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I think everyone has been recommending piggybacks based on what type of driving they imagine you'd most likely do. And in all likelihood, a piggyback would probably last you a couple of years at the very least. However, I believe you're going about this whole modification a bit too fast. Not in terms of doing too many mods at one time (no such thing as too many mods!) but what I mean is that you're skipping a few steps along the way.

This is what you've said earlier:

1. My aim is to have a setup that is responsive and good for GTJ runs over weekends. I definitely do not want something laggy and designed for straight line speed.

2. As I understand it, the following supporting mods are required to support bigger hp:
a. bigger injectors (650cc)
b. bigger FMIC
c. metal gasket
d. fuel pump
e. fpr
f. bigger turbo
g. ECU
I hope this list isn't according to sequence because if so then its definitely the wrong approach. I understand wanting to learn more about ECUs etc but I suggest setting that aside for now and going with the following modifications, going in that order or something similar first:

1) Complete the rest of your exhaust system
2) Replace the stock intercooler with a front mount intercooler
3) Upgrade to a better radiator and change thermostat

That settles your cooling. I'd take a look at your oil cooler mounting location. I know you said most GTTs mount it there but even GTTs in colder countries running FMICs relocate the oil cooler either to the wheel arch (with this comes its own disadvantages) or on the drivers side (I think there is an air cond radiator already there (?) so don't know if there is space to sit in front of it or if blocking it would cause problem - for this you need to research and speak to your tuner).

4) Upgrade your clutch (will slip later with extra power when least expected and not budgeted for)
5) Better brakes (not sure what you have other than Endless pads but better rotors, braided lines would be a good place to start if you don't want to spend on Brembos)
6) Replace tires (this can come sooner but not later and make sure you don't skimp on this AT ALL)

The above address your basic stopping and turning since you already have HKS coilovers. That isn't all there is to do but should be enough for now so as not to overwhelm. Note that at this point there has been no increase in power except the slightly higher boost from the free flowing exhaust but that really is marginal.

7) Aftermarket fuel pump (resist the urge to get a Walbro despite what anybody says because firstly there are too many imitations out there and secondly they have been proven to not flow as much as quoted especially when not receiving enough voltage)
8) Install the fuel pressure regulator you've been keeping under your pillow

At this point you are ready for more boost which you've been running at most 0.9 bar however you already know the limits of the standard turbo. You would probably want to go with a bolt-on turbo and seeing that your internals are still stock, nothing overboard either. Let's assume a 2530 or something for now. In order to use that, you are short two more modifications:

9) Injectors
10) The ECU to control the injectors and all of the above.

You can do mods 9 and 10 at the same time or if its too expensive then do ECU first because you would need one to control the injectors. The reason why you don't know what you want from an aftermarket ECU is because you lack numbers 1-8 after which you'd understand your own requirements much better. I don't know how long numbers 1-8 will take you because in between there is maintenance, servicing, running costs (petrol, insurance and roadtax) which require funds as well. However long it may be, I'd wait until then before revisiting the topic of ECUs.

Again, this is just my opinion and some may not agree but I believe that this is the best way to avoid nasty surprises and is geared towards reliability by putting emphasis on supporting and safety mods first.
 

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PFC sux.. dont buy pfc.. useless piece of shit... fortunately alot of cars with pfc are already running on the streets.. unlike cars with super duper ecu that cant even be tuned.. well, cant deny pfc is an old stand alone, processore is slower than my nokia e7 symbian but it works.. in view of limited trusted tuners, what u choose is up to u and ur tuner .
 

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I agree with what The Pimp has mentioned.

Best would be having 20k in spare change but as a friend and from experience I would say enjoy your car one step at a time.

Cooling then fueling and don't forget braking (don't be like me, after Ulu Yam town I'm literally brake-less :biggrin:). After that u may think of upping boost, more power etc. Safety first bro :top:

I think u need to do detoxification therapy. Too many people racun u already.. :biggrin:
 

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detox ..hehehe.. thats a good one... true, whats power without handling ..whats power if u cant use it.. thats why better to invest in handling and optimizing what u have rather rushing to get the biggest what ever u can buy... dont rush in modding ur car, read and listen to experience. slowly collect items
 

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Its all about project management. Get a good plan. Make sure you have all the necessary items required. Find the right people to do the implementation.

