Need to choose between waja campro or chevrolet optra

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Pros & Cons:

Waja:

1. Easier to maintain, spare parts plenty even for Campro model.
2. Forget about people saying no power (that only applies for the automatic model), but if u upgrade the stock standard exhaust manifold to those after market extractor and remove the CAT, the low end power will increase.
3. Better resale value.
4. Parts interchangeable with Mitsubishi Lancer MX or FTO (plenty of future upgrades).
5. Many Waja clubs to join, WPC, WRC... etc...

Optra:
1. Expensive maintain because it is a Korean car and most parts are fully imported. An oil filter costs RM 35, air filter another RM 50 and most Japanese parts won't fit it well without mods.
2. Lousy resale value - expect to drop more than 60% after 3 years of ownership. Ask any Kia/Hyundai owners out there.
3. Clubs? Are there any?
4. A 2005 model would probably be a lemon because after long exposure to our local climate, plastic parts will start to creak and crack (u won't see it until a year or so).
5. How reliable is the Korean engine? Quite actually but don't expect to bolt-on turbo or do crazy internal mods because unlike Japanese cars, parts are hard to come by. And even if u manage to track down a used chop parts, u can't use most of it because Korean cars are LHD!

BTW, Proton also recycle unsold models as new. Eg. A 2007 Gen2 could be a 2005 or 2006 batch left to bake under the hot sun outside Proton Edar without u knowing it. Why? My bro's Gen2 2007 model is falling apart, majority due to cheap plastic parts cracking here n there.

A side note: Don't buy used Japanese cars if u r not a motorhead or really don't know how to maintain an old car properly. U will end up spending more money than a new one. Seriously. I drive an 18 year old Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 and so far, I've spend more than a new Perodua Viva 1.0 Premium to maintain it as well as upgrade many worn out parts with performance ones. Yes, it will definitely eat many new cars for breakfast, lunch and dinner but u need plenty of patience and money.
 
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isn't there any other choices besides the optra n waja?
 

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shall i demand the final decision from the thread starter? Usually we will never know what's the final decision from thread starter. :biggrin: just a stupid thought.
 

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BS, I heard someone is building a 300WHP Coupe... u ar? :)
 

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Chevrolet or Proton, is that really that difficult a decision?

I wouldn't even consider it a choice.

*Proton Bashing Day!*
 

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almost everyone has vote for the optra...shows how much we love our own cars, haha
 

zan

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i would say if u geting a waja, y not consider a 2nd hand.
year03 for 30+k, dirt cheap
yeah, only if you buy the 1.6X premium spec. it comes with twin airbags, ABS, EBD, traction control and automatic climate control. it also has leather seats and rear adjustable headrests which none of other 1.6 Wajas have.

pay about 30-33K and make sure it has good service history.

that Waja 1.6X is worth every penny for the all equipment, compare to 1.8X, 1.6 EV or 1.6 Campro.
 

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The Optra, hands down.

You are getting quite a LOT of car for that money. This is a Civic/Altis class car selling for Waja money. I can tell you this because my sister just bought a CBU Optra 5 for 61k. It is a bargain for what you get for your money. About maintenance and fuel consumption and other running costs, obviously you should be expecting it to be around Civic/Altis class as well. Besides, service is every 10k km so should lessen the blow a bit. Everything about the car is solid (much better than a Waja) and it comes fully equipped. And, did I mention that the Optra 5 is much much better looking than the Waja. No brainer really.

Before my sis got it, I had my doubts, mainly because of its Korean origins, but now that I've got a taste of the car I think its a serious bargain.

Although, bear in mind I'm talking about the Optra 5 (CBU). I'm not so sure about the sedan.

And speaking of depreciation, who the fuck cares anyway? The market is shit and resale value in general is shit. And Protons aren't holding value like they used to. Plus, they disintegrate as quickly as our government buildings.
 
