Honda City CVT gearbox

[Riezal-R]

my xperience is from slight vibration during stop/idle is due to revs dip below 1000 (mayb around 800) do u guys notice the same thing? try shutting off aircon but little help

I think this can be fixed by adjusting the timing screw at the throttle body. Usually older or modified cars face this problem. Especially when air-conditioning is turned on and car is just about to idle.

Basically, you just want the RPM to stay around 900-1000rpm during idle

 

[Keano]

riezal, now dont dare kacau those things la, since under warranty i'd rather go to SC if problem gets worse. my old proton berani la. sum ppl say if add grounding kit would help but yet to test it myself:D

in AW sum of them say got 'tak' sound from dashbrd, happened 2 me once or twice, but tht is due to expansion/contraction during hot/cold day. in the morning if it rains and summore aircon running surely dashbrd plastic contract a bit wan wat. ya la mayb dont xperience in accord or civic but just in case u guyz dont notice, citys r the 'cheapest' honda cars around la...:p

 

[Riezal-R]

Ya grounding helps too. And yes, don't fiddle with it yourself. Get workshop to do it.

I got one question about warranty. Is it true that warranty is void once you change rims? Not service warranty, but warranty on parts. Coz usually Honda gives 3 years/100000kms warranty on parts.

 

[Jackie Leong]

probably warranty void on suspension cuz changing rims gives different stress/strain to the suspension mer.. but then again, the SC may not be so strict with such changes as most will just change rims anyway.. :)

 

[irontech]

i don't know about you guys but i'm having a good laugh at the thread in AW although I for one am also worried like the rest of the owners out there of that "problem" happening to me.

At the moment there's only 7 real complaints filed for the petition, and I thought it was really a a big crowd of people that is affected by the problem. (although no doubt there may be other city owners out there that aren't on AW and unable to make their official complaints)

Read the petition thread, there are some people complaining that their SC claiming that they do not have stock for the CVTF and other SCs wouldn't have them either. However, did they actually take the effort to drive to another SC and ask? (or perhaps call them directly?) I bet no. While they are claiming other SC don't have it, I've got mine a flushed with CVTF a few weeks back (while the CVT problem thread is still on).

All these vibration issues, whether it's a problem or it's normal.. how can they confirm? how sure are they it's due to the CVT problem before condemning the CVT? Well, maybe the jerking problem may be something extraordinary to a CVT which is supposed to run smooth, but what sort of jerk is this? a gearchange jerk? if so, that's probably a real problem to the CVT as other cars are having their gear changes rather smoothly..

another complainant said that the tapping of the accelerator causes "jerk".. heck, don't they know this is a norm for the CVT? when you release your accelerator.. it'll create the engine braking feel.. thus the problem with "jerk".. i got used to it and i don't face this "jerk" that much at all.. well most of the time during low revs at standstill traffic i'll leave my car roll by itself..

while complaining, they just have to start giving honda city some other names like "honda silly and honda shitty".. now, that's pretty matured of them eh? bleh.. still thanks to them i have a fair share of laugh.

Jackie,

I 101% agree what you said. Especially from internet, so many fake mails, messages. Some of them from AW just try to fool around, maybe jealous.

My only doubt is which tyres should go for. For 185/60/14, really not much choice. Potenza G III, expensive, Dunlop P9000? Sorry, only 15" above...

 

[Riezal-R]

probably warranty void on suspension cuz changing rims gives different stress/strain to the suspension mer.. but then again, the SC may not be so strict with such changes as most will just change rims anyway.. :)

For instance, Honda only recommends 15" rims for the Honda Jazz. And they guarantee the parts will last for 3 years or 100,000kms.

Problem is that with 17" rims, wear and tear rate on parts like drive shaft, suspension and arms will increase. So I'm afriad that Honda will void the warranty and in the event that the CVT gearbox fails, they will go "Your rims too big, of course it will damage the gearbox".

Can anyone verify this?

 

[Jackie Leong]

if you've friends or members in a club around with stock rims, switch with them for a day or two and go claim your warranty :p

honda6831 has 17inches on his ride and i'm not sure what part was torn but i think it might be the bushes but his SC replaced those parts anyway. He said, go kawan-kawan with the SC people :D

increasing rims will damage the gearbox..?

 

[TODA]

185/60/14

quite common 14" size for passenger cars wat..... falken should have tyres for that

goodyear? michelin? or u wanna try kumho(Korean)

just survey more

 

[Jackie Leong]

14inches 185/60/14 comes with I-DSI and 15inches 185/55/15 comes with VTEC.

 

[TODA]

increasing rims will damage the gearbox..?

where this theory come from?

 

[Jackie Leong]

So I'm afriad that Honda will void the warranty and in the event that the CVT gearbox fails, they will go "Your rims too big, of course it will damage the gearbox"

something to ponder about.. hmm.. now what rotates the wheels? we can start from there :p

 

[irontech]

185/60/14

quite common 14" size for passenger cars wat..... falken should have tyres for that

goodyear? michelin? or u wanna try kumho(Korean)

just survey more

Yea, too common. Can't get good tyres in my list like Dunlop SP 9000. I used Potenza (not G3) and SP 9k b4 for my previous car with 15" rim, still prefer SP 9K.

