Road Bully BLACK CITY BJW 1037

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  1. FVel

    FVel Senior Member
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    It's classified as vehicular assault under the law. Knowingly trying to wreck someone's car with the likely consequences that the victim could be seriously hurt or killed is an attempt at causing grevious bodily harm at the very least, and/or attempted murder, depending on the level of severity the prosecution wants to proceed.

    If you don't know what you are on about, don't try to sound off like a smart-alec sohai.
     
  2. viostar

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    cmng, I agreed what u said.....:listen:
     
  3. cmng

    cmng Senior Member
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    Fvel
    if you read earlies posting
    the victim trying to press attempting murder charge rather than dangerous driving

    it point like if you accuse me to death end
    why not i drag you together to death end
    got the point..

    In reality, it do happen on my friend
    just whether you willing take this drastic action only or not when you at death end

    and want to play hard also play in cautiously
     
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  4. nurburing

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    nola, depends on wat mood lor, it also rarely happens to me, if anyone stupid enough to challenge my oldskool conti
     
  5. FVel

    FVel Senior Member
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    cmng,

    I know what the victim wrote earlier.

    First of all, you are missing an important point. If the victim can prove the charge, he is entitled under the law to pursue that charge against the people who assaulted him.

    That is his legal entitlement if he chooses to exercise it.

    If he wants to try and nail the guy to the fullest extent that the law allows and is not intimidated by the prospect of having to go through the aggravation of a long and costly court battle, then it's his choice.

    Whether the whole thing is worth it or not is something he must weigh for himself assuming he is getting good legal advice from credible legal practitioners who are telling him honestly the hard challenges that he will be facing should he go to full trial.

    This guy is just telling what happened from his personal perspective. He's not asking for legal advice.

    I think he's smart enough to know that there are better places to go for legal advice...certainly not ZTH .....a motley group of car enthusiasts, but some of you (especially that one fellow) is talking like he's the legendary re-incarnation of Justice Soong.
     
  6. mick87

    mick87 5 Year | Silver

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    ok lo..not so innocent la, that's why i said it could my mistake too for not giving way..lesson learned
     
  7. EGNINE

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    :adore: respect
     
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    sad!!!
     
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  9. donCityZ

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    This is not rocket science for godsake!!
    Like you said " If the victim can prove the charge,..."

    THats the THING LA.. this Vios guy CANNOT PROVE!! Because:
    1. No video.
    2. No witness
    3. Vehicles all are not at the incident site already.
    4. Vios rear not damaged, but instead front is damaged, and city rear is damaged.

    I am not giving any legal advice either (as im not qualified), but I am just explaning to him why the cops is telling him he will lose easily if he brings this case to court bcoz in the end, all 4 facts i listed above remains.

    ---------- Post added at 02:52 AM ---------- 6 hour anti-bump limit - Previous post was at 02:34 AM ----------

    My vast experience is I have involved in many accidents before. I never claim Im expert, but just speaking from my experience.. bcos thats how the traffic officers will deduce a conclusion on any accidents. You can go over them, by bring case to court, but the question is, you got proof or not?
    This is the main point.

    Side damages I am pretty sure the City also have. Side damages means squat if both cars have them.
    But if car A has front damages and car B has rear damages, then car A is on thin ice.

    Damn you are so unbelievable. Video is the best evidence. But also I mentioned about witnesses. But since both are absent, what that leave you? Just the hard evidence - damages/conditions of cars. And currently from pictures, all points to "Vios hit City"..

    Dude, seriously. I know you want to boast your legal and laws jobs. But traffic cops are handling accidents everyday... and they have a set of rules to follow when judging who is at fault when accidents happens. You think every single accidents happens must go to lawyers??

