Public Apology

[Joeker]

I dunno much about suspension, handling and all that jazz.

But I do know tat in BASIC business ethics, u do not step down on other people's product in order to promote your own product.

You may say that your product has so and so benefits/advantages than the othe products in the market but NEVER step down on other peoples product, NEVER!!

I think someone needs more breast feeding from his mama.

 

[Acoustic]

Originally posted by fstrader@Jul 24 2004, 01:29 AM
diu!!! bring titan abs and GAB abs to dyno at an independent shop from there see it at your own eyes.

You're right

But to test longevity takes very long time wor..... dunno they got such patience or not.

Then, the issue of ride quality, performance handling and all, how to see.

I've only seen simple graphs, which doesn't tell anything.

Then there is this type which tells allot, but doesn't seem to be anyone how knows how to translate it: -

From http://www.my-acoustic.com/Car/Suspension/suspension3.htm




But hor I want to say - graphs like these are extremely difficult to describe, because they are in TIME Domain, and humans are worst in TIME Domain.

That's what 1st instrument invented and tells of reading to humans.

However due to last time's engineers / researchers are better in fundamentals hence they make another machine to convert the TIME signal into the frequency signal, hence today allot of device display in FREQUENCY Domain. Like Audio.

However Frequency response curve are also extremely difficult to understand. I took over 10 years to fully understand them. That's also because I was lucky enough to be involved in some measurement works, over 10,000 acoustical measurements was carried out over all possible conditions, looking, listening test, changing a known parameter, retest, relisten and all.

We also had to go into questioning of the measurement's equipment nature of technology, method of acquisition and all to finally come into the stage.

I can honestly tell you, not many people knows how to translate audio frequency response. Seriously.

Then if we talk about audio in it's original form, which is in TIME Domain and if we display the graph in TIME instead of FREQUENCY, even I cannot translate it.

Human brains are just not meant to look through signals using the eyes.

So, absorbers device are operating in the TIME Domain and hence the primary result is also TIME Domain, hence I think no one will be able o describe their characters properly....

Unless..... this guy sold his soul to the absorber devil, like I sold my soul to the audio devil :) hahaahah

No lah, seriously, to describe TIME Domain world by humans accurately, IMPOSSIBLE.

 

[fstr]

hehheheeh acoustic i know u are engineer lar...me know nuts about graphs or numbers mar :P but i know something about biz lar...lol :rolleyes:

 

[Acoustic]

Originally posted by CcL@Jul 24 2004, 02:07 AM
bravo acoustic...
respector!!!
how do i calculate spring rate ark?!?
battousai tell me formulas until i blur...
sumthin about curb weight, max cornering G, etc etc etc <_<

that one ar, either PM me or you open a new post, I reply there lor, but I no suspension sifu. Only try my best.

 

[ninja_iga]

:blink:

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[toyota03]

Originally posted by Joeker@Jul 24 2004, 02:12 AM
I dunno much about suspension, handling and all that jazz.

But I do know tat in BASIC business ethics, u do not step down on other people's product in order to promote your own product.

You may say that your product has so and so benefits/advantages than the othe products in the market but NEVER step down on other peoples product, NEVER!!

I think someone needs more breast feeding from his mama.

TOTALLY KOREK.....


I second this statement. ""But I do know tat in BASIC business ethics, u do not step down on other people's product in order to promote your own product.

You may say that your product has so and so benefits/advantages than the othe products in the market but NEVER step down on other peoples product, NEVER!!""

Unless we are consumer and we give LINGAM OPINIOn or LINGAM comment lorr..


:) :)

 

[toyota03]

Originally posted by Acoustic+Jul 24 2004, 02:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Acoustic @ Jul 24 2004, 02:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-fstrader@Jul 24 2004, 01:29 AM
diu!!! bring titan abs and GAB abs to dyno at an independent shop from there see it at your own eyes.

You're right

But to test longevity takes very long time wor..... dunno they got such patience or not.

Then, the issue of ride quality, performance handling and all, how to see.

