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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ajnone" data-source="post: 241735" data-attributes="member: 5362">Hey master sifu,I found this arrticle from the Jap web. Can we apply this method? Please share your comment.***It is easy チ…ーンAE111/AE101(5 valves 4A - GE)initial spark controlBeing simplest in チ…ーン of AE, it is big tuning of the effect. However when this adjustment is done, like the ハイオク specification car of the Honda car regular gasoline becomes unable to altogether use.It becomes the ハイオクガソリン private car depending upon this adjustment.Please be sure to replenish ハイオクガソリン! .When (it applies to the other car, it is similar. Even by the regular gasoline specification car it becomes ハイオク specification.)As for the Toyota car in this part by any chance running with the regular, either the lively knock without happening, you can call the specification which can run with just powering down.(The current way also the excessively kindness design of the times when it has not spread you can call ハイオクガソリン, don't you think?. Forgetting this, as for る one many expectation. . When designing, also the fact that the background of age when selling is known is know-how of チ…ーン. Former times without being possible now you do with the part which has become good, if (former times unreasonable ones now, is possible) this the basis of matching and tuning.If now being to enter into the hand anywhere, the owner just ハイオク inserts ハイオク, there is no problem. (Being to be the ハイオク specification car, it is only-too-natural thing, but. . Because it is cheap, saying, regular gasoline and the fuel which is not corresponding on engine side (the alcoholic fuel and the like) the one which is used it is in the car of ハイオク specification, but if we would like to ride long, the one which is stopped is safe. O because/the possibility H generation catching is larger.)If it is the range below, the waste gas there is no problem. If (the catalyst equipped car it passes also vehicle inspection)As for the advancing too much in initial ignition timing the engine is broken. Above this advancing, being at all not to become good, please be sure to adjust in the below-mentioned range.This adjustment to the last is advice. The knock has come out, please avoids kind of the fact that directly it continues to use the engine in spite. When it knocks, you will more or less reset to genuine direction.As for 1 time note figure reference value and the like below, please be sure to pass through the eye entirely. While understanding contents, as for adjustment please make sure not to do.NoteIt has appended 2001 September 15th many comment. In the past the one which does please read for the second time in sense of verification.This adjustment which is introduced here the knock sensor wise ECU trouble thing and 5 valves which are evaded it meaning that originally process precision is good as for the big variation due to individual difference little being to verify that you can adjust at the value which was measured with the slide caliper and the scale with many AExxx, released little mistake.This numerical value is actual value with the many 5 valve engine. チ…ーン doing the engine, itself when ECU is not normal, with ECU which does not make the knock sensor effective the rough as for adjustment please reach and make sure not to do absolutely. Using the timing light, accurately angle it is necessary to make encounter.Becoming viewing, the contents which are written entirely we ask the one which you think that really we would like to try doing, on self responsibility through the eye. When there is no self-confidence by your, it has cooperating, will request.Numerical value those after 2001 September 15th is up-to-date. Trouble either 1 case has not come out even at numerical value of the time before, but including individual difference, it corrects in the value which it does not knock. As for reference value you think in the AT car which check of the especially knock is difficult to do that is useful. Bulletin board past there is statement even in the log. The owner please do the stuffing with last fine control. Because the result whose is better than genuine even with while it is reference value has been produced there is no problem. Advancing too much breaks the engine with the knocking and detonation. Please pay attention to being greedy too much!By all means there is an individual difference. Entirely it does not become same, but because trouble did not come out, the effect could be verified sufficiently, "value of reference" was stated.Trying doing, "as for the origin how being?" in order to find whether or not and so on adjustment of ignition timing is cause when verifying and trouble, it stated below 1 as for sign of "genuine ignition timing", attaching, please be sure to try to be able to reset.Checking genuine position! !(There is an individual difference. When it is other than value below, it is thought that it has already been adjusted. The t terminal please short and have adjusting genuine ignition timing once and do the initial ignition timing advanced angle after the marking in genuine position.