2006 European GP, Nurburgring

[GT3]

hope their comeback is for real . btw i just found something interesting , didnt knew that Jean Todt has a son which also is manages in the f1 team .



http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/060508094713.shtml - link from zeroTohundred's post earlier

Todt son been in this business for a while.. he manages some f3000 team last time but now i think its some gp2 team. in fact he has been supporting massa all these while by putting him in the sauber seat n eventually the ferrari.

 

[zan]

Ferarri did a great job... no arguing about that...

but, its back to pit strategy deciding a race.... not much on-track race action... personally, i was bored...

formula 1 is all about speed and strategies. mind us all.

such practise was done since long time ago. even when i started watching F1 back in 1986. of coz, being a 12 yrs old kid i do not understand much..he he he..

so, when ferrari won european GP becoz of its strategy, it showed their skills in planning.

in fact , every team in F1 gambles with their own respective strategy; even Renault.

how much fuel to start the race, when to pit in, to change new engine or stick to 2 race rules, single pit stop, 2 or even 3 pit stops...

its not only ferrari. and after watching the last race i assume the ferrari has abilities to catch up with renault. sumthing that was not capable of last year.
personally speaking, ferraris may be just as fast as the renault but not any faster.

that is when a good strategy become crucial. and there is nothing wrong with that.

me and FIA 2 cents.

 

[zeroTohundred]

also to support my claim about ferrari is a better car. listen to Michael's comment. he claims that this time ferrari is superior compared to renault.
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Well, MSC is so humble nowadays he wouldn't say anything like that. Care to share the links about what he claimed?

about the bridgestone point scoring issue, i just looked thru the chart and i think you should check it out too before making claims. It's more or less the same with the Ferraris scoring + another 1 or 2 cars from other bridgestone teams(mainly Williams). There's no clear advantage of bridgestone at the nurburgring, Ferraris scored 16, another 2 point from Rosberg.
http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/en/standings/index2006.shtml

 

[minivan]

formula 1 is all about speed and strategies. mind us all.

such practise was done since long time ago. even when i started watching F1 back in 1986. of coz, being a 12 yrs old kid i do not understand much..he he he..

so, when ferrari won european GP becoz of its strategy, it showed their skills in planning.

in fact , every team in F1 gambles with their own respective strategy; even Renault.

how much fuel to start the race, when to pit in, to change new engine or stick to 2 race rules, single pit stop, 2 or even 3 pit stops...

its not only ferrari. and after watching the last race i assume the ferrari has abilities to catch up with renault. sumthing that was not capable of last year.
personally speaking, ferraris may be just as fast as the renault but not any faster.

that is when a good strategy become crucial. and there is nothing wrong with that.

me and FIA 2 cents.

Yeah... i was also watching F1 in the Senna, Mansel, Hill, Prost era... and i know what strategy is and its role in winning races. 1 stop, 2 stops, 3 stops, quick laps, conserve fuel,tyres, brakes, new engine, old engine, new tyres, srub tyres, FIA rulings, fuel load bla, bla, bla.... still doesnt eliminate the fact that for ME PERSONALLY its on the boring side of things.

I wish there was more on-track overtaking action, instead of overtaking thru pit strategy.... i want to see 'racing' ... late braking, late braking and not over-shooting the corner or ur oponent will fight back, positioning ur oponent into the next corner, pressuring the guy in front of you, 'cucuk angin' ... wheel to wheel stuff... all that kind of stuff i appreciate a bit more.... but, hey... thats just me...

 

[si|verfish]

Check out some older GP highlights then. Personal recommendation, Gilles Villeneuve .

 

[GT3]

Well, MSC is so humble nowadays he wouldn't say anything like that. Care to share the links about what he claimed?

about the bridgestone point scoring issue, i just looked thru the chart and i think you should check it out too before making claims. It's more or less the same with the Ferraris scoring + another 1 or 2 cars from other bridgestone teams(mainly Williams). There's no clear advantage of bridgestone at the nurburgring, Ferraris scored 16, another 2 point from Rosberg.
http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/en/standings/index2006.shtml

http://sports.sina.com.cn/f1/2006-05-08/04192199859.shtml
thats the link.. but it is in mandarin.

erm how should I put it. there is only 4 teams with bridgestone if im not wrong. well we cold forget abt super aguri so the top 3 is ferrari, williams and toyota. in the race aside from the retirement of button who was in the point scoring position there should be another 2 more bridgestone runners (webber and ralf) retired when they were in point scoring position. no matter how u cut it if they dint retired due to their mechanical problem chances is there will be 5 bridgestone in the points. isnt that a prove?

ok even if u cant agree with my explaination. think of it another way. during the past when bridgestone is a better tyre. ferrari will almost for certain be in the top 3 n almost most of the time it will win. ferrari's performance hence to some extend is the measure for the performance of bridgestone.

