Honda Civic FD2 VS Toyota Camry VS Honda Accord

[gunnerzz]

look west....
its a local cuisine with a french flava.

 

[DanzEterna]

camry 2.0 4 gears
camry 2.4 5 gears

if u could afford the roadtax I recommend go for 2.4L.

 

[Izso]

cos its an unker's car right? I almost bought the camry 2.4V.

There's no other car that's more unker than the Teana or Sylphy. Camry not as unker as Teana. But try side by side the unker car and it'll whoop your ass man. Personally, spec wise and driving wise, I prefer the Teana over the Camry anyday.

Yup it is, IINM. I pedal to metal that bugger still so near behind me. Couldnt even pull away an inch haha! Just testing. So, die la I 1.8L sure lose to your 2.0 during drag haha .

No pulling out now. You challenged me and you're gonna go through it. Stock vs stock. And if you think an ancient tech 1.8 is going to have anything on the equally ancient 2.0/2.4/2.5 you're dead wrong man.

i may drive fast always, its habit. but not kinda fast & furious.. lol... wifey love fd2 more than other 2 , well.. women only know the exterior, never know other.. maintenance + fuel = hubby's $, why on earth she got to give a damn??! hhahaha..

The FD2 is more handsome inside and out compared to your other cars. You might be better off with the 2.0 FD2. But space loses out to the other cars.

Thanks matey!!! yes.. generally, toyota spare parts are cheaper than Honda.. rite?

Sort of. If you compare the lower entry level cars (City vs Vios), then Toyota cheaper. But the more expensive range Camry vs Honda, Toyota still wins but that's not saying it's cheap. It's not.

is the differences between 2.0 & 2.4 huge? in term of speed? well, i still got to drive highway, im not kinda patient guy, 140-160km/hr frm KL-Penang is the best... 2.4 better then? what about driving in city? these CC hv mch different each other??

Are you kidding?

"No replacement for displacement"

Anyway, speed wise it all depends on the car itself. Some have speed limiters to 180 or more. My own 2.0 can quite easily hit top speed. I'm sure 2.4/2.5 will be equally easy. The larger the displacement, the less effort the car needs to trundle along. But don't expect good FC the bigger the car. A 2L car will have at best 10km/L to 12km/L at most. Expect less for a larger CC car.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

There's no other car that's more unker than the Teana or Sylphy. Camry not as unker as Teana. But try side by side the unker car and it'll whoop your ass man. Personally, spec wise and driving wise, I prefer the Teana over the Camry anyday.

No pulling out now. You challenged me and you're gonna go through it. Stock vs stock. And if you think an ancient tech 1.8 is going to have anything on the equally ancient 2.0/2.4/2.5 you're dead wrong man.

Mine is ancient 4 spd AT, yours is already modern tech with CVT and newer than mine
Never gonna pull out, i was challenged by u leh

Teana I think with the right bodykit will look good, somehow I feel that Teana would whoop Camry's ass

 

[gunnerzz]

Anyway, speed wise it all depends on the car itself. Some have speed limiters to 180 or more. My own 2.0 can quite easily hit top speed. I'm sure 2.4/2.5 will be equally easy. The larger the displacement, the less effort the car needs to trundle along. But don't expect good FC the bigger the car. A 2L car will have at best 10km/L to 12km/L at most. Expect less for a larger CC car.

thats the best fc even when cruising on highway?
imho:
for 2.0 vs 2.4, the difference in speed is not numerically significant.
what significant is how quick ot can get there.

 

[vr2turbo]

No pulling out now. You challenged me and you're gonna go through it. Stock vs stock. And if you think an ancient tech 1.8 is going to have anything on the equally ancient 2.0/2.4/2.5 you're dead wrong man.

But my very ancient 2.0 can whoop the 2.4. He need to soup his up....hahahhahahhaha

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thats the best fc even when cruising on highway?
imho:
for 2.0 vs 2.4, the difference in speed is not numerically significant.
what significant is how quick ot can get there.

Yup, 2.0 also can get to that speed but slower to reach it.....

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

But my very ancient 2.0 can whoop the 2.4. He need to soup his up....hahahhahahhaha

Yup, 2.0 also can get to that speed but slower to reach it.....

Ya, my ancient 1.8L can whoop the ancient 2.0 too. Did that with another friend's car.

 

[ixeo]

Are you kidding?

