Misconceptions about HIDs & Projectors!

ahmedshaikhani

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Hello guys, Most people have some wrong ideas about HID and projector lights.I am going to copy and paste some of the information I shared in the old forums but did not get noticed.
Here we go:

Common misconception:

"projectors are useless without hid , with normal bulbs u will face many problems in vision"
Actuality:
That is far from true, projectors have far better output even with halogen bulbs, take the camry for example it comes with halogen projectors and light output is WAY better compared to a reflector housing.

Projectors come in two different types. 1.Halogen 2. HID .... Now aftermarket projectors that are sold ... 99.9% of them are Halogen projectors ... but as everyone does not know this , they put HID's in the Halogen Projectors and the output is ridiculous to say the least.The reason is because the focal point of the halogen bulb is different from the HID bulb.

Misconception:

"Why Install Projectors in The First Place??.. Why Not Only Install HID's In Stock HeadLamps??.. They Give More Light Than Projectors.."
Actuality:
That is also false, HID in reflector housings gives the worst output.The glare you get is blinding to say the least.Most of the folks put HID in halogen projectors and then complain that the output is worse.

Here is the output of light in descending order:
HID Projector>Halogen Projector>Reflector Housing.

Now let me show you comparison pictures of outputs in different applications.

Real HID Projector Output: No light above the cutoff line:



Another image of a real HID projector( This is a RHD projector, hence the higher side is on the left)



Halogen Projector(with halogen bulb) Output:No light above the cutoff line



Halogen Projector(with HID bulb) Output ... This is a common mistake Notice the Light has dispersed. Light has escaped above the cutoff line.Oncoming traffic gets a little glare in their eyes.



HID in reflector Housing: By far the worst output .Has the worst output. The is no evidence of a cutoff line.That's why the oncoming traffic gets glare in their eyes.



More Pointers:

1. If your car came with Halogens from the factory, Halogens will give you the best visibility(in your stock headlight) no matter what anyone says.

2.The purpose of the high beam is to put light in the distance.When your high beam reflector is not meant for an HID then how in the world is the HID going to be effective. Also HID's take time to come up to full intensity(usually 5-15 seconds) and that defeats the purpose of a high beam.

3.Light output(measured in lumens) is inversely proportional to the color temperature(measured in kelvins or K) so the most light you would get will be out of 4300K(Same color temperature as daylight). Beyond 6000K its just plain useless.

One thing to note the reason that the "Blue" HID lights seem to be brighter is because of the simple reason that the human eye is very sensitive to blue light which is the very reason it dazzles our eyes and gives the illusion that it is brighter which in fact is totally false.
After-market Projectors

All of the projectors headlamps available at car accessory shops are Halogen, most of the people do not know this, and when they buy them and put an HID Kit in the projectors, they start complaining of the lack of visibility.

A simple way of identifying a halogen projector is that it simple uses any of the halogen bulb types for example like H11,H3 etc.

Real HID Projectors use HID bulbs like D2S,D1S etc.
Cars with HID reflector housings(from the factory):

Now before you go all flaming on me that there are some cars out their like the 8th Gen Civic hat have HID's from the factory even though they have a reflector housing; Let me explain that as well

The cars above all have one thing in common, their reflector housings were designed from the ground up to be used with an HID bulb.These reflectors are diamond cut for more precise cutoff to reduce most of the glare and use a bulb known as D2R (R for Reflector).Half the bulb glass is covered with paint to reduce the the glare even further.

Now you all be the judge.I have made the mistake of putting HID's in reflector housings but after doing extensive research I have come to the conclusion that HID should only be used in HID Projectors Only.

That is all I can churn out of my useless brain at the moment.
Feel free to ask questions, I will be more than happy to answer them.
 
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another thing to consider......

was the bulb source point of light....

the reason cheapo HID not up to par with high-end HID was the position of the bulb itself....

even the bulb mouting point was no different, the point of light source changed,this change the light output on the road due to change in focus point....the theory was simple...imagine if u light a bulb and try to move the bulb further/closer to the reflector and u'll the different(u can see in some old type torch light which has this function)


this is because any type of light depends heavily on reflector design....and each reflector have been designed carefully to utilize a certain bulb position and point of light source emitted from the bulb.....

any slight change on this factor plays major effect on the light output
 

drMpower

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i'll shoot the mothafucka with crazy fitting of that white bulb
or whatever u calling it

it gives many motorist coming from front
or driving in front of them
problems looking at those lights

if u cant fit it properly like those factory fitted ones
my advise is dont fit it
otherwise i'll shoot u in the face once i come into power
 

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This is the sort of information that I need. I've been contemplating to change the headlights in my Civic FD1 to FD2, but have hesitated to do so, unless I know I can get it to look exactly like the FD2. I see now that the FD2 uses D2R HIDs and have different reflectors altogether...

...which might be overtly expensive, and pointless since I am only trying to achieve the aesthetics. So I'll probably pass.
 

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i did a custom Projector Headlights and fitted 4300k HID into it. I woud comment that my visible range was not affected. Not sure bout the glare tho....
 

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Anyone selling HID Projectors in the market by the way ?
 

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like this one can???

FX-R RHD Bi-xenon projector - Car Accessories & Parts for sale Kuala Lumpur - Mudah.my

This is truly projector design for HID D2S Bulbs, its FX-R for your info. Look at the clean cutoff already know its not those halogen projector with HID bulbs. :biggrin:

yep..i believe thats the proper projector for HID after reading the blog posts....


and another i want to ask about was the hi-low mechanism on those ds2 projector...was it motorized cut-off plate that moves away from the projected light when we switch between low and high beam???? :hmmmm:
 

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