My approach was:
1. Safety (Big radiators, thermostat, FMIC,oil cooler)
2. Handling ( tyres, bushing, shock absorbers, steel braided brake hose,)
3. Power ( power fc, turbo outlet, exhaust system, fuel pump, fuel regulator, turbo, etc...)

anyway mr BR, i think this website would be useful in your upgrading
Skyline R34

I like PN Motorsport!
 

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Its all about project management. Get a good plan. Make sure you have all the necessary items required. Find the right people to do the implementation.

My approach was:
1. Safety (Big radiators, thermostat, FMIC,oil cooler)
2. Handling ( tyres, bushing, shock absorbers, steel braided brake hose,)
3. Power ( power fc, turbo outlet, exhaust system, fuel pump, fuel regulator, turbo, etc...)

anyway mr BR, i think this website would be useful in your upgrading
Skyline R34

I like PN Motorsport!
hehehehe.. not sure that website is an accurate reference. he doesnt even know the voltage range for the afm .but its a simple and easy to understand.
 

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I agree with what The Pimp has mentioned.

Best would be having 20k in spare change but as a friend and from experience I would say enjoy your car one step at a time.

Cooling then fueling and don't forget braking (don't be like me, after Ulu Yam town I'm literally brake-less :biggrin:). After that u may think of upping boost, more power etc. Safety first bro :top:

I think u need to do detoxification therapy. Too many people racun u already.. :biggrin:
Ulu Yam don't need brakes lah bro, nama pun going uphill. :burnout:
 

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as u can see from this thread, too many people with too many ideas (all proven n correct but all with varying concepts and difficult for u to digest all).

my advice is, find one sifu, one mechanic, one tuner. then follow their advice. make sure the sifu, mechanic n tuner are able to help u n very knowledgeable. no more contradicting ideas hehehe
 

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as u can see from this thread, too many people with too many ideas (all proven n correct but all with varying concepts and difficult for u to digest all).

my advice is, find one sifu, one mechanic, one tuner. then follow their advice. make sure the sifu, mechanic n tuner are able to help u n very knowledgeable. no more contradicting ideas hehehe
I think its important to get as much information as possible from as many credible sources as possible. SAU seems to be a good place for GTT owners. However, its important to filter out what is pure rubbish and what isn't.

But what khoyos has mentioned above is very true. If you jump from tuner to tuner, its harder for them to understand you and for you to fully appreciate the extent of what your tuner can or cannot deliver. It's extremely important that the communication between you two is very precise and if a tuner pretty much says he can do everything you want and more then its time to worry. A real tuner will tell you what he's comfortable with and what's achievable both in relation to your set-up and his ability.

Pick a workshop/tuner and try stick to them. Don't jump from shop to shop just because its a couple hundred bucks cheaper to do it elsewhere. In the long run, the relationship you end up building with your workshop/tuner will save you much more.

:driver:
 

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I think what azmir wants is just something that will go a little bit quicker without compromising too much on moolah and reliability. What ECU and performance that you get is subjective to what your tuner is familiar with. Please do not tell your tuner to plug in a PFC, motec, fcon when he is extremely good in e-manage and tells him you want to get the optimal result with this and that mods just because someone tells you that this ecu is good and you've read a godzillion good reviews on them.

What i'll suggest is approach your tuner and let them decide for you. If you are bounded to a e-manage then go and approach a reputable e-manage guy. Just a rough idea for you what to do to get to your hp range(budget):

300-330hp easy otc
1)e-manage
2)decat, straight flow exhaust, j-pipe
3)intake filter,aftermarket fmic
4)stock turbine at 0.85 bar
5)fpr optional

400hp easy otc
all of above and:
1)headgasket, headstuds
2)aftermarket turbine
3)aftermarket clutch
4)aftermarket injectors
5)aftermarket afm / maf

All above are budget and non-track build, the result you get is as good as how good your tuner is confident with his tune and choice of ecu. Don't come bullshit me say you can't get this and that hp with just this and that mod, it just boils down to how aggressive your tuner is(and be confident enough to tell you its safe). I've seen how crazy some tunes are, gets every extra juice and still runs strong. Gotta see gotta believe.
 