"No replacement for displacement"

Anyway, speed wise it all depends on the car itself. Some have speed limiters to 180 or more. My own 2.0 can quite easily hit top speed. I'm sure 2.4/2.5 will be equally easy. The larger the displacement, the less effort the car needs to trundle along. But don't expect good FC the bigger the car. A 2L car will have at best 10km/L to 12km/L at most. Expect less for a larger CC car.

I believe the quote you were looking for was...bigger is better.

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Mine is ancient 4 spd AT, yours is already modern tech with CVT and newer than mine
Never gonna pull out, i was challenged by u leh

Teana I think with the right bodykit will look good, somehow I feel that Teana would whoop Camry's ass

But even more ancient 1.6 litre 4A-GE in light bodies like AE101, AE111, AE92 can somehow challenge these heavy 2.0 and 2.4 litre wor.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

But even more ancient 1.6 litre 4A-GE in light bodies like AE101, AE111, AE92 can somehow challenge these heavy 2.0 and 2.4 litre wor.

Ya, even my 1.8L no match for it. Take Altzza 2.0L 3SGE Beams for example, also can take on many higher cc cars.

So not really no replacement for displacement geh hehe!

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Ya, even my 1.8L no match for it. Take Altzza 2.0L 3SGE Beams for example, also can take on many higher cc cars.

So not really no replacement for displacement geh hehe!

Displacement does matter if other factors like cam setting and compression doesn't come into calculations. All those old Toyota VVT engines are designed with aggressive cam settings to make them rev into high rpm while producing enough power. Newer engines all leaned towards better FC and emissions.

If want to talk about throttle body and valves, 4A-GE Silvertop and Blacktop also win many newer engines already. 4 throttle with 5 valves per cylinder.

 

[gunnerzz]

Displacement does matter if other factors like cam setting and compression doesn't come into calculations. All those old Toyota VVT engines are designed with aggressive cam settings to make them rev into high rpm while producing enough power. Newer engines all leaned towards better FC and emissions.

If want to talk about throttle body and valves, 4A-GE Silvertop and Blacktop also win many newer engines already. 4 throttle with 5 valves per cylinder.

agreed on the tuning of newer engine.
experienced the latest civic 1.8.
even slamming the paddle with econ mode off,it feels like pushing a kancil.
the engine seems to be very reluctant to rev and go fast.
the ride is oso jittery.
my engine debut in 1998 and the difference is huge even mine had clock 180k km.
of course the newest engine has better fc as mine is not as complicated.

 

[RENESIS VIII]

agreed on the tuning of newer engine.
experienced the latest civic 1.8.
even slamming the paddle with econ mode off,it feels like pushing a kancil.
the engine seems to be very reluctant to rev and go fast.
the ride is oso jittery.
my engine debut in 1998 and the difference is huge even mine had clock 180k km.
of course the newest engine has better fc as mine is not as complicated.

You're using Honda engine? It can't be helped. Newer engine nowadays are not focusing on response or power. Many are using drive by wire throttle as well.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

agreed on the tuning of newer engine.
experienced the latest civic 1.8.
even slamming the paddle with econ mode off,it feels like pushing a kancil.
the engine seems to be very reluctant to rev and go fast.
the ride is oso jittery.
my engine debut in 1998 and the difference is huge even mine had clock 180k km.
of course the newest engine has better fc as mine is not as complicated.

That slow even on 1.8 new civic? Hmmm...that day only one hybrid 1.5L civic struggling to keep up it seems. Tried to catch up with me but wasn't playing along I just want to get home soon.

 

[gunnerzz]

You're using Honda engine? It can't be helped. Newer engine nowadays are not focusing on response or power. Many are using drive by wire throttle as well.

nope,it was my friend ride.
so u can keep on guessing abt the secret abt my ride...hahaha

even if the newer engine has the power on paper.
it does not seems to translate on the drive

 

[Izso]

But even more ancient 1.6 litre 4A-GE in light bodies like AE101, AE111, AE92 can somehow challenge these heavy 2.0 and 2.4 litre wor.

Ya, even my 1.8L no match for it. Take Altzza 2.0L 3SGE Beams for example, also can take on many higher cc cars.

So not really no replacement for displacement geh hehe!

"Challenge" = ? Drag race? Top speed? Street driving?

Give me a 3.0 Teana over a Altis anytime. And if you're gonna start talking about turbo like Mr-wise-guy-vr2turbo then I might as well bring in Rotary to the talk.

Anyway, we're digressing, Back to TS topic

 

[gunnerzz]

in term of reliability,does the accord is the same as camry?
if yes then nomal maintenance is the same cost.
so in general,maintenance is the same.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

in term of reliability,does the accord is the same as camry?
if yes then nomal maintenance is the same cost.
so in general,maintenance is the same.

