Campro 1.6 Super-Charged?

[wajastendedje]

any 4 stroke engine can be supercharged/turbocharged.

it's up to the mech that can do it for you & how he do it.
IMO JCV's sample (the toyota up there) is absolutely fantastic. there's oso a guy named gerrard who supercharged his SGTI few years back, gud results oso, altho we never kinda hear frm him now.
wud be terrific if he's still in the car-supercharging thingy.

can i just buy 4age 1 bijik than install it direct.
or ive to add some other model part ?

sori lo im very noob

 

[chuckie]

Arturo Bro
This SC taken from Toyota Estima/MR2, code name SC14.
its a positive displacement blower & roots type Supercharger
Got another SC from toyota with code name SC12, origin from 4AGE
(if am not mistaken), the different is the displacement.


Speed2Horizon bro
4 this type of SC using separate oil, just use an original toyota SC oil/lubricant,
hence no need return pipe, no need drill the hole, (like turbo setup, need that kind
of stuff).
Am using longer belting 6PK connected directly to SC pulley, meaning no additional pulley.


HKS-GT2835R bro
Thanks buddy... just for a low/tide budget & carefull study, so i decide for this mod instead
of swap to 3SGTE...

Bro JCV,
May i know either u have done the dyno test? What the on wheel hp? Can share with me the contact number and address of that garage? TQ

 

[JCV]

can i just buy 4age 1 bijik than install it direct.
or ive to add some other model part ?

sori lo im very noob

wajastendedje bro...

Just 4 quick info/brief, SC got 2 types that are commonly used on an internal combustion car engine
1) Centrifugal superchargers, which are very similar to turbochargers and
2) Positive-displacement superchargers, such as the Roots supercharger and the twin-screw supercharger

The most common we found here is Positive displacement SC and its Roots SC like SC12, SC14, AMR300, AMR500, to name a few...

Parts needed..
- Supercharger (SC12/SC14/AMR300/AMR500/etc)
- Need custom bracket
- Need custom piping & hose
- Intercooler (optional)
- Engine belting (long)
- ABV (air bypass valve) - optional
- Piggyback/Standalone ECU

For throttle body position/location, normally & advisable fix it b4 SC
FILTER -> MAF -> TB -> SC -> IC -> INTAKE

This is the basic things that we need to consider/take care when put in the SC in our engine.. 4 normal FAQ i`ll try my best to answer it or at least give some idea & we can discuss together here..

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Bro JCV,
May i know either u have done the dyno test? What the on wheel hp? Can share with me the contact number and address of that garage? TQ

B4 fix the SC (standard) 1zz-fe 1.8L around 148hp (done it at Torque Racing Permas Jaya JB)

after SC not yet dyno, but will manage it once.. Along/Rafi RMD done on road tuning..

but actually got 5 members/frens of mine dyno oredi, so the result are

1) 1AZ-FSE 2.0L with Blitz SC - 200.3hp
2) 1ZZ-FE 1.8L with Blitz SC - 173hp

So IMO, with SC14, the figure oso myb around that 1, but in automotive we cant simply say myb/agak2... nvm soon i`ll finish dyno i will return here & give the result...

Here the contact
Soh Brother Taman Perling
Name: Mikel
hp no: 0127910366

p/s when call him, just mention, Saya kawan Man JCV

 

[Airmund]

Hi Bro JCV, i sent you a PM with regards to some tuning questions. hope to hear from you soon! THanks!

 

[risyia]

Bro JCV,

From your engine bay photos, I believe yours is either a Toyota Wish or Toyota Altis.

Just one question, fitting the SC14, does it give vibration problem at idle or u managed to solve the problem by an ABV.

Had my 4G93 installed with the SC14 without an ABV by Gerrard before, there was this problem of engine vibration at idle.

 

[JCV]

Sooorryy frennn... away from shore... and bz with work.. =)

Airmund bro
sory 4 late reply...where r u fix da SC? mike place? last b4 am leaving, as i can recall, mike
bz install/fix SC into 1 Car...is that u?

risyia bro (look like familiar nickname hihihihi)
4 da 1st time running...yes it was.. bad idling & vibrate...long piping (i gues), bcause, mine fix with FMIC, so air traveling from Filter to the Intake become longer compare to the original setup. Sumore, got leaking, hose/jointer/gasket not properly fix, after careful checking & fix all that things, the result, Yes...the idling still not good but more better compare from the 1st run. After that send 4 tuning my Ultimate at RMD (along & rafi) and end result is OK.. not perfect, but sounds good & smooth... btw am not using ABV

The other result is without FMIC/TMIC (fren of mine) using same SC (SC14), the different is without FMIC/TMIC & short piping, from my observation, they dun have any problem with idling/vibration (because of bad idling, sumtime too-high/too-low can cause engine vibration), just minor, but not so obvious, after tuning, all become good & smooth...

