DIY the "probably the only real FUEL SAVER"

[icecube]

been "years" i didnt check up on this topic , so any update ? :D


Would like to build another unit for testing again. Another different design. most probably the spiral design but the problem is to get a welder to weld the tubing or plate together ... and of coz getting a 316 tubing would be hard and costly.

anyone can supply or know where i can get?

 

[dokaugot]

been "years" i didnt check up on this topic , so any update ? :D


Would like to build another unit for testing again. Another different design. most probably the spiral design but the problem is to get a welder to weld the tubing or plate together ... and of coz getting a 316 tubing would be hard and costly.

anyone can supply or know where i can get?

I really hope no one will quit this project.
I hope i can help with my electronic knowledge.
EFIE, COSM-II, or PWM, hope can help u all.

 

[dokaugot]

Found out another thing.

Baking soda and Baking power is different.

Use only Baking soda (pure 99% sodium bicarbonate) rather then Baking Powder (mixture of corn flour,soudium bicarbonate and some other stuff making it more acid based).

I tried both. And Baking Powder cause the water to become like curry. Reddish brownish and dirty. Baking Soda only add a little bit of brownish to the water but still clear. And both have the same gas out put (as dynoed using my eyes).

USE ONLY BAKING SODA ... NOT BAKING POWDER!! (U can get at giant for RM0.99 in a small bottle near the cake assesories department)

the best is NaOH-Natrium Hydroxide

 

[dokaugot]

After testing the setup for days and days. i finally think it have to stop here.
I'll be removing the cell out tomorrow. Why?

1. No FC improvement. (FC become worst even!)
2. No power gained. (Car getting heavier and uphill is really underpower)
3. Drain more battery power. (Light dimmed badly, aircond drain badly)

Probably my design is wrong. I'll have to try other designs.

But i am running water injection system which turn out to get more mileage and more power (smoother) accelerations. Very simple system.

Usual stock getting max out 450km but usually 400km.
With Hydro cell max out 400 but usually 380km.
With water injection max out 500km but usually around 470km.

I'll stick with water injection for the time being.....

Hope u dont quit, but if u do, can u give all your item to me? hehe

 

[donCityZ]

Hope u dont quit, but if u do, can u give all your item to me? hehe

i think icecube problem is the cell is drawing too much current from battery. so his alternator also not enough power to support back the battery at engine running.

u should limit it to arnd say 10A, maybe. (or equivalent of spot light power). then aim to make the gas production more efficient. hence some unit made in overseas uses PWM.

 

[icecube]

wah been 10 months i have not check up on this topic, anyway, to update you all, i have NOT quit on this yet even with the first try failure. We learn from mistake.

What doncityz mention is true, my previous (1st model) was drawing too much power from the alternator thus engine lack in power. I think i am drawing near to 20A. Which is so wrong.

Anyway, I found a friend who made few sample for me to test and its drawing around 5 to 8amp and so far, power and fuel saving is noticeable!
I am planning to fit a PWM (i have this for sale too) to boost up the performance from 5A to maybe 10A or 15A max since i drive short distance and it takes time to warm the HHO unit to achieve enough gas.
Once its up and running, can lower down the current and cruise nicely.

Will post more details when i am back from outstation.... I am sure some bro have this project still going on... please post up and lets share the knowledge... cheers~!!

 

[donCityZ]

wah still continue aa this project icecube? good.. as for me, i totally abandoned it. becoz i just have tonnes of ideas, but no facility/tools/materials/time. so now, im back to the old method of fuel saving = lighter foot hahaha

 

[icecube]

hey bro doncityz,

my old ke70 is easier to start now after running the hho cell for few weeks now. indeed a cleaner combustion i guess.
what idea do u have? maybe i can show u my current unit and we can share more idea or suggestion.

 

[jtys]

wah been 10 months i have not check up on this topic, anyway, to update you all, i have NOT quit on this yet even with the first try failure. We learn from mistake.

What doncityz mention is true, my previous (1st model) was drawing too much power from the alternator thus engine lack in power. I think i am drawing near to 20A. Which is so wrong.