(In case of the used car or the vehicle which 50000 Km or more is riding)In additionas for modification of idling at ignition timing you do not knoweither that it is the mistake, when the idling adjusting it has been ignition timing, being to be, you note. In that case genuine position probably will be checked once. It meaning that power and torque and the response fall, the idling adjusting should not do at ignition timing. With AE1xx as for the idling raising it is the proof whose condition is good.The air conditioner is not inserted and if between 800 - 1100RPM it is normal.)Whether or not present デスピ position it checks genuine,the head block surface (the even part) with during disbi projectionAE101 = approximately 3mmVerifying whether or not AE111 prior-term = approximately 2. 5mm AE111 latter terms= 2mm (mean value correction 2002,6) it is. (As for individual differencein case of the used car which is (the possession) at point in time even in order to check "standard" the first time adjusts genuine ignition timing to especially コウ as much as possible with the timing light.)Example: Be sure to verify beforethe genuine projection position adjusting of AE111! !(From the even part the AE111 previous term and the latter term under approximately 2. 5mm under AE101 approximately 2mm the expectation which is under approximately 3mm. This is mean value, but if there is no there it is adjusted?Genuine position has slipped. After one time accurately the service book (the repair book) to short, putting out "genuine position" with the timing light, as genuine position is recognized,the marking doing the T terminal with method of statement, please begin.As for furthermore recommending those which have advanced being to be connected to power decrease and engine damage please note. (Being self responsibility as for not forgetting procedure way you do not make a mistake, accurately! ! )* Tuning *Projection elements on larger scaleWhen it moves to reference value from genuine position, at numerical value of the big unit OK! When fine adjusting from there, you do not adjust you question in analog feeling about of 0. 1mm units, it sows, it does not go.Doing this adjustment on self responsibility, with method of being which you saw, detailed adjustment rides, or as for weak point, while it is reference value are not popular by your and the one which is left is good.When the volt/bolt of 12mm in the BOX wrench it does not loosen, when the excessiveness it does not do, blows the lubricating permeation oil of CRC, and the like first just loosens with the 12mm glasses wrench it loosens. Do not overstrain.Reference value(to the last it is reference value. When it knocks at reference value, being to be engine individual difference, the adjustment which it adjusts to the engine is necessary. There is an individual difference when and, the car which was already fumbled purchases when and, when genuine position is doubtful, with the timing light once, value of genuine standard with such as maintenance shop and stand (there to be statement on the bonnet reverse side, T terminal short circuit main point) with to measure genuine position, after having, we recommend that it begins. Furthermore when with the rather old timing light indication slips, it is. (Adapter main point))Adjusting, there are no times when it is late than genuine. As for this initial spark control there is ワケ which is stated afterwards and when the good point where simply is not just adjustment of ignition, advances ignition timing when in high revolution, ignition timing can be delayed, it moves to the rotary limits low. The person who can understand the point which moves in bodily sensation in order exactly to become good in the rotary limits which are used mainly, adjustment (tuning) by the fact that it does putting out the time with competition is possible.This adjustment to the last the "adjustment range" is even at competition level, but because the Honda car and the like is advanced to per after originally this adjusting, adjusting, it is something where the quantity where efficiency rises is small, but, the car of TOYOTA and NISSAN being the high rotary type engine, in order to consider for everybody, low has become the setting which seriously considered the medium speed, but with this adjustment making the car of competition level the leprosy it changes without possibility. This with competition チ…ーン is technique from former times, but when it is the car which is not the knock sensor, when the timing light and the like there is no device which can be measured and the like, is not something which the て we can recommend without the horsefly. The car which does not have the knock sensor (AE86 and the AE92 other car) with アバウト adjustment being not to be unable to become the life taking of the engine, cannot prepare the timing light, if is, please stop.Semantic アバウト where 5 valves 4A - GE is a knock sensor and it meaning that ECU is wise, the kind of is this adjustment is possible. Please understand the.Adjustment value verificationWhen as for デスピ when it turns to the right, the ignition high tension cord (the plug cord) considered as terminal side ignition timing advances and turns to the left it is late.Adjust early adjustment to this numerical value accurately with the slide caliper or the scale.OK as for one if it does at mean value below, as for problem it does not come out at mean value, when (engine and ECU are normal only).Furthermore when you adjust, being to be about from approximately reference value to be good to the range + 0. 