 

[phantomRX8]

anyone heard of rotrex? they sell centrifugal superchargers. the setup is quite simple but i dunno bout the price if we would want to custom a kit for campro..anyway the compressor spins hi speed like a turbo's..

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one question bro..if the sc can on/off, and the airflow must go tru the sc after the tb, what happens to the airflow during sc off? surely airflow will be impeded by the fins of the sc which is not turning due to the magnetic clutch not engaged, right?

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

if not mistaken there was some sorts of bypass valve during SC pulley of..forgot the detail....

 

[JCV]

phantomRX8 bro

Yes it is and ABV (Air Bypass Valve) is the key and way. When we OFF the SC, air traveling from
TB to Intake become far, in addition, if use FMIC that will become far2 away. This term we call it
"RESTRICTION". so to reduce the "RESTRICTION" we need ABV, the air can bypass from SC/Blower
(less air go through SC/Blower bcause SC itself already consider as RESTRICTION/Obstruction/Obstacle).

As for me, I'm not using any type of ABV, so far the engine still running good & smooth without any problem.
Just ON the SC when needed...like overtaking, climb up...Others than that like a normal N/A...

Many article about technical term benefit ABV like VE, Fuel efficiency out there, just google it.

 

[HKS-GT2835R]

phantomRX8 bro

Yes it is and ABV (Air Bypass Valve) is the key and way. When we OFF the SC, air traveling from
TB to Intake become far, in addition, if use FMIC that will become far2 away. This term we call it
"RESTRICTION". so to reduce the "RESTRICTION" we need ABV, the air can bypass from SC/Blower
(less air go through SC/Blower bcause SC itself already consider as RESTRICTION/Obstruction/Obstacle).

As for me, I'm not using any type of ABV, so far the engine still running good & smooth without any problem.
Just ON the SC when needed...like overtaking, climb up...Others than that like a normal N/A...

Many article about technical term benefit ABV like VE, Fuel efficiency out there, just google it.

i read in a 1UZ forum they used those external wastegates as an ABV.

 

[phantomRX8]

ok2 bro jcv..thanx hehe..now i know how they got around the problem..i will google it..anyway what material do they used for the brackets, bro? if in case i have to do it DIY huhu

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some images i got from surfing around..this is from a satria neo. care to comment on the setup?

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found out some more info that the supercharged neo was done at now-defunct FTD in usj area

 

[xtremeleo]

imagine doing that on a twin-charged car.

low rpm = supercharger on.
hi-rpm = supercharger off, turbocharger on

hehe

anyhow, i wouldn't use a manual switch.
shift light wud be my preference there. when the shift light is ON, you know the s/c is ON.

we had this planned out for quite sumtime dah, but the owner decided not to proceed. what a waste of time ler, anyone wanna do dis ker? hehe.. i planned it years ago, keeping in mind the problems of the superturbo k10, and i found a way to overcome its problem..

i prefer turbocharger still, u wont have much limitation like a superturbo

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wow, he hooked dat up to the cam pulley.. i can only imagine the accelerated wear on the cam, shudnt have done dat imo.. cams arent equipped with balancers like crank shaft, they arent balanced either. wow, i mean wow..

whose campro sc is dat? how long has it been since it was charged up and run? i wud die to know if its reliable

 

[HKS-GT2835R]

whose campro sc is dat? how long has it been since it was charged up and run? i wud die to know if its reliable

'if i remember correctly' it makes 180bhp atw. i read in zth oso

 

[haz93]

camproturbo got 180hp on wheel boost 0.6 bar
boost 1bar got 2++hp on wheel
more info www.camproturbo.com

 

[xtremeleo]

i hate it when they limit forums to members only, lol

u got the link tak adi? how long ago was dis?

 

[phantomRX8]

someone is selling his turbokit for campro blm stroked to 1.6..rm3500..he got 197whp @ 1.1 bar..looking at the price, i guess turbo is very much affordable than SC made by powerzone etc..although i do like the SC..huhu

 

[xtremeleo]

dats a used kit sir, hence the cheap price, err.. kan?

 

[azzrizul]

if i wan to sc my persona b-line manual can?
how much do u think it will cost?
i heard sc is much more reliable n easy to maintain..
issit true??

 

[duck_killer99]

i'm also interest on this......for campro

 

[phantomRX8]

dats a used kit sir, hence the cheap price, err.. kan?

yeah..but brand new kit is juz around rm5k..plus one year warranty on the engine sum more huhu