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I agree with cosmicgate on choosing a tuner you trust explicitly for this particular project, outlining your goals and going with whatever ECU he recommends that you run if that is what the tuner is most comfortable with and is positive of delivering results. Some may not agree with this approach however bear in mind that we are not talking outrageous expectations here - Blood Red is simply after a set-up that will allow him to produce a maximum of 400hp. That I believe is achievable with just about any decent ECU.

However, from what I gather from past discussions with Blood Red, this project does not have a limitless budget and as such he requires modifications that give him the best bang for his buck (not engine go bang ok! hahahah). Note that he's not trying to skimp or cut corners but only looking for the best value for his money.

With that in mind, I believe the path I outlined previously allows for the least amount of surprises as any failures or broken parts down the road will only add to the cost of the project and throw him off his schedule. Either way, I think all of the suggestions given so far are worth considering and none are without merit. I just took the liberty of arranging them in such a way that the chances of nasty surprises are minimized. I hope Blood Red doesn't mind. :driver:
 

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You all have your points and I appreciate the candid feedback. Certainly I will take it under consideration.

Pimpin, of course I don't mind. Sometimes it is difficult to focus on what upgrade to do next, especially when budget is low, and to have someone who has had the experience of going through the modification motions spell it out in detail is very helpful indeed. The mindset, mine at least, is to buy the next thing that will net me the most gain.

However, having a small budget also means that I am not in a rush to buy anything. Everything needs to be properly considered. I am sure you know, for those who regularly communicate with me, that I tend to move from one item to the next, from big turbines to ECU to widebands to brakes etc. Cluttered as it may seem, this is how I usually process things hahahhahaha... and it has worked for me in the past!

This topic so happens because I am reading a lot on tuning and of course a little 'knocking' incident that happened recently which freaked me out. The EMU is just something that is affordable and I just wanted to throw the idea out in this forum, to see if anyone in here has ever used it before, specifically on RB25DET.

Anyways, it will be a long journey before BR250 can become BR400. There are several options mentioned that I can really consider, mostly because they're relatively inexpensive and hiding the cost from the MOF will be a lot easier. Astarghfirullah hehheheheh

Again, thank you for your comments/suggestions.

Wassalam

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You all have your points and I appreciate the candid feedback. Certainly I will take it under consideration.

Pimpin, of course I don't mind. Sometimes it is difficult to focus on what upgrade to do next, especially when budget is low, and to have someone who has had the experience of going through the modification motions spell it out in detail is very helpful indeed. The mindset, mine at least, is to buy the next thing that will net me the most gain.

However, having a small budget also means that I am not in a rush to buy anything. Everything needs to be properly considered. I am sure you know, for those who regularly communicate with me, that I tend to move from one item to the next, from big turbines to ECU to widebands to brakes etc. Cluttered as it may seem, this is how I usually process things hahahhahaha... and it has worked for me in the past!

This topic so happens because I am reading a lot on tuning and of course a little 'knocking' incident that happened recently which freaked me out. The EMU is just something that is affordable and I just wanted to throw the idea out in this forum, to see if anyone in here has ever used it before, specifically on RB25DET.

Anyways, it will be a long journey before BR250 can become BR400. There are several options mentioned that I can really consider, mostly because they're relatively inexpensive and hiding the cost from the MOF will be a lot easier. Astarghfirullah hehheheheh

Again, thank you for your comments/suggestions.

Wassalam
 

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You all have your points and I appreciate the candid feedback. Certainly I will take it under consideration.

Pimpin, of course I don't mind. Sometimes it is difficult to focus on what upgrade to do next, especially when budget is low, and to have someone who has had the experience of going through the modification motions spell it out in detail is very helpful indeed. The mindset, mine at least, is to buy the next thing that will net me the most gain.