Anyway, I found a friend who made few sample for me to test and its drawing around 5 to 8amp and so far, power and fuel saving is noticeable!
I am planning to fit a PWM (i have this for sale too) to boost up the performance from 5A to maybe 10A or 15A max since i drive short distance and it takes time to warm the HHO unit to achieve enough gas.
Once its up and running, can lower down the current and cruise nicely.

Will post more details when i am back from outstation.... I am sure some bro have this project still going on... please post up and lets share the knowledge... cheers~!!

Hi bro. I'm interested in the PWM u mentioned. Can I have a look at it soon? Can I have ur contact? Thanks

 

[wolf64]

Well, guys, its not that easy, with the hydrogen story.
1. It will not have the impact in a injection engine, you are thinking, because you get the O2 from the hydrogen generator true the engine into the exhaust, O2 sensor; That means he will measure too much O2 and will richen the fuel. I know, instead save gasoline, the consumption will go up.
2. Better is to use it on a carburettor engine, although the measurement was never stable, (up and down)
3. I made with my friends a couple of thousand kilometers tests with my hydrogen generator and the results always changed. It depends much on the heat of the fluid.
4. I started with 5 Amp. the longer you use it, the hotter get the fluid, the higher get the Amps. After about 1 hour, sometimes less then that, it will cook, the plastic connections will melt.
5. My Amp. meter showed me 20 Amps after about 40 minutes. Now count: 20 A + Aircon Compressor, + Aircon Fan in and outside, + cooling fan, + Stereo and amplifier, (+ Light + Wiper + brakelight)+++
6. We started to use stainless steel tank, useing the car cooling system to cool the generator and keep the temperature stable and now they start to use a Amp. stabiliser, to keep the Amps low.
7. The tests now are concentrated to diesel engines, because for gasoline injection engines is the trouble to big. ( I have found in Internet some aftermarket devices to regulate the lambda sensor and the MAP and MAF aswell.) But I dont trust them.
8. My generator produced HO and O2 1 liter per minute.
9.I have frozzen the project for now.

One thing: Hydrogen is the lightest gas and it is highly explosiv. It is the same gas we produce, when we charge a battery. So, be very careful with!!! Good luck.

 

[icecube]

wolf64,


1. What you mention is true. But once you fitted the cell, you will feels the car are lighter to acccelerate and your right foot will not keep pressing to get the car to move,thus saving you fuel. The offset from the O2 sensor is minor and is controllable if you have a EFIE or other device like you mentioned.

2. Yes better on a carburetor engine.

3. & 4. & 5. It really depend on the design and the effectiveness of the cell to generate HHO gas from pure water when electricity is applied. Your cell produce 1Liters per min, how many Amps is it drawing by then? Is it after 40mins (when u run at 20A) ? Or at start-up you drawing 5A = 1Liters per min ?

 

[wolf64]

Icecube
The 1 liter HHO I 've got was at about 10 amps. Its quite a while since but I will get a update from my friends, as soon I get back home.(I am working outside country.)
Then I also want to get my water/Alcohol injection project started. I am looking forward to that.

 

[icecube]

Icecube
The 1 liter HHO I 've got was at about 10 amps. Its quite a while since but I will get a update from my friends, as soon I get back home.(I am working outside country.)
Then I also want to get my water/Alcohol injection project started. I am looking forward to that.

Okie, thanks for the reply. I'll check on my unit as i am running approx 5amps .... have to measure the output in liters. :D looking forward on your water alcohol injection project bro.

 

[lcchong]

anyone KOH? selling cheap2 laa....... 1 bottle RM10......
btw, anyone watch zero fossil fuel in youtube?

 

[icecube]

i got one PWM for sale. RM100. coz my cell only draw 4A for now. quite stable so no need the pwm to control the ampere.

just the pwm circuit and knob.

 

[donCityZ]

Bump this topic up as i have the following to update...

1. Well, due to the increase price in petrol RON97, I think we should get back to this project as I think its still worth considering that the price and performance that we get after installing these HHO generator.