 

[GT3]

sorry jus came to my mind. its five team with Bridgestone. one more is midland.

 

[Cek Pit]

bye bye alongso..

 

[butthead]

Yeah... i was also watching F1 in the Senna, Mansel, Hill, Prost era... and i know what strategy is and its role in winning races. 1 stop, 2 stops, 3 stops, quick laps, conserve fuel,tyres, brakes, new engine, old engine, new tyres, srub tyres, FIA rulings, fuel load bla, bla, bla.... still doesnt eliminate the fact that for ME PERSONALLY its on the boring side of things.

I wish there was more on-track overtaking action, instead of overtaking thru pit strategy.... i want to see 'racing' ... late braking, late braking and not over-shooting the corner or ur oponent will fight back, positioning ur oponent into the next corner, pressuring the guy in front of you, 'cucuk angin' ... wheel to wheel stuff... all that kind of stuff i appreciate a bit more.... but, hey... thats just me...

Wheel to wheel racing is quite hard nowadays that cars are getting so fast...and advantages between top teams are minimal...it is dangerous to do so...any knock into someone else could get both out of the race...and worse, it could cause death...

remember the multi-car crash at Imola and the following villeneuve and ralf incident at Albert Park where the accident cause the death of a marshal... can't say they were not close...they were too close that they had no space to avoid the incident...don't say this is racing...it's the live of another innocent marshal...if the drivers are really confident, then i think it is OK...but with kamikaze drivers like Takuma and Villeneuve...i guess it's always a risk...

and 2 years ago...MSC did a 4 stopper at Magny Cours to get in the front from his 2nd place quali...stunned everybody that his plan worked...and he was the only 1 on it...

 

[minivan]

Racers are gonna race no matter what... the objective is to overtake the guy in front of you... whether its thru pit strategy or on the tracks...

Safety of marshals... well, i'm not sure it falls under who's purview. So its their role and responsibility to ensure the safety of the marshals. You can't expect a driver to hold back racing to ensure safety of the marshals. If they had to, somebody is not doing their job properly. Drivers should be concentrating on the race, not the other variables around the track... as far as they are concerned, the safety of marshals (and even spectators for that matter) should have already been taken care off...

One more thing, motorsports is dangerous and there are risks involved, thats all part of what makes it exciting....

 

[butthead]

Racers are gonna race no matter what... the objective is to overtake the guy in front of you... whether its thru pit strategy or on the tracks...

Safety of marshals... well, i'm not sure it falls under who's purview. So its their role and responsibility to ensure the safety of the marshals. You can't expect a driver to hold back racing to ensure safety of the marshals. If they had to, somebody is not doing their job properly. Drivers should be concentrating on the race, not the other variables around the track... as far as they are concerned, the safety of marshals (and even spectators for that matter) should have already been taken care off...

One more thing, motorsports is dangerous and there are risks involved, thats all part of what makes it exciting....

of course racing is about winning...but taking away one's life will haunt the drivers conscience for life... of course marshals also do understand the risks involve with their duties...but what about their families... i remember ralf donating a sum of 25k to the family of the marshal in the Aussie GP incident...

of course there are also some drivers who would intentionally brake test the chaser behind him...i remembered one incident about 2 years or so back with Alonso and DC at nurburg...where Alonso braked a lot earlier than usual in the 2nd last turn to thwart DC off...DC totally misjudged it and went off the track to avoid collision with Alonso...

constructors make their cars to a level of safety that can ensure the safety of the driver nowadays in any possibly simulated crash... what i think they should look into is the safety of the spectators and the marshals...they are at all means standing out there unprotected...although there are rules to protect the marshals...but they still can't prevent it from an uncontrollable car at high speed...

of course safety precautions have been taken care of...but those had not changed a heck lot since the big change in the 80s... and the speed of the cars this day is a lot different than 10 years ago...even with the wheel retention cable coming into act a few years back...there was still wheels flying around sometimes...

F1 is interesting until death happens...

 

[minivan]

a loss of a life is always tragic... wont argue with u there... i'm sure there are steps taken to minimize the risk, but unfortunate things will still happen... but still, after said and done, what do you want to see happen?

u want drivers to hold back when they see a marshal?
or,
u want FIA to introduce a rule where drivers are not allowed to overtake, where marshals are placed?

 

[butthead]

a loss of a life is always tragic... wont argue with u there... i'm sure there are steps taken to minimize the risk, but unfortunate things will still happen... but still, after said and done, what do you want to see happen?

u want drivers to hold back when they see a marshal?
or,
u want FIA to introduce a rule where drivers are not allowed to overtake, where marshals are placed?

no, of course drivers would still drive all out...but i still think they will have some hold-back when they are all bunched up trying to overtake one another...unless someone is hot headed or being annoyed so badly he will take whatever neccesary means to overtake...but haven't seen that in years...