A streetable 300whp NA VTEC

[chris2000]

Fu-yohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Since Chris and Shiroi are doing the technical talk, then i'll be the one giving ideas on how to make the world know on whatcha doing.

1. please put the names of the mechanics and owner of the car
2. the car original spec before and after
3. make sure the photograph is clear and concise (both car and ppl)
4. make sure the dates are correct since we want to know the duration of the build
5. keep all receipts for proof purchase. if its from halfcut, we dun mind also
6. results from dyno, tracktime, dragtime

If this is like another honda-tech thing, it better be correct. flames are hotter than hot teh-tarik.

If this is another SECRECY ninja conspiracy, then theres nothing to learn about. it will be as zth as it is. By year 2010 we will still talk about on how to differentiate an EF camshafts with type-r. Even i if know what to do i still dont have money to fool around with.

so keep it up!

Hai ya.. We were got technical.. Just being a little more specific. We are all here to learn and share experience. Right ZTH friends??? :tongwink:

J101 you should chip in your share too since you had been using ITB for daily driving. hehe...

And to help the poster answer some of your questions:-

1. please put the names of the mechanics and owner of the car - Mechanics must be from AdvanGarde since it is Advangarde Specs. Most owner will not reveal name. Moreover most owner doesn't even know there is a thread here on his car :regular_smile:

2. the car original spec before and after - No one in the forum here wants to know before. They only want to know what is this 300whp car now only. hehe..

3. make sure the photograph is clear and concise (both car and ppl) - Picture of car can get but posing with car, errr... so sorry bro.. owner want to keep low profile..

4. make sure the dates are correct since we want to know the duration of the build - Irrelevant, cause now digital camera can adjust date ma..

5. keep all receipts for proof purchase. if its from halfcut, we dun mind also - Who the hell want to show you receipts to proof??? I myself don even have all my receipts from all the parts i buy for my car. haha...

6. results from dyno, tracktime, dragtime - As said this is a streetable car with AIR-cond and Power Steering, so i assume its going to be daily driven only.. So you guys won't be seeing this car in action in any official drag or sunday track days.

But.... A dyno chart showing where it is dyoned and the date on them will be good to share. hehehe....

J101, don't flame me ya. hehehe :_:

 

[J101]

Ha ha you must have not taken lunch yet Chris.

1. Ok ok, Area 51. Nobody wants to know their names.

2. I would love to know the base power. I think its important.

3. Ok ok, Area 51. Nobody wants to see their faces and car.

4. This will take years bro. No target date and goals?

5. EBay is cheap nowadays. Ha ha

6. Ok then dyno result is sufficient

You are getting excited Chris, how many times u reload-ed this page? Ha ha

 

[chris2000]

Ha ha you must have not taken lunch yet Chris.

1. Ok ok, Area 51. Nobody wants to know their names.

2. I would love to know the base power. I think its important.

3. Ok ok, Area 51. Nobody wants to see their faces and car.

4. This will take years bro. No target date and goals?

5. EBay is cheap nowadays. Ha ha

6. Ok then dyno result is sufficient

You are getting excited Chris, how many times u reload-ed this page? Ha ha

Haha.. Just finish my lunch box in office. hahaa..

Here it goes again..

2. I'm sure there was no baseline cause it was probably running B-Series before this K-Series came along, unless we are seeing this K24 in a DC5 or EP3.

4. Hey bro.. Didn't you see the post say "Money was not an issue", so can purchase all parts at one go.. Not like us, where have to save and plan where the budget goes to and to plan what parts to buy in stages.

Sure, i'm excited :_: This is the second time i'm "hearing" a 300whp K24/K20 in Malaysia.. Want to learn more ma...

 

[nismo502]

Hai ya.. We were got technical.. Just being a little more specific. We are all here to learn and share experience. Right ZTH friends??? :tongwink:

J101 you should chip in your share too since you had been using ITB for daily driving. hehe...

And to help the poster answer some of your questions:-

1. please put the names of the mechanics and owner of the car - Mechanics must be from AdvanGarde since it is Advangarde Specs. Most owner will not reveal name. Moreover most owner doesn't even know there is a thread here on his car :regular_smile:

