The mighty 2jz or The legendary RB26
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there's 1 in evolution autoparts, along the road from bukit jelutong/kg subang heading towards sg buloh. the chop shop owner also driving vvti aristo hehe...
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haha.... performance parts are pluged in as early as around 50k mieledge. now its already 125k km... overheated 2 times (temperature raises till 3 quarter on gauge) when water hose burst and the metal gasket still intact... how eh...? 2.2bar using to4z
on stock internal also cant even burn conrod bearing when force it to 8k rpm most of the time.haiyo... hard la... no sign of car "eating" engine oil untill today ... i tink i need to put some sand in my engine oil to blew it la..
oh please dont buy the JZ.....they will bored you cuz not much performance part you can buy to boost your confidents. they are too cheap that its too good to be true. cheap thing no good. good thing no cheap. it will bored you cuz you got no reason to open up the engine and see wat is inside. :sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep:
I personally love 2JZ combined with 1JZ. damn power. can play with lamborghini, ferari all.
but personally i love skyline with RB26DETT ( sound like a beast, big like a lorry, stable like a aircraft )
If can , i would buy skyline gts n put 2JZ.
heheheheheheheheheh............
but personally i love skyline with RB26DETT ( sound like a beast, big like a lorry, stable like a aircraft )
If can , i would buy skyline gts n put 2JZ.
heheheheheheheheheh............2JZ vs RB26 is the age old battle.... like battle between good and evil (which one good which one evil is up to you )
But there is one interesting development that will help 2JZ that has come from Texas of all places....it's called compound turbocharging.
) But there is one interesting development that will help 2JZ that has come from Texas of all places....it's called compound turbocharging.
dude, u personally love both?I personally love 2JZ combined with 1JZ. damn power. can play with lamborghini, ferari all.
but personally i love skyline with RB26DETT ( sound like a beast, big like a lorry, stable like a aircraft )
If can , i would buy skyline gts n put 2JZ.
Hi, my first post here just to share my experience as I've dabbled in both for the past 10 years as an owner but not so much as a tuner. I've owned two R32 and two R33 (one with GT2530s got totalled while playing with a 996 turbo unfortunately) and have owned both the pre-vvti and vvti 6 speed VVti. I still keep a lightly mod R33, a VVTi 6 speed and an Aristo VVti.
Just on the engine, with basic mods, the 2JZ especially in VVTi form wins hands down. Torque is available in gobs from 2000 rpm onwards. A well tuned RB with R34 BB turbos develop power from around 3,500rpm and I stress well tuned as none of the second hand RBs I purchased come "well tuned". Invariably it costed me quite a bit just to find out whether its the AFM, the FPR, the fuel pump, the electronics, the air leaks, the BOVs that's costing me power. The supras run an equally complicated (if not more complicate) sequential turbo system but surprisingly, they are never hard to trouble shoot. The RB is just a delicate creature that needs everything exactly matched in order to perform. The 2JZ on the other hand just pulls and pulls so long as you give it fuel and spark. Even the VVTi running AFMs never give me any sorrow though these are so much more difficult to tune due to the VVTi system. The old non-VVTi that runs MAP is just a tuner's wet dream.
Then there's the matter of cost of mods and second hand parts. The 2JZ VVTi shares the same engine with the Aristo 161 and the 2JZ without VVTi shares the same engine with the old Aristo 141. If God forbid you somehow manage to blow a 2JZ block, a replacement engine from an auto Aristo can be as cheap as a late model MX5 engine (in HOng KOng anyway)! The RB? Forget it, full rebuilt, no less. Mega bucks.
But here comes the interesting part, I love my R33 more than my Supra! It boils down to connection with the car. My biggest gripe about the supra is the steering. It's almost like driving the Aristo, the front end floats and I never feel connected to the road. It's a competent chassis and it can get thrown around just as fast as a GTR but there's simply no connection. The Supra (FMIC, 1.2 bar) accelerates so smoothly you get to 260kph in a blink with no drama. The R (R34 BB turbos, Tomei Poncam A, Tomei System 3 ECU, Nismo 555, N1 pumps, equal length downpipe) makes you feel every hp that comes out from the engine. Its not faster than the supra, no siree, but its certainly dramatic, the way it howls and barks and pulls when both turbo decides to spin. Every drive in the R is an event on its own whereas the supra can at times, feel "too competent" and bland if there's such a thing. Only thing I hate about the GTR's handling is the way torque suddenly comes to the front wheels especially with the larger turbos. Not sure if it's just bad setup on my car but it's given me a couple of big scares when the 2530s come on mid corner and it suddenly starts to "torque steer". Anyway, sorry for rambling but I'm a big fan for both engines!:proud:
Just on the engine, with basic mods, the 2JZ especially in VVTi form wins hands down. Torque is available in gobs from 2000 rpm onwards. A well tuned RB with R34 BB turbos develop power from around 3,500rpm and I stress well tuned as none of the second hand RBs I purchased come "well tuned". Invariably it costed me quite a bit just to find out whether its the AFM, the FPR, the fuel pump, the electronics, the air leaks, the BOVs that's costing me power. The supras run an equally complicated (if not more complicate) sequential turbo system but surprisingly, they are never hard to trouble shoot. The RB is just a delicate creature that needs everything exactly matched in order to perform. The 2JZ on the other hand just pulls and pulls so long as you give it fuel and spark. Even the VVTi running AFMs never give me any sorrow though these are so much more difficult to tune due to the VVTi system. The old non-VVTi that runs MAP is just a tuner's wet dream.
Then there's the matter of cost of mods and second hand parts. The 2JZ VVTi shares the same engine with the Aristo 161 and the 2JZ without VVTi shares the same engine with the old Aristo 141. If God forbid you somehow manage to blow a 2JZ block, a replacement engine from an auto Aristo can be as cheap as a late model MX5 engine (in HOng KOng anyway)! The RB? Forget it, full rebuilt, no less. Mega bucks.
But here comes the interesting part, I love my R33 more than my Supra! It boils down to connection with the car. My biggest gripe about the supra is the steering. It's almost like driving the Aristo, the front end floats and I never feel connected to the road. It's a competent chassis and it can get thrown around just as fast as a GTR but there's simply no connection. The Supra (FMIC, 1.2 bar) accelerates so smoothly you get to 260kph in a blink with no drama. The R (R34 BB turbos, Tomei Poncam A, Tomei System 3 ECU, Nismo 555, N1 pumps, equal length downpipe) makes you feel every hp that comes out from the engine. Its not faster than the supra, no siree, but its certainly dramatic, the way it howls and barks and pulls when both turbo decides to spin. Every drive in the R is an event on its own whereas the supra can at times, feel "too competent" and bland if there's such a thing. Only thing I hate about the GTR's handling is the way torque suddenly comes to the front wheels especially with the larger turbos. Not sure if it's just bad setup on my car but it's given me a couple of big scares when the 2530s come on mid corner and it suddenly starts to "torque steer". Anyway, sorry for rambling but I'm a big fan for both engines!:proud:
2JZ vs RB26DETT - 2JZ wins in term of reliability and over engineered
BCNR32/33/34 vs Supra - GTR AWD wins
My observation and opinion.
BCNR32/33/34 vs Supra - GTR AWD wins
My observation and opinion.
Bring your 32,33 or 34 out to meet me...but if u're talking anything less than 1km.. then u go meet my friend leonard.. bwahahahaha
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i totally agree on this point... but to improve it, u need at least the front tyre size of 255/35/18 or 255/40 and above... else u'll feel the float..
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IMHO, one thing that the 2jz lacks is a perceived racing heritage.... maybe blackie can enlighten us further... of course Toyota races in F1 etc, but it's not Supras specifically - and rarely the 2jz engine.
The gtr has loads, of course the R32 was legendary, R33 raced in Le Mans, R35 currently campaigning in Japan, One Lap of America, and needless to mention, conquering the green hell Nurburgring.
The gtr has loads, of course the R32 was legendary, R33 raced in Le Mans, R35 currently campaigning in Japan, One Lap of America, and needless to mention, conquering the green hell Nurburgring.
Ar interesting point. Do you need special offset for the 255 front? Wouldn't it rub against the mudguard? And can I still use 265 for rears or need something wider to maintain balance?
2jz n rb26 are both legendary eng to come out of japan. undeniable the 2jz has more grunt as it has more displacement compared to rb26 and engineered for higher output in stock trim. if u compared the mines gtr n the white super in the infamous video, u can see what the rb eng is all about. RESPONSE.. that is why it dominates the races.. it depends what u are after in choosing the eng.. all out torque or eng response. its also unfair to compare to modified eng from tuners cuz tuning plays a big role in the outcome of the eng.. in ausi, u can see an unmatchable 2jz kicking 1600bhp in 3.0 settings. something rb26 can only dream about but if u see the torque curve in these super high out put eng, the rb26 has a broader torque curve even though it doesnt match the peak output of the 2jz thus making it a more responsive eng. manufacturers make these eng to be modded, thats why there are so many aftermarket performance parts for these eng. if u wanna up the power, u gotta change parts like the oil pump.
Even those Jap admit that RB26 still far most the best if compared to the R35 engine! This is what happen when the top guy is not 100% Jap and wanted to change thing out their way...
In NZ, there's an Rb engine that can match that. Produces 1200+ hp and the car runs 7.8s in 1/4 mile. But the car is a 240z.
And the engine is rb30
... and it belongs to RIPSIn NZ, there's an Rb engine that can match that. Produces 1200+ hp and the car runs 7.8s in 1/4 mile. But the car is a 240z.
And the engine is rb30
Actually Rob from RIPS just recently examined the 2JZ engine in detail vs the Rb30 (NOT the RB26).
He said there's no reason the 2JZ should be stronger than the RB30, in fact he noticed one major drawback of the 2JZ and some stronger components in the stock RB30 like the cradles or girdles or something. I think if you're interested, you have to ask him directly (like Dr.D, I'm not a mechanic, more of a people's mechanic LOL).
He's quite a friendly guy...he's always on gtr.co.uk.
He said there's no reason the 2JZ should be stronger than the RB30, in fact he noticed one major drawback of the 2JZ and some stronger components in the stock RB30 like the cradles or girdles or something. I think if you're interested, you have to ask him directly (like Dr.D, I'm not a mechanic, more of a people's mechanic LOL).
He's quite a friendly guy...he's always on gtr.co.uk.
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Let's hear and learn which are the best!
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Bump: Let's hear and learn which are the best!
Hey guys,
Was following the thread with intense interests.
Worse engine ever = mazda's 13B
HAHA....
Bump: Hey guys,
Was following the thread with intense interests.
Worse engine ever = mazda's 13B
HAHA....
Was following the thread with intense interests.
Worse engine ever = mazda's 13B
HAHA....
Bump: Hey guys,
Was following the thread with intense interests.
Worse engine ever = mazda's 13B
HAHA....
wait till the rotary guys come in n give their opinion, immediately this thread will jump to 20 pages.
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from my experience, kancil 660cc feels like its got more torque compared to the 13B off-boost hehehe
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