2. I have few units made which is quite easy to install and maintain (durable material and spare parts are available for purchase seperately if any problem or wear and tear). Anyone who intrested to get them installed (DIY style since this is DIY section), you can gimme a pm. I'll have the pictures sorted out soon and give you guys the details on DIY.

3. I have my own unit running at 6amps which is a 8 cell setup. The generator and reservoir are located at the back trunk (i drive an old Toyota Corlla KE70 [second project car] with stock 4k (a 1.3liters engine) ). Wiring straight from battery and into a controlable PWM module which also house an Amp meter. I have to measure the output liter per min as i think thru this method we can only tell if the generator is generating enough output to sustain the engine/fuel.

Overall after been running for few days, i feels the respond, acceleration, pick up have tremendously increased. I am sure the decrease in fuel consumption will be noticeable. Will report back here if any more new discovery .

So, who still running their cell in their car?

Any reports on your guinea pig car, icecube? Pls share. Can save fuel?

 

[icecube]

Any reports on your guinea pig car, icecube? Pls share. Can save fuel?

Guess what? I had a new design running for few months now. I ran it at only 4A and i dont know the actual output per liter per min, but what i can feel is.... the car is lighter ,easier to start, lower rpm and easier to rev ..

here is the best part, to answer your question, YES it SAVES fuel!!!
How can i know?

I usually fill up to the top of my tank, so usually i ran 250km for RM50 (RM1.8/L) [sometimes even RM60 if jams] , after alot of tanks, it went accurately at 250KM for RM43 (RM1.80/L). Almost every tank it gives the same reading. A few tank were bad due to traffic jams but it was accurate most of the time at RM43. I fill always to the top until the bugger snap and fuel flowing out one. huhuhuh...

So, I save RM8 per tank. I usually ran like 1tank per week, so one month i save RM8x4= RM32. One year I save RM32x12 = RM384.

But now, i run around quite alot, so 2 tank per week. RM8 x 8 = RM64 per month. RM68 x 12 months = RM816.

Not much of a saving but I would say the saving is on the engine worn part. Eventually the plugs last long and its cleaner , carbon is lesser , less drag on accelerator , and engine is easier to start.

Not much of a saving also, so i guess i'll ditch the unit and find something that can saves me more... uehehhehe...

Actually I am making a few units for sale, as some of my friend thought impossible to achieved the said result. Low ampere, high output, low heat, easy maintenance, safe and reliable.

Alot of people have this kind of concept, hydrogen = kaboom!

I tell you this, there is once i forgot to switch off the switch (i use manual switch for the cell) and it ran like half an hour at 4A. I went back and start the car, no kaboom also. This i guess is because we make the hydrogen on demand. So, its just water if you dont activate it.

You drink water ,will you kaboom? :D hehehe. We dont put the output of the HHO cell on a flame. Its at the air filter hose, sucking in thru the caburator/intake manifold. So, its safe enough and no kaboom one.

Even if the cell is leaking, you only get water + catalyst . Not fuel or any liquid that will explode or anything.

Anyhow, I am preparing the last stage of the HHO cell for sale. Will only produce a small quantity as its too much work involve in this production. I think roughly around 5 unit for sale @ RM400 each set without installation.

I will upload more photos when i get them.

 

[icecube]

huhu.. nobody update their HHO cell ?

anyway, i changed the plate configuration and ditch the catalyst and run on pure water only. running on 5 cell in the bottle. which ii also change the bottle to cheaper material type but still can withstand engine heat and transparent can see the water level and how dirty inside.

will post more resuLT when its running in my car after a week. by the look of it, its drawning 8amp and output seem higher. lets see how it goes after one week.

nobody doing this project anymore? fuel price increase very soon oohh.... ~~

 

[ezrider]

interesting.. bump for u.
if got budget, who knows, will be in touch :)

 

[levin818]