Not plan change to 15" for my iDSI as petrol price keep going up.

 

[Jackie Leong]

if not mistaken, with 17inches your fuel consumption drops to about 4xxKM per full tank.. which is like a VTEC on 15inches =.=

16inches on I-DSI is common. We have quite a number of I-DSIs in Team City with 16inches, and some on 17inches.

 

[irontech]

Jackie,

How about urs? 16"? Wonder how is the feeling using 16" or even 17" at 1500 displacement vehicle.

I have a fren who drive Gen2, swap to 17". He said really sluggish.

 

[Jackie Leong]

i have test driven a fellow member's ride with 17inches k-speed rim.. not much difference from my stock 15inches at all except from the heavier steering wheel (unsure if it's due to tire series or rim weight).. well, maybe there is some difference but i couldn't really feel it during the test drive.. maybe cuz i didn't floor the pedal but on average driving around sunway.. it's just as good as stock..

mine is still stock but looking forward to upgrade soon :)

 

[Riezal-R]

if you've friends or members in a club around with stock rims, switch with them for a day or two and go claim your warranty :p

honda6831 has 17inches on his ride and i'm not sure what part was torn but i think it might be the bushes but his SC replaced those parts anyway. He said, go kawan-kawan with the SC people :D

increasing rims will damage the gearbox..?

Yeah I might have to result to keeping my 15" rims and swap it in everytime I go servicing. But I think better to kaw-tim with the service centre.

 

[Riezal-R]

Not to say that its a theory. But just saying that in the event that the CVT fails on me and need to change, Honda can claim that my 17" rims is putting too much stress on my transmission or some other excuse that relates to that, then I'm screwed. Even if I argue about it, they can still say that putting in 17" rims voids the warranty altogether.

I am unsure of this, which is why im asking, on what basis will Honda void the warranty.

 

[Jackie Leong]

yeah.. just friend friend with the service centre to claim warranty parts :D it ain't that hard for them to just switch rims with another car and just do the standard procedure of taking pictures and filing for a claim..

just don't play-play with the engine bay during warranty period and that should be pretty fine.. especially when the CVT issue isn't all that clear yet ;)

 

[Jackie Leong]

Not to say that its a theory. But just saying that in the event that the CVT fails on me and need to change, Honda can claim that my 17" rims is putting too much stress on my transmission or some other excuse that relates to that, then I'm screwed. Even if I argue about it, they can still say that putting in 17" rims voids the warranty altogether.

I am unsure of this, which is why im asking, on what basis will Honda void the warranty.

i've referred to the warranty booklet.. can't even understand much of the terms, because one part says its okay.. the other part says it'll void the complete warranty.. got so confused i'll just go ahead with what i think should be fine.

sometimes i guess it's just a matter of whether your SC wants to play you around (you can always go to another SC and try your luck again..) as the SC are the ones that'll report the matter to HM.

but if they don't allow warranty claim, then go get halfcut for manual transmission :p

 

[Riezal-R]

yeah.. just friend friend with the service centre to claim warranty parts :D it ain't that hard for them to just switch rims with another car and just do the standard procedure of taking pictures and filing for a claim..

just don't play-play with the engine bay during warranty period and that should be pretty fine.. especially when the CVT issue isn't all that clear yet ;)

Yeah hopefully that will work. I don't plan to touch anything else but just want to shove in a set of 17" rims. If can 18", but i duno if they will fit nicely on a Jazz.

 

[Jackie Leong]

there's a member from mycityclub that slap in 18" BSA rims with 225/18 tires on his VTEC City.. (i think 35series tires..) but I think he bey tahan with the heavy rims cuz he gonna switch to 17inches already :p however you can bet on it that taking corners is sweet!

even HCOC ERT I-DSI City (honda6831)'s ride was previously on 18inches for 1 week before he change back to 17inches.. honda6831 said tekan tekan oso the car dun wanna move :p haha!

fitting in larger rims can be done but i think it's a matter of how it complements the overall look.. (stock? bodykit? tinted?) it'll be better if you can get rims that are ngam ngam for the Jazz..

i've personally seen a Jazz with 17inches enkei rims with 40series tires.. probably lowered as well (lowering springs will void off the suspension) but it looks so freaking sweet u'll drool till u wet ur pants as well :p

 

[Riezal-R]

Then once im done, make sure you dont come near my car. I don't want you to wet your pants when im around. Hahah.

 

[Jackie Leong]

dun liddat la.. i wear pampers la k? hahaha :p :D

 

[Riezal-R]

My goal is to prove that Jazz isn't just a gurlie car. And yes, pampers is ok.

 

[Jackie Leong]

hahaha.. Jazz ain't a gurlie car ;)
City ain't uncle/auntie's car neither :D

that's why mostly youngsters are in Team City le.. powderful in terms of exterior looks oni :p