Converted Car Chassis. Is it worth it?

[peterj]

Same goes for those 2JZ-GTE or 1JZ-GTE BMW. Some are probably 320i originally.



There is actually an official Wira 2.0 from Proton. The Wira diesel. But even that one is not allowed to transplant to 4G63T I think.



If the ordinary Civic chassis lacks so much compared to the performance Civic chassis, then I think those expensive converted Civic hatch selling for 40 to 70k is not worth the price with that kind of chassis. Sometimes, can even see EG hatch selling for over 50k despite not being an original EG6 Civic SiR chassis....

I heard that the RISE structure is used in the current Lancer too. So, should it be same for Inspira that is based on Lancer?

Bothe are RISE structure, but lack of chassis reinforcement as i see between e10 and ordinary lancer, even diff rear strut tower structure.. And for lancer and inspira, from proton they say first batch are the same, dunno others, and their chassis i dunno as well, but i do saw different in quality, such as at the front strut tower under the mudguard, u can see that even chassis gum, for lancer is very uniformly applied on the metal, but inspira is like dog shit

 

[lsm1991]

Well, there are also some old Civic EG 1.3 and some put in B18CR into them.

ef pun ade....
god... cannot imagine whats it like...so light, so much power, that thing would be so fast.....

follow 25% rules. All also can pass.....smoothly

theres another form for a conversion exceeding 25% iirc.....

 

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ef pun ade....
god... cannot imagine whats it like...so light, so much power, that thing would be so fast.....




theres another form for a conversion exceeding 25% iirc.....

Eh, who attached a thumbnail pic on my first post? Maybe is Tom?

If speed and power to weight ratio is all that I am after, I will just go for EF or CR-X preferably EF9 Civic SiR or EF8 CR-X SiR chassis. Put in K series engine, K24 block with K20A head. Will be one of the NA king.

I'm quite sure that form is not allowed for Proton cars.

 

[sweelt]

of course tom or admins.,,,,

 

[lsm1991]

Eh, who attached a thumbnail pic on my first post? Maybe is Tom?

If speed and power to weight ratio is all that I am after, I will just go for EF or CR-X preferably EF9 Civic SiR or EF8 CR-X SiR chassis. Put in K series engine, K24 block with K20A head. Will be one of the NA king.

I'm quite sure that form is not allowed for Proton cars.

yup.. its explicitly stated.... ALL protons other than the perdana (and i assume the inspira now as well:rolleyes:) xboleh

 

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of course tom or admins.,,,,

Recently not much of active admins over here.

yup.. its explicitly stated.... ALL protons other than the perdana (and i assume the inspira now as well:rolleyes:) xboleh

But Perdana probably at most can only change back to another 2 litre. What other larger capacity engines that Perdana owners will go for.

Inspira can go for the larger 2.4 litre 4B12 engine found in Lancer Sportback. But since that one looks similar to 4B11, no one will notice the change even if unregistered or not endorsed unless they look at the engine number.

But what is their reasoning behind Proton cars can't go over 25% of their original engine displacement? Are they saying that Proton's chassis are not able to handle the stress from larger capacity engines?

 

[marsha1l_v6]

Recently not much of active admins over here.



But Perdana probably at most can only change back to another 2 litre. What other larger capacity engines that Perdana owners will go for.

Inspira can go for the larger 2.4 litre 4B12 engine found in Lancer Sportback. But since that one looks similar to 4B11, no one will notice the change even if unregistered or not endorsed unless they look at the engine number.

But what is their reasoning behind Proton cars can't go over 25% of their original engine displacement? Are they saying that Proton's chassis are not able to handle the stress from larger capacity engines?

perdana has choice to go up to 2.5 litre. 6a13tt if im not mistaken. There only 1 story i heard, perdana owner able to get puspakom approval on engine mounting change, but Proton mod the mounting. Seems legit to get puspakom approved in this case.

if proton does not have the 25%, there are alot of protonolution out there.

 

[vr2turbo]

if proton does not have the 25%, there are alot of protonolution out there.

haha...stop them before it goes crazy.......

 

[lsm1991]

Recently not much of active admins over here.



But Perdana probably at most can only change back to another 2 litre. What other larger capacity engines that Perdana owners will go for.

Inspira can go for the larger 2.4 litre 4B12 engine found in Lancer Sportback. But since that one looks similar to 4B11, no one will notice the change even if unregistered or not endorsed unless they look at the engine number.

But what is their reasoning behind Proton cars can't go over 25% of their original engine displacement? Are they saying that Proton's chassis are not able to handle the stress from larger capacity engines?

haha perdanas.... duno if anyone pandai pandai shove in a terbalik 6a13.... something tells me somehow.. someone would probably have tried.....

back then... so many accidents involving those crazy evo converted cars with almost 0 attention to safety.... hantam pokok, the car literally obliterate themselves. there's a thread on these things here on zth long ago i think...

 

[marsha1l_v6]

haha...stop them before it goes crazy.......

Im one of em...perdanalution, having perdana chassis is ok,doesnt feel light and stable at *high speed cruise 140-180. I would say 200 is max for comfort cruise. Perdana chassis la. Even so, the mounting weld cant support the torque 4g63t produce, saw few the welding spot koyak.

*Please do this at your own risk. During application, please make sure your engine and driveterrain at optimum performance. Dont cheapskate on tyre.

back then... so many accidents involving those crazy evo converted cars with almost 0 attention to safety.... hantam pokok, the car literally obliterate themselves. there's a thread on these things here on zth long ago i think...

Need to find that thread...

 

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perdana has choice to go up to 2.5 litre. 6a13tt if im not mistaken. There only 1 story i heard, perdana owner able to get puspakom approval on engine mounting change, but Proton mod the mounting. Seems legit to get puspakom approved in this case.

if proton does not have the 25%, there are alot of protonolution out there.