I think Toyota parts are slightly cheaper than Honda. Well says those who own both T and H before.

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"Challenge" = ? Drag race? Top speed? Street driving?

Give me a 3.0 Teana over a Altis anytime. And if you're gonna start talking about turbo like Mr-wise-guy-vr2turbo then I might as well bring in Rotary to the talk.

Anyway, we're digressing, Back to TS topic

No bro, 4AGE and 3SGE Beams still NA ma... no turbo.
(3.0L vs 1.8L Altis how to compete...at least match against IS250 F Sport 2.5L V6 ma :rolleyes: )

Ya ya back to topic

 

[RENESIS VIII]

nope,it was my friend ride.
so u can keep on guessing abt the secret abt my ride...hahaha

even if the newer engine has the power on paper.
it does not seems to translate on the drive

Probably due to the weight of these newer cars and better sound insulation. Although you are going fast, but it doesn't feel fast. That could be the reason.

"Challenge" = ? Drag race? Top speed? Street driving?

Give me a 3.0 Teana over a Altis anytime. And if you're gonna start talking about turbo like Mr-wise-guy-vr2turbo then I might as well bring in Rotary to the talk.

Anyway, we're digressing, Back to TS topic

I think Teana only got 2.0, 2.5 and 3.5... 3.5 using VQ35DE

 

[vr2turbo]

I think Toyota parts are slightly cheaper than Honda. Well says those who own both T and H before.

Ya ya back to topic

Maintenance cost is only one of the thing. Best still is for TS to test drive all three option and see which he prefers to drive. Cheaper maintenance but don't like driving it also a problem....

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Maintenance cost is only one of the thing. Best still is for TS to test drive all three option and see which he prefers to drive. Cheaper maintenance but don't like driving it also a problem....

Honda usually more sporty compared to Toyota isn't it?

 

[kenvy11]

camry 2.0 4 gears
camry 2.4 5 gears

if u could afford the roadtax I recommend go for 2.4L.

The FD2 is more handsome inside and out compared to your other cars. You might be better off with the 2.0 FD2. But space loses out to the other cars.


Sort of. If you compare the lower entry level cars (City vs Vios), then Toyota cheaper. But the more expensive range Camry vs Honda, Toyota still wins but that's not saying it's cheap. It's not.


Anyway, speed wise it all depends on the car itself. Some have speed limiters to 180 or more. My own 2.0 can quite easily hit top speed. I'm sure 2.4/2.5 will be equally easy. The larger the displacement, the less effort the car needs to trundle along. But don't expect good FC the bigger the car. A 2L car will have at best 10km/L to 12km/L at most. Expect less for a larger CC car.

thats the best fc even when cruising on highway?
imho:
for 2.0 vs 2.4, the difference in speed is not numerically significant.
what significant is how quick ot can get there.

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Yup, 2.0 also can get to that speed but slower to reach it.....[/QUOTE]

i really thought there are plenty of messages may give me more clearer but hey, thats alot out of topic texts i guess!! lol....

I really wish to own FD2 to be honest. whats make me to consider of Camry / Accord solely:" is there any others car that i can own with the same amount of $ i paying to FD2?".

i think camry is spacious car, since i am going to have another kid soon (2nd kid), space is crucial for me then, i may not give a ride much of people at the same time, at least i may bring parents / old folk with those kids. and of course, talk about comfort, i bet camry is still the best. but think wisely, i may not always do that (bring parents here and there with the kids). only few time in a year.

Bear in mind, i may bring the 2-years-old-soon and a toddle, and wife to everyway. that would be the only a car in the house at the moment. thats why i thought about the maintenance / problematic issue.

My daily routine is send the kid to the baby sitter / kindergarden early in the morning and of course pick her up at late evening, whilst will have my journey to work from setapak to TTDI, vice versa. the route may not cause me stuck in the heavy jam as i would take Jalan Gombak-jalan pahang-damansara height-ttdi. weekend?? erm.. window shopping.. not much to think about as young family here. $ still the essential matter here.

issue that concern me alot is the problematic of FD2, i do not wish to end-up 'feeding' the car in the worskhop more than i do on the road. comparing FD2 to Camry in term of spacious just like comparing Kancil to MYVI. despite not to that greater. whereas problematic, i hardly hear people are complaining about the Camry than FD2, perhaps bros out there may give me more information.

Think about 'what will i do the most', "my daily routine" will be the ans which will led me into choosing FD2, FC will be much better than Camry, i guess.*based on my daily routine (correct me if i am wrong) Spacious?? erm.. i do not travel to Penang that much but occasionally.