5mm - 0. 5mm while running with 0. 1mm steps, please try adjusting the one which you search.(Including reference value between 0. 5mm, image that there are five setting reference value in standard is the top and bottom.)Hint is put out with the point where the point to which the torque impression is transmitted strongly at genuine maximum torque value or the just a little top is good."Danger! !"Advancing, the even part does not exceed initial ignition timing no matter what! . If it rides that way, it blows not to be wrong.Value after the AE1xx power direction initial spark control(there is an individual difference. Remainder of genuine value - please refer the value = portable quantity after the adjusting.)Note: However much moving, the head block surface (the even part) cannot be projection exceeding! It powers down advancing too much substantially and becomes cause of engine damage,Not to advance too much it is not to be greedy above necessity. If being some, it advances too much, the knock ｾﾝｻｰ working, ECU does retarded angle automatically. Being something which becomes like this (as an engine protection, power stops coming out genuine compared to.)In case of the used carbeing to be also a car which has advanced at the point in time when the car is bought after the verification marking doing genuine ignition timing at the maintenance shop, it will do.The AE101 head block surface (the even part) from the projection center of デスピ is under and (the portable quantity from genuine position the = > 1. 5mm right turns turning direction)The AE111 head block surface (the even part) from the projection center of デスピ is under and (the portable quantity from genuine position the = > 1. 0mm right turns turning direction)At the AE111 latter term with any above-mentioned things after the verification marking doing the genuine ignition timing which has the case where it advances too much at the maintenance shop please make 1mm from the position)The AE111 latter-term head block surface (the even part) from the projection center of デスピ is under and (the portable quantity from genuine position the = > 0. 7mm right turns turning direction)(Note: As for 4 connected throttles and the car where the soiling of air flow is many 0. 5mm advancing, there are times when it knocks. Adjustment of ignition timing unless it is be able to make the service of other things secure, is the cause of trouble.)AE111 almost car + VVTC controller and SFC of normal - R the when,burning pitchAE111 burning pitchAs for the AE101, AE111 owner this page please see. The example which pulled out original powerPage http: of AE111 レビ//sutncs.ed.noda.sut.ac.jp/ - J7298079/The curator advises and it is almost normal and (the muffler is normal) with genuine power has come out. The power check data of meeting front and back before the improving is valuable. Necessary seeing!--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Knock checkWay there is statement in the figure, if MT trying 3rd gear takeoffs, if engine failure or the light knock OK. With the big knock it advances too much. . AT while the brake was stepped on stepping on the accelerator, tries takeoff and can check by the fact that it does not do the big knock, but do not do excessively. AT does not try to stuff excessively to very limit and we recommend that it makes reference value.Trying doing knock check, if there is no problem, when that way travelling and knocking, it can delay, (about 0. 2mm you reset).When liking to do the further fine control only of the owner, at 0. 1mm units fine control. When engine temperature becomes hard, considering thing, when from the exactly good point it leaves margin at 0. 2mm resetting extent, it is good.When you do excessive many degrees, it stops knowing somewhere is good in connection with with study. From first when redoing,afterresetting ECU.First trying doing at reference value, if it knocks in individual difference of the engine, fine you adjust at about 0. 1mm units and lower projection if and it does not knock, fine adjusting at about 0. 1mm units, it increases projection.As for AE111 originally ignition timing being to be advancing the projection part is faced on some than AE101.Above this lifting, (advancing) becoming knock feeling, with detection of the knock sensor and the control of ECU being automatic, being retarded angle to be done, when being meaningless, ECU detecting the knock, the ぶ which evasion (it can delay and) processes it is time lag and transient treatment difficult because comes outCompared to knock very limit the position where about 0. 2mm you reset to normal side you should have thought, probably will be. If (circuit concern 0. 