I heard about this story before from Danzeterna too. Apparently this owner did modifications to the firewall with the help from Proton's engineers to get it all done legally. But this 6A13TT choice is an uncommon one. Most will just go for 4G63T since they are lighter, easier to get parts and less trouble to swap.

haha...stop them before it goes crazy.......

Already got the way to go around this rule but need more money. 4G67 block with 4G63T pistons and other parts.

haha perdanas.... duno if anyone pandai pandai shove in a terbalik 6a13.... something tells me somehow.. someone would probably have tried.....

back then... so many accidents involving those crazy evo converted cars with almost 0 attention to safety.... hantam pokok, the car literally obliterate themselves. there's a thread on these things here on zth long ago i think...

Go Youtube, can find a video. Here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC7Aa2NuA38

There is one thread about a horror crash involving a Satria with 4G63T engine. Can search for it here.

Now we can probably conclude that Proton's chassis cannot take that much stress from 4G63T. But how about Honda cars? Those Civic with K20A? Will they develop cracks on chassis or they can withstand it? To be honest, I'm actually surprised that these K series swap on older Civic is allowed because modifications to mounting is definitely needed. Meanwhile, older Proton cars cannot be swapped with those newer 'terbalik' CK 4G9 and 4G6 engines legally. Not even the newer 4G15 turbo found in Colt is allowed...

 

[vr2turbo]

Im one of em...perdanalution, having perdana chassis is ok,doesnt feel light and stable at *high speed cruise 140-180. I would say 200 is max for comfort cruise. Perdana chassis la. Even so, the mounting weld cant support the torque 4g63t produce, saw few the welding spot koyak.

*Please do this at your own risk. During application, please make sure your engine and driveterrain at optimum performance. Dont cheapskate on tyre.



Need to find that thread...

Perdanalution is legal mah, Wiralution cannot.....lol

 

[lsm1991]

I heard about this story before from Danzeterna too. Apparently this owner did modifications to the firewall with the help from Proton's engineers to get it all done legally. But this 6A13TT choice is an uncommon one. Most will just go for 4G63T since they are lighter, easier to get parts and less trouble to swap.



Already got the way to go around this rule but need more money. 4G67 block with 4G63T pistons and other parts.



Go Youtube, can find a video. Here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC7Aa2NuA38

There is one thread about a horror crash involving a Satria with 4G63T engine. Can search for it here.

Now we can probably conclude that Proton's chassis cannot take that much stress from 4G63T. But how about Honda cars? Those Civic with K20A? Will they develop cracks on chassis or they can withstand it? To be honest, I'm actually surprised that these K series swap on older Civic is allowed because modifications to mounting is definitely needed. Meanwhile, older Proton cars cannot be swapped with those newer 'terbalik' CK 4G9 and 4G6 engines legally. Not even the newer 4G15 turbo found in Colt is allowed...

my god... so much work needed to shove that 6a13 in.... the 6a13 is easier shoved into cars which are terbalik... only a crazy guy would try shove it into the perdana...

for kswaps, i also question why its allowed... makes no sense...
in their case, they can just buy off the shelf hasport mounts for the kswaps but dont know why its allowed since those are not the original mounts...

as to why old protons cannot swap to the newer ck 4g6/9's... wwell for one dah memang not allowed to shove in 2L engines.... and secondly.. wah mounts all kene fabricate.... heck even the neo which is already terbaliked needs another mount welded in.

 

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my god... so much work needed to shove that 6a13 in.... the 6a13 is easier shoved into cars which are terbalik... only a crazy guy would try shove it into the perdana...

for kswaps, i also question why its allowed... makes no sense...
in their case, they can just buy off the shelf hasport mounts for the kswaps but dont know why its allowed since those are not the original mounts...

as to why old protons cannot swap to the newer ck 4g6/9's... wwell for one dah memang not allowed to shove in 2L engines.... and secondly.. wah mounts all kene fabricate.... heck even the neo which is already terbaliked needs another mount welded in.

The 6A13TT project is just for the sake of uniqueness like dare to be different. Perhaps for the V6 engine sound also. If is about power, 4G63T is the much easier way.

I start to think that except Proton or maybe Perodua other kinds of ridiculous swap involving mounting modification can be passed somehow. Look at those older BMW or maybe Mercedes. People swapping in RB or JZ engines into them and yet still able to endorse. Actually, can these BMW or Mercedes chassis able to withstand the power of these powerful 6 cylinder engines?

Maybe 4G63T CK type is not allowed because of the 2 litre thing. Then how bout those CK 4G93T or 4G92 MIVEC. I know the mounts need to be fabricated but isn't that the same for other cars with engine transplant from different makes? Again, probably because they are Proton.

 

[sweelt]

talk about bmw ijz, my fren old bmw collecting rust. He give up. Cant get good mecahnic kut. :hmmmm:
He planning to swap 1jz into toyota crown.

 

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talk about bmw ijz, my fren old bmw collecting rust. He give up. Cant get good mecahnic kut. :hmmmm:
He planning to swap 1jz into toyota crown.

So, is like can't transplant to BMW and now change plan to transplant to Crown?

 

[DanzEterna]

wira is able to transplant 4G63T but have to use 4G67 block

 

[vr2turbo]

wira is able to transplant 4G63T but have to use 4G67 block

That is a 1.8L engine, right? how to transfer the 4G63 stuff in?

 

[peterj]

That is a 1.8L engine, right? how to transfer the 4G63 stuff in?

Identical block, like 91 92 93,need rebore and put in all the internal from 4g63,redo oil squiters etc.. Much more job

 

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That is a 1.8L engine, right? how to transfer the 4G63 stuff in?

Rebore it to 2 litre to fit 4G63T pistons.