I've only seen simple graphs, which doesn't tell anything.

Then there is this type which tells allot, but doesn't seem to be anyone how knows how to translate it: -

From http://www.my-acoustic.com/Car/Suspension/suspension3.htm




But hor I want to say - graphs like these are extremely difficult to describe, because they are in TIME Domain, and humans are worst in TIME Domain.

That's what 1st instrument invented and tells of reading to humans.

However due to last time's engineers / researchers are better in fundamentals hence they make another machine to convert the TIME signal into the frequency signal, hence today allot of device display in FREQUENCY Domain. Like Audio.

However Frequency response curve are also extremely difficult to understand. I took over 10 years to fully understand them. That's also because I was lucky enough to be involved in some measurement works, over 10,000 acoustical measurements was carried out over all possible conditions, looking, listening test, changing a known parameter, retest, relisten and all.

We also had to go into questioning of the measurement's equipment nature of technology, method of acquisition and all to finally come into the stage.

I can honestly tell you, not many people knows how to translate audio frequency response. Seriously.

Then if we talk about audio in it's original form, which is in TIME Domain and if we display the graph in TIME instead of FREQUENCY, even I cannot translate it.

Human brains are just not meant to look through signals using the eyes.

So, absorbers device are operating in the TIME Domain and hence the primary result is also TIME Domain, hence I think no one will be able o describe their characters properly....

Unless..... this guy sold his soul to the absorber devil, like I sold my soul to the audio devil :) hahaahah

No lah, seriously, to describe TIME Domain world by humans accurately, IMPOSSIBLE. [/b][/quote]
Wahhh Sifu Chin,


Time Domain again meh???

kkekekekekekekekekekkekekekekekeke


Can explain More detail about Time Domain ar???


:P

 

[Danny]

it's good to see more than 1 suspension co. rep here but I feel that whenever there is statement by any so called representative & counter arguments, make sure it is supported by facts & actual evidence. Otherwise it is either hearsay or bullshit.

Some people find that Stanley's criticism of other brands are a bit tackless and maybe lack some professionalism, but if it is true, he has every right to say what he wants, be it tackless or not. If not, then he's in a lot of trouble with a very likely defamation suit. If Stanley is right, we are indeed thankful that an imitation brand is exposed.

XO & Starlite, since you have joined this forum, it is the greatest opportunity for you guys to clear our doubts. If you are really selling/manufacturing original GAB absorbers, just ask GAB to issue you an authorised agent letter and the terms an condition of the agency to sell/produce GAB absorbers. That will certainly end all doubts. You may ask, why do you need to proove this to zth forumers? The answer is obvious, you are using a much respected absorber co. ie. GAB as your own. In comparison, it is similar to a local factory producing or assembling a car called Mercedes. The company must have the rights from the parent company to do so. Otherwise, they can't sell the cars as Mercedes or they would have breached copyright laws.

 

[rsctan]

aiyah..all of this started with eg`s complaint of rs one..
well personally i nv been there...but come to think of it if you say that their service is not good blaf blaf blaf...well if you bought the abs from other shops they will most probably say that they`ll need a few days to check the abs then only fix rite? this cant be done in a few minutes one marr...
i fix my abs and my car was jacked up almost for a month just to fix the abs...

bout the imitation thig i dont really know lar..but no matter who is right or wrong...we should just keep the opinion up to us...no use flaming it one the net and make it a big hassle...u got an opinion keep it to your self..others might not think that way.. <_< <_<

 

[Starlite]

just to clarify things, i'm not selling/manufacturing gab and i'm not someone from rs1. just expressing my opinion that ninja didn not use the right way.

i'm a business graduate, and yea, the basic ethic in business is we never ever talk bad abt our competitors' product in order to increase sales.

anyway, let's juz keep our opinion to ourselves and not start any flame here.

 

[Joeker]

If someone say my product is worthless shit and I'm some conman and shit like tat, I'd make sure he goes home a limp.

PS. : Indon muscle very cheap to hire.