However, having a small budget also means that I am not in a rush to buy anything. Everything needs to be properly considered. I am sure you know, for those who regularly communicate with me, that I tend to move from one item to the next, from big turbines to ECU to widebands to brakes etc. Cluttered as it may seem, this is how I usually process things hahahhahaha... and it has worked for me in the past!

This topic so happens because I am reading a lot on tuning and of course a little 'knocking' incident that happened recently which freaked me out. The EMU is just something that is affordable and I just wanted to throw the idea out in this forum, to see if anyone in here has ever used it before, specifically on RB25DET.

Anyways, it will be a long journey before BR250 can become BR400. There are several options mentioned that I can really consider, mostly because they're relatively inexpensive and hiding the cost from the MOF will be a lot easier. Astarghfirullah hehheheheh

Again, thank you for your comments/suggestions.

Wassalam

---------- Post added at 12:39 PM ---------- 6 hour anti-bump limit - Previous post was at 12:39 PM ----------

You all have your points and I appreciate the candid feedback. Certainly I will take it under consideration.

Pimpin, of course I don't mind. Sometimes it is difficult to focus on what upgrade to do next, especially when budget is low, and to have someone who has had the experience of going through the modification motions spell it out in detail is very helpful indeed. The mindset, mine at least, is to buy the next thing that will net me the most gain.

However, having a small budget also means that I am not in a rush to buy anything. Everything needs to be properly considered. I am sure you know, for those who regularly communicate with me, that I tend to move from one item to the next, from big turbines to ECU to widebands to brakes etc. Cluttered as it may seem, this is how I usually process things hahahhahaha... and it has worked for me in the past!

This topic so happens because I am reading a lot on tuning and of course a little 'knocking' incident that happened recently which freaked me out. The EMU is just something that is affordable and I just wanted to throw the idea out in this forum, to see if anyone in here has ever used it before, specifically on RB25DET.

Anyways, it will be a long journey before BR250 can become BR400. There are several options mentioned that I can really consider, mostly because they're relatively inexpensive and hiding the cost from the MOF will be a lot easier. Astarghfirullah hehheheheh

Again, thank you for your comments/suggestions.

Wassalam
bro, are you still running on stock exhaust system? The best bang for buck now is my step one guide to 330hp, its cheap and you definitely can feel the difference.

1)full straight flow exhaust system from halfcut (nurspec-r, kakimotor mega n1, bee-r,etc etc) = rm 600 ish

2)decat pipe ebay? rm250ish

3)j pipe ebay? rm250 ish

4)fmic? no idea bro, rm 1k?

5)manual boost controller, rm100 ish?

and finally the last piece to go with stage 1*drum rolls*ta ta ta ta!

6)e-manage

results, feel the power, get addicted, stage 2 comes!
 

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bro, are you still running on stock exhaust system? The best bang for buck now is my step one guide to 330hp, its cheap and you definitely can feel the difference.

1)full straight flow exhaust system from halfcut (nurspec-r, kakimotor mega n1, bee-r,etc etc) = rm 600 ish

2)decat pipe ebay? rm250ish

3)j pipe ebay? rm250 ish

4)fmic? no idea bro, rm 1k?

5)manual boost controller, rm100 ish?

and finally the last piece to go with stage 1*drum rolls*ta ta ta ta!

6)e-manage

results, feel the power, get addicted, stage 2 comes!
cosmicgate,

1. Done. Straight flow.
2. Refer to #1
3. J pipe? Is this the elbow pipe where the O2 sensor is? If yes, then no. :)
4. Not yet, but I have my sights on the ER34 Trust FMIC set.
5. Done.
6. Undecided.

Hehehe....
 

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Pardon my ignorance, but what's the difference between full exhaust set-up and a decat pipe? I always thought that while upgrading the exhaust system, you can choose to decat or not to make it less restrictive? But always see others listing these as seperate things. Is it an assumption that you didn't decat during your initial upgrade?
 

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I think decat pipe refers to the pipe section that will be put in place of the cat converter.

I may be wrong tho
 

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But it is considered as part of the exhaust system right?

I guess from my understanding others tend to assume that during the exhaust upgrade, decat-ing have not took place yet.
 

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