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yeah, only if you buy the 1.6X premium spec. it comes with twin airbags, ABS, EBD, traction control and automatic climate control. it also has leather seats and rear adjustable headrests which none of other 1.6 Wajas have.

pay about 30-33K and make sure it has good service history.

that Waja 1.6X is worth every penny for the all equipment, compare to 1.8X, 1.6 EV or 1.6 Campro.
Zan, but 1.6X stop production before PROTON release 1.8 Drive by Wire Renault engine, it's quite old if I'm not mistaken.

My friend got a 1.6X for more than 70K, and few months later, his car submarine during last KL flood. :biggrin:
 

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The Optra, hands down.

Before my sis got it, I had my doubts, mainly because of its Korean origins, but now that I've got a taste of the car I think its a serious bargain.

Although, bear in mind I'm talking about the Optra 5 (CBU). I'm not so sure about the sedan.

And speaking of depreciation, who the fuck cares anyway? The market is shit and resale value in general is shit. And Protons aren't holding value like they used to. Plus, they disintegrate as quickly as our government buildings.
si|verfish never trust Korean car. :laugh:
btw, what technology drive that 10,000KM/service engine I wonder, it apply to other Chevy car as well.
 
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yeah true...the market value will always be changing, so never really know the depreciation
 

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si|verfish never trust Korean car. :laugh:
btw, what technology drive that 10,000KM/service engine I wonder, it apply to other Chevy car as well.
It's all cool BlackSamurai. I know the Koreans are making improvements by leaps and bounds.

Regarding service intervals, modern engines with modern design and manufacturing processes PLUS modern oil technology almost ensures that engines can go longer without service, 10k - 20k should be expected. 5000km service intervals are so 20 years ago. Don't ask me why some manufacturers still recommend 5000km. Although I do have a few theories. Maybe zan with his insider knowledge can shed a light on this.
 

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Regarding service intervals, modern engines with modern design and manufacturing processes PLUS modern oil technology almost ensures that engines can go longer without service, 10k - 20k should be expected. 5000km service intervals are so 20 years ago. Don't ask me why some manufacturers still recommend 5000km. Although I do have a few theories. Maybe zan with his insider knowledge can shed a light on this.
why me? pulling my legs aa...dun play-play aa..

ok, IMO, many luxury cars (example BMW) have Service lamp at the instrument meter to advise the driver. and it does not come on until 15-20 thou kms.

VW and Audi cars are designed with 'sealed' engines, the oil is meant for lifetime usage. but the SERVICE light can be programmed, which explains why VW Malaysia recommends 15K service interval or 1 year, whichever comes first.

1st model Toyota Yaris didnt need 1st service until 20,000 miles, that is 32,000km. that was in UK 9 years ago.

I believe the reasons to why local franchise workshops recommend every 5,000km interval are purely for profit making. come to think on this...

We want to sell new cars and people definitely wont buy cars without warranty.

in order to claim warranty, the franchise need to make service centres available.

but why have SC that caters to warranty only when they can make easy money?

hence the reasons to why servicing is needed every 5,000km.

IMO Toyota makes owner choose between 2 grades of oil, the synthetic one can goes to 10,000km intervals.

Alfa Romeo cars every 10,000km using MOBIL 1 (this was when I worked there in 1996)

Volvo cars every 15,000km. (full synthetic)

Kia cars every 10,000km (full syntehtic)
 
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yeah its crazy...bmw is like 20k every service but the new honda civic is every 5k!
 

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zan; that's one of the assumptions I would make ie. profits. These guys want to squeeze as much out of their "valued" (value geddit) customers as possible therefore the rather 1960s maintenance intervals.

kk13; I'm very surprised that Honda (who is ever crowing about their advanced veeee tec engines) needs buyers of its brand spanking new and modern Civic, to be serviced every 5000km. Could somebody find out what it the recommended service intervals for the same or equivalent model in other countries?
 

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simple google search, in the UK, honda - 12.5k MILES(20k+ kms) , toyota 10k MILES(16k kms). take that into account that their insurance rates are super sensitive with the slightest details, its all about the money.
 

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