    Agree on the last part here. But by reading his story, and seeing the photo of the Vios, I have a wild guess that he won't stand a chance, especially if the City guy stay with their own version story (sure will say Vios hit their car, chase them, and at traffic light, hantam their car butt.. etc etc). But don't take my word for it lah... better ask loyars... who knows.. nowadays good loyars can pusing a case till kingdom come also. Innocent also become guilty lidat. :thefinger:
     
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  10. FVel

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    Don,

    In terms of credibility, we only need to refer back to some of your previous statements to get an appreciation of the stupidity of your logic. Here you go :-

    I thought I have heard every lame dick excuse that people can throw up about what legally constitutes an attempted assault, but that has got to be some of the funniest bullshit I have the displeasure to read :rofl:

    Well, I can try to talk to you all night about evidentiary rules and what is really meant by circumstantial evidence and its admissability, as opposed to other forms of evidence ....but what's the point ? You're just too thick to understand any of it.

    But be it lar. You think what you want.
     
  11. nurburing

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    Yes, everything is about proof. Both cars have passengers inside. If both cars' passengers can become alibi to each drivers, its is pretty confusing to the police. And there is actually no death case here, nobody dies. To them, seems to be 2 parties also claiming they are tell the truth.

    Unless a video can be seen that the City attempt to side ramming the vios, a clear shot of video the City hitting the vios more than 3 times, then bring to court confirm can win.

    Otherwise, the person with the most $$ and influence will walk away. If I am the victim and the assault driver ready to pay for the damage, I will screw him kau kau first, then ask him to pay for all repair and get some influenced gangster to talk to him. Coz if losing in the court u may face summons, demerits points and ending up fixing the car ur own. Need to be wise to settle things, the world never seems fair all the time. You gotta be wiser.
     
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    Still no witnesses who have come forward? for an incident that stretched across 12KM approx, I am sure there should be ample witnesses.. but since this incident happened in klang, question is would any of them even be bothered to come forward and back your claims up...Has your friend tried posting in other forums as well in order to gain maximum exposure? word of mouth alone would take time...

    Of course there are always other options for both parties, but better not to suggest these :).. All the best to "victim" hope you get justice!
     
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    cant comment much, pure noob here, but learnt some neat stuff from the many long posts :D

    but just wondering la...

    if they can take those handprints and somehow prove that those belong to the city's driver, it tallies with the vios' story, which claims that the city feller came down from his car etc. etc.

    but it wont tally with the city's story, which claims that the vios driver only hit-and-ran away from his car, if so how to get the driver's prints on the vios' bonnet? unless he sed that they both came down from the car la, arguments ensued bla etc. bla etc. then back to square one

    in which case...this would be a redundant post hehe
     
  14. donCityZ

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    Fvel... if you say attempted assault, then yes i agree, if vios guy speaks the truth, then the city guy has attempted an assault.. but attempted assault is FAR from attempted murder, loyar Fvel. Geez.

    Prints on the bonet actually can backfire the Vios. The city guy could say he got down to talk, then the Vios try to run him over so he had to defend himself by blocking the car with his hands.... !

    If the City guy keeps his story, and creative enough, im not surprise if the Vios end up being the guilty one. No proof.. and no witness and the car conditions only put the blame on the Vios guy. Its sad though, witnesses are hard to come by.. but if i see the event also i also dowan to end up in the middle of this crap either. honestly speaking.
     
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  15. mizunori77

    mizunori77 15 Year | Platinum

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    if Vios guy was the aggressor, why did City guy offered to settle it outside the courts?

    if Vios guy was the aggressor, why did the Inspector advice him to settle outside the courts instead of charging him right then and there for assault?

    if Vios guy is the aggressor, why risk the chance of being sued by City guy for libel/slander by posting this incident in a public forum?

    if Vios guy is the aggressor, why ask for witnesses to come forward whereby the witnesses may incriminate him instead?

    does this make sense at all to you? :biggrin:

    p/s : cmng has a point in that playing hard ball will make lives difficult for everyone, including Vios guy. at the end of the day, it's still up to Vios guy whether its worth all the time, hassle and money to pursue this.
     
  16. TitanRev

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    Thread closed upon request.

    Case is under investigation. Further assumptions are not needed, thank you.
     
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