Did your circuit auto shut down the battery power when you switch off the ignition key?
If yes then we need not worried about kaboom thingy. One time no kaboom doesn't mean that its safe for the next right? IMHO, safety is the 1st concern issue for this project.
As what i notice, our ECU can only take ±10% tolerance in injector's signal (PWM's duty cycle). So the most we can safe the fuel is to run the ECU at -10% of the PWM's duty cycle. Unless we have piggy back ECU to further correct the injector's signal, otherwise its no meaning to produce more hydrogen than our ECU can take it. Please correct me if i'm wrong ya

 

[icecube]

so long never update.

anyway, i been on idle mode for this HHO until i found out my car fuel is getting very bad. so now i am trying to do up the generator and probably make new design since i saw on youtube can use SS washer to make those tiny generator.

i am back on +-+-+- setting on 10 cells setup. running on pure pipe water. cold start at 2A , going up to 4A after few hundred KM. Have to flush and refill new clean water.

was thinking to make those washer type drycell. look good on youtube. and cost should be pretty cheap if can source. and the tricky part is the gasket material and cutting.

i think this topic is too long and many sifu already back off from this long long topic.should create a new one for 2010 with proper details.

 

[donCityZ]

icecube, have you tried using PWM? with good PWM running higher voltage but smaller timing, the Amps will be less, but yet the gas will be more. If you have PWM circuit that sends out pulses of like 50Volts (via boost converter cct), but the duty cycle of the pulse made to be small, like 10% etc (but adjustable), I think you'd get better results.

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But for me, I scared to try on my car (really sayang).. and also, dont have the tools to create such circuit. only knows a lil theory here and there.

 

[infinity.melvin]

hey guys, a little off topic from HHO device.. wanna ask your opinions on this air charger. claims to save 15% on fuel.. dunno true or not. looks interesting
http://www.zerotohundred.com/newfor...ering-air-charger-saves-petrol-10-15-a-2.html

 

[icecube]

donz,
nope, i dont have a good pwm. i guess we have to use what we have in hand now. the dry cell looks good but i doesnt have time yet to go and get the stuff to build one. plus the raw material even 304 plate are freaking expensive now... not to mention the 316...

tomorrow might be going out to hunt for some stuff like gasket and plate , hopefully everything is easy to be found.

btw, i tried removed the hho generator, but i just cant live without it. the car performance sucks and idling is bad.... i just had to put it back on to regain the proper power and fuel saving. atfirst i tot its not giving big impact on my engine... but probably due to the tuning was done after i had the HHO running... and it was a carb ...so if removed hho have to retune everything again.... better just put the hho back and run it and see some fuel saved.

wish to build a washer type hho.... i think i roughly know how to do one, just need to source the plate either 304 or 316 and the gasket....

nobody is playing with HHO anymore ????
by far, i think this is the best mod for fuel saving, even though its abit troublesome but i see very significant improvement now, after more design and more testing... if time and money is not an issue, sure i will go all out on this project.... too bad i have a full time job and a part time job and an online job to do daily just enough to have a decent living.... sigh!

HHO for life.

 

[icecube]

I manage to get all the stuff today. need time to build one now......

washer hydrogen cell.

something like this
.., YouTube - (Video 32) NEW Washer DryCell Hydrogen Generator Design (HHO, Brown's Gas, Hydroxy)
not sure how much gas i am getting ......... i cant find cheap 304 or 316L washer... it was RM15 each for a small 304 washer and i need like 21pcs of it so its 21x RM15 = RM3XX ? so i just bought some cheapo metal washer to try out first. only cost rm0.80 each . LOL!
cant seem to find the gasket as recommended so i just went to my regular bike shop and get a free used tyres and cut them according to size. hope it works and seal between the plate.

seem like this topic is dead. probably becoz fuel is cheap at rm1.85 ?
i doing this project not coz of fuel price, but becoz of how drastically it improve my car performance interm of acceleration and pick up and engine really quiet. i cant even imagine my car is running without this. probably its an old 26yrs old car.

anyway, hope those who still into this HHO project can share some info or your project. maybe can work some better design or something.... ?

HHO for life.