3mm you reset)Advancing too much becomes completely high revolution direction. It is low, it meaning that torque of medium revolution becomes thin, while getting wise also the being attached per 4000rpm from 3000rpm, it should have decided, probably will be.If the gear normal the method which makes the torque of the medium speed when revolution falls with shift rise thick comes out with competition as for the time.4A - GE is a torque. チ…ーン which does not kill that (adjustment) being, after shifting raising even strongly to move forward, it is the car whose kind of it is fast,! It is wordy, it will be, is, but to give, because the ぐれ and being able to adjust with such method there is a knock sensor, is.In the thing and 4 valves which have killed the knock sensor with imitation ECU this hand being not to be able to use, please try adjusting securely with the timing light.After adjustmentresettingECU, the one which it ran is good, is.When even in the sense that usual study is turned off you reset ECU before the practice travelling in the competition straight line it is effective.Various studies evade engine trouble and/or contribute to economical fuel economy exhaust clean conversion but, the kind of feeling which is adjusted to the method around the engine with the method of riding the owner is remembered. Before the having a match that you reset, as study preparation for competition it studies with a higher revolution direction than usual study being effective.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------ApplicationAdjustment method above shows basic adjustment. Once after the adjusting, when it modifies inhalation and exhalation of air specification and the like,When between to the adjustment range above from genuine, you refer to the portable quantity of the part of projection, with the image which is moved at the unit about of 0. 1mmAdjusting delicately, in order at desired rpm to become best, please try adjusting. If (if possible, we would like to adjust also burning pitch simultaneously.)Especially torque that tries is produced in the part where torque is thin when, when it does, very to be easy to ride also the being attached of the accelerator becomes good.If street use you do not chase largest power and largest torque and in all rotary limits should make feeling good adjustment.It should consider also the stepping on condition of the throttle being not only revolution, if street use the half throttle is preferred.If the circuit full opening it is concern. The one fuel economy and the time becomes good.When changing into tuning ECU, resetting to genuine ignition timing once, after running, please adjust in the range which the knocking is not done.(As for resetting properly responsibility of the owner who was fumbled. It checks even with the shop, but with mail order in case and the like of purchase with while it advances there is a possibility of trouble.)If with genuine it does not knock low with revolution, with high revolution almost it does not knock, but the knock sensor is utilized, with tuning ECU and the likeBecause it is advancing entire area optimumly, it does not knock low with revolution and there are some which also the て knocks with high revolution. When you pay attention to knock sound always and even just a little the "kalium kalium kalium" are audible, some marginThinking, please reset to the range which it does not knock.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Reference(ワケ and other little 4A where this adjustment is an effect - the tuning know-how of GE is written.)This tuning (adjustment) not only initial ignition timing, also position of each sensor changes unlike the cab car and the like of former times,The multiplier effect is produced because also fuel injection time becomes quick. AE "デスピ it turns" and is not just adjustment of mere ignition timing.As for the position where you adjust the position where it can delay more or less than the point where largest torque is produced is best.When only the response chases, it advances from the point of largest torque. Revolution is light, but it becomes the engine which is not power & torque. The response & power & the owner please try searching the position where torque well balance takes. When it is different from the shop and being to be able to spend time with a lot of, it searches with about 0. 1mm pitches, only the owner who is agreeable to engine individual difference is the expectation where the point which knows is found. When so you fall flat forward excessively and are packed being to become unable to sleep, please note ^ ^; ;One time the point which is found when furthermore you search, to become bad, tomorrow. Giving ぐれ in range of reference value + - 0. 5mm with 0. 1mm pitches in about extent. .4A - GE チ…ーニングセオリー: If as for the basis in the high rotary limits 35 degrees in maximum ignition timing the ideal mechanic itself knock feeling we should hold down at 34 degrees.When(エンジンチ…ーン is done, when it is late than that,problem of form of the lifting too much of compression ratio and combustion chamber, the accumulating and burning pitch of the carbon, intake air temperature, water temperature and oil temperature, and so on causes, depends on either of thickness of the gasket.In this kind of caseit should think "the failure of NA engine tuning" being, it is necessary to take a second look entirely. In addition, with the batch adjustment kind of method of being written here it is not possible to adjust to optimum value.(To adjust accurately with the timing light, also ECU チ…ーン is necessary). If it becomes knock feeling, torque falls. 4A - As for GE it is best to finish in the engine which can be turned 4A - GE to seem without reservation to スカッ and on. When of the is thought, lifting too much compression ratio is not good. In case of the high cam unless compression ratio must be increased, but therefore the high cam you must lift, the notion that not forgetting. Simply, just compression ratio lifting, the stripe uninformed early it becomes knock occurrence and/or 4A where the top limit comes ahead of time with high revolution - GE it stops seeming.With AE101 AE111the normal cam(to 256 cams)as for compression ratioof model of tuning in the AE111 latter term without the surface research to 0. 8mmgaskets. When 0. 2mm surface researches it does with the balancing plane research, we recommend that those of gasket thick 1. 0mm are used.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------With the example of adjustment and the data AE111 riding ちit is (the monitor etc. of テクトム as for numerical value measurement)At the beginning ignition timing in approximately disbi advanced angle 0.9mm the modification thermostat TRD make 71 ℃ modification to typeThe exhaust installation position of SEV setting modification VVTC operation rpm to 3000rpm somewhat in torque concernAs for fuel ｺﾝﾄﾛｰﾗｰ specification +4% - +4.5% - +5% - +6.5% - +4%When opening fully when knock sensor operation inhalation warm 30 ℃ water temperature 90 ℃ becomes many when it exceeds, 95 ℃ reaches at when opening fully 2nd gear or more above 5000rpm regular ﾉｯｸｾﾝｻｰ ONIgnition timing at the time of ﾉｯｸ ON degree of BTDC23.8 (6500rpm) for the sake of ignition timing near this 33.8 degrees is a room somewhat to judgement -> 35 degrees, (disbi advanced angle approximately 0.7mm) ﾉｯｸ ON water temperature 85 ℃ at under almost nothing.Because the method which makes disbi advanced angle under 0.5mm becomes ﾉｯｸ ON frequently, it judges that fuel injection timewise early due to advanced angle conversion buys ﾉｯｸ prevention assistance.Water temperature 76 ℃ - 85 ℃ with stabilizes with thermo- modificationAlmost there is no ﾉｯｸ even with the intake air temperature 50 degree ｵｰﾊﾞｰAlso fuel economy, being kind of that the fuel consumption has decreased substantially, this one judged as correct answer.Being not to do, it does, the ﾒｶﾆｶﾙ sound of the ﾉｯｷﾝｸﾞ but with ﾉｯｸｾﾝｻｰ ON ignition timing as many as 10 degrees retarded angle as for doing thinking that it may not even excessively in the engine. When opening fully, aiming toward the ｾｯﾃｨﾝｸ kind of ﾞ which does not operate, it tried doing.In addition, the one which operated VVTC from 3000rpm and travelled with 3500rpm it seems that fuel economy is good.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------NA spiritAlmost normal being, thing is written.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------This is the example where the multiplier effect of the part and adjustment is produced. When it is understood at numerical value, it becomes reference.Unless ignition timing with angle there is a timing light, it cannot measure, but spending time, being able to search the best point if is ply beta of strengthMeasuring the numerical value of projection position with the slide caliper, and the like it can adjust by the fact that you adjust.1 it turns the cam with the crank 2 time and does not turn. With change of 2 times that of angle of crank as for cam angle change of 1 time. . You will remember this.As for adjustment of initial ignition timing like "adjustment of the sufficient it turns simply" you are moved, but because state of efficiency and the engine changes largely with very little angle, you will note.In adjustment first stage trying turning first to curator designated position, when the other part and setting are decided, it should have tried searching the place where the じっぐり multiplier effect is good, probably will be.Low the one where we would like to make revolution important just advances), circuit frequent use advances near designated position (a little) please tries doing e.g., (just 0. 5mm advance normally soon. Maximum torque rpm moves more or less.From the mark which by all means is attached to normal position please adjust in the range of the surface the "even surface" on the head. The giving ぐれ going too far is taboo, if we would like to ride long, it is not to be greedy.Advanced angle it does not do too much with abrupt acceleration (the knock sensor to operate, ignition retarded angle is not done, in other words instantaneous acceleration does not become bad) is best.Adjustment of this initial ignition timing batch (everything does) is adjustment at a stroke. Therefore becomes good, but there is compromise. (It is margin but)All rotary limits, it is not possible to make accelerator opening best. With when inhalation and exhalation of air type modification is done, everything is made to satisfy, we recommend ECU exchange.AE - MY GARAGE***</blockquote>

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