera, and I think their rights as agreed by our forefathers must be maintained and not challenged. HOWEVER.

Time has proven the AP model failed cause in the end it only made select group of elite individuals extremely rich while offering nothing to the masses. If you want to re-propose something to help bumi, sure, I am all for it. No problem! But I am against AP right here right now.

The masses are still hired by Proton, Perodua and auto manufacturers who does CKD assembly here. AP didn't do anything for the mass. Also, AP does not add value, you're just buying a car and selling it here, does it need technical knowledge or know-how? Does it make our rakyat who is working in AP car business more knowledgable? No. Cause its just buying and selling. On the other hand, car manufacturers who do CKD here, hire locals, train locals and give knowledge to locals. That is what I call helping the rakyat, bumi or not.

In my personal opinion, people who are supportive of AP are either stupid, ignorant or they have vested interest.

 

[vr2turbo]

Exactly, not distributed evenly, only a few getting fatter......

 

[pwhyze]

Yeah, the simple fact is AP was a noble strategy that is being exploited by the few to earn lots and lots of money. It does nothing to the general population, Bumiputras or otherwise.

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Back then some jokers say if AirAsia came to the picture they will cannibalize MAS and the people at MAS will lose their jobs. Guess what? AirAsia hiring even more than MAS ever did. :rolleyes:

In fact, people at MAS is not losing their job, it's MAS that is losing their people to AirAsia..haha

 

[vr2turbo]

In fact, people at MAS is not losing their job, it's MAS that is losing their people to AirAsia..haha

I remember when AA started, MAS personnel look down on them, because budget air mah! Now see who bigger......

 

[maze]

Exactly, not distributed evenly, only a few getting fatter......

the yearly quota was given according to the company's performance, they even have external audits from MITI to check all the company's accounts.. if they do well this year their next year's quota will be increase and if they're not performing their next year's quota will decrease.. some unlucky AP holders who took things for granted their AP is cease permanently..

 

[vr2turbo]

the yearly quota was given according to the company's performance, they even have external audits from MITI to check all the company's accounts.. if they do well this year their next year's quota will be increase and if they're not performing their next year's quota will decrease.. some unlucky AP holders who took things for granted their AP is cease permanently..

That is what I mean, this quota only to the fat directors of the company.....

 

[maze]

actually i don't mind if any government want to scrap AP overnight, because those AP holders who're doing well they'll just smile and laugh because most of them are well prepared.. most of them already has those 3S franchise such as Honda or Suzuki or what so ever.. my main concern is what gonna happen to those who're still struggling?? u'll be surprise some who's not doing well can only sell like 1 unit per month, and some not even importing any car in a month.. you'll be surprise some of these showroom only have less than 5 employee.. these struggling AP holder mostly still renting other people land for their showroom and some doesn't even have a proper showroom yet.. i just hope any government have plans for this struggling AP holders to assist them to earn their living.. or maybe someone wise here can propose anything?

 

[ixeo]

When they ventured into this business they should expect this coming.
In all businesses there are risks. and if you are in the business of AP recond car then losing the AP or abolishment of AP is part of the risk. If you don't know how to run a company, well, its too damn bad for you.

Like i said, if AP is no longer required, and anybody can import cars by paying the duties, these experience recond people would be in demand. I would gladly pay RM1000 to a runner to help me settle paperwork to import a Nissan Skyline R32 GTR for me. I'm sure those buying BMW M5 would gladly pay more than that.

Who will be in deep shit? The AP bosses who imported the cars which are now left to rot.

 

[quicksilver7]

I can't believe it. Was recently reading the comments on this link: PKR launches ‘Turunkan Harga Kereta’ campaign

Most people there, are unfavourable towards the new proposal. I suppose they are really deluded or they're barang naik troopers.

 

[SloMo]

its a noble move i must say, but wouldnt it be better to focus on more of a basic necessities rather than the things that not all of us can afford? for example house price, food price etc