 

[rsctan]

PS. : Indon muscle very cheap to hire.

haha..how u know one? :D :D

 

[ninja_iga]

wokie..
point taken..


PS. i'm no business graduate, learning everything the hard way :(

 

[ninja_iga]

Originally posted by Joeker@Jul 24 2004, 02:43 AM
If someone say my product is worthless shit and I'm some conman and shit like tat, I'd make sure he goes home a limp.

PS. : Indon muscle very cheap to hire.

woaaaaaah.. :blink:

wei pls stop it la. What's your thing against me la? :huh:

 

[Danny]

good point also joeker, stanley sometimes being right doesn't mean you won't get into trouble also. There are a lot of gangsters in business with strong arm tactics. Also indons and bangladeshi truly very cheap to hire, why do think they say some of the mamak store don't use generators, there's an indon/bangladeshi using a bicycle to power up the light bulbs etc. So it'll be pushing it a bit too much if u say a product is worthless,crap etc. It will be better make a review comparison of product X & Y, and the facts to proove why X is better than Y. Or get a professional 3rd party reviewer to test all the competitor products and give a thorough review.

 

[kapitan]

Aiyoh, why need to be so hard on him lar brother.. business is like this one mah. U see maxis got that stupid 2in1 hotlink plan, digi is making fun of it now. Thats the way business goes lar.

Nowadays the world outside isnt as calm as you think.. competition everywhere. When there's competition, there will be comparison.. whether its done by consumers or manufacturers. When comparisons were made, it was to let consumers know that such n such is much better than this and that, which if true, isnt a lie or con. If your product is really good n not as what your competitors claim you are, just give your customer assurance, 30days money refund or something like that. If you cant do that, that means you yourself are not confident in your product.. so how can u blame your competitor put up a fake data comparison.

I used to b a sales too.. in the very competitive spareparts industry. I have been stabbed countless times from the back.. so what. You give your customers assurance that your product is reliable or money back, and after the customer tried it, they will know good or bad. I even sell the brand i kutuk down to earth, but just b honest with them. If you take these stuff, i wont give warranty. Customer arent going to b stupid all the time, they know why this one cost more than the others unless you potong their neck.

 

[Joeker]

Originally posted by Danny@Jul 24 2004, 03:11 AM
Also indons and bangladeshi truly very cheap to hire, why do think they say some of the mamak store don't use generators, there's an indon/bangladeshi using a bicycle to power up the light bulbs etc.

I think we also become so hai edi.

Why plonk in turbo engine and spent thousands?

Install a bicycle into the rear seats and then employ an indon or bangla to power up the bicycle connected to a centrifugal air pump boosting air into the engine.

I think this way much cheaper than change turbo engine.

"Turbo bicycle kit powered by Indon/bangla"

:P :lol: :P :lol:

 

[coldfish]

i think the apology has already been conveyed from stanley's end. perhaps all comments and advice should be more conservative and not sound so life threatening? stanley was indeed wrong and anyone would think, "he didn't have to say that". but he already put his pride aside, took the initiative to post this 'public apology'. if anyone wants to bash him in this thread, it'll be nice if it is done with the same level of humility that stanley has shown.

i don't know stanley personally nor have i dealt with him in any way.

 

[Itab]

well,i din really follow up on this debate la,so i'm not gonna say much lo
but as far as i can see,stanley has already made a public apology,so i guess those who were hurt by his comments should just accept his apology lo,wat more do u want him to do rite?

 

[renegade]

Originally posted by coldfish@Jul 24 2004, 03:26 AM
i think the apology has already been conveyed from stanley's end. perhaps all comments and advice should be more conservative and not sound so life threatening? stanley was indeed wrong and anyone would think, "he didn't have to say that". but he already put his pride aside, took the initiative to post this 'public apology'. if anyone wants to bash him in this thread, it'll be nice if it is done with the same level of humility that stanley has shown.

i don't know stanley personally nor have i dealt with him in any way.

well said..... and i fully agreed....
just close the book and start a new one guys...............

ninja........ this is a good experience to you.... it will makes you more wiser..... cheers mate