DAMN!!!! i am still in dilemma!

 

[ixeo]

Maintenance cost is only one of the thing. Best still is for TS to test drive all three option and see which he prefers to drive. Cheaper maintenance but don't like driving it also a problem....

8th gen Honda Accord should be cheaper to maintain since there's the Accordana, right?

 

[Izso]

i really thought there are plenty of messages may give me more clearer but hey, thats alot out of topic texts i guess!! lol....

I really wish to own FD2 to be honest. whats make me to consider of Camry / Accord solely:" is there any others car that i can own with the same amount of $ i paying to FD2?".

i think camry is spacious car, since i am going to have another kid soon (2nd kid), space is crucial for me then, i may not give a ride much of people at the same time, at least i may bring parents / old folk with those kids. and of course, talk about comfort, i bet camry is still the best. but think wisely, i may not always do that (bring parents here and there with the kids). only few time in a year.

Bear in mind, i may bring the 2-years-old-soon and a toddle, and wife to everyway. that would be the only a car in the house at the moment. thats why i thought about the maintenance / problematic issue.

My daily routine is send the kid to the baby sitter / kindergarden early in the morning and of course pick her up at late evening, whilst will have my journey to work from setapak to TTDI, vice versa. the route may not cause me stuck in the heavy jam as i would take Jalan Gombak-jalan pahang-damansara height-ttdi. weekend?? erm.. window shopping.. not much to think about as young family here. $ still the essential matter here.

issue that concern me alot is the problematic of FD2, i do not wish to end-up 'feeding' the car in the worskhop more than i do on the road. comparing FD2 to Camry in term of spacious just like comparing Kancil to MYVI. despite not to that greater. whereas problematic, i hardly hear people are complaining about the Camry than FD2, perhaps bros out there may give me more information.

Think about 'what will i do the most', "my daily routine" will be the ans which will led me into choosing FD2, FC will be much better than Camry, i guess.*based on my daily routine (correct me if i am wrong) Spacious?? erm.. i do not travel to Penang that much but occasionally.

DAMN!!!! i am still in dilemma!

Since you're in the same situation as me - you need to get a bigger car. The FD2 isn't big enough in the back. Get the Camry la. Close shop.

But spend a LOT of money security, don't skimp on the GSM tracker, immobilizer, etc. You need those to protect the car.

 

[vr2turbo]

8th gen Honda Accord should be cheaper to maintain since there's the Accordana, right?

You think it will be cheaper if the parts came from P1?

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Yup, 2.0 also can get to that speed but slower to reach it.....

i really thought there are plenty of messages may give me more clearer but hey, thats alot out of topic texts i guess!! lol....

I really wish to own FD2 to be honest. whats make me to consider of Camry / Accord solely:" is there any others car that i can own with the same amount of $ i paying to FD2?".

i think camry is spacious car, since i am going to have another kid soon (2nd kid), space is crucial for me then, i may not give a ride much of people at the same time, at least i may bring parents / old folk with those kids. and of course, talk about comfort, i bet camry is still the best. but think wisely, i may not always do that (bring parents here and there with the kids). only few time in a year.

Bear in mind, i may bring the 2-years-old-soon and a toddle, and wife to everyway. that would be the only a car in the house at the moment. thats why i thought about the maintenance / problematic issue.

My daily routine is send the kid to the baby sitter / kindergarden early in the morning and of course pick her up at late evening, whilst will have my journey to work from setapak to TTDI, vice versa. the route may not cause me stuck in the heavy jam as i would take Jalan Gombak-jalan pahang-damansara height-ttdi. weekend?? erm.. window shopping.. not much to think about as young family here. $ still the essential matter here.

issue that concern me alot is the problematic of FD2, i do not wish to end-up 'feeding' the car in the worskhop more than i do on the road. comparing FD2 to Camry in term of spacious just like comparing Kancil to MYVI. despite not to that greater. whereas problematic, i hardly hear people are complaining about the Camry than FD2, perhaps bros out there may give me more information.

Think about 'what will i do the most', "my daily routine" will be the ans which will led me into choosing FD2, FC will be much better than Camry, i guess.*based on my daily routine (correct me if i am wrong) Spacious?? erm.. i do not travel to Penang that much but occasionally.

DAMN!!!! i am still in dilemma!

If comfort first priority then it will be the Camry. Camry and Accord will have Managerial executive status/looks. I still say test drive the cars and see which you prefer. Buying a car you don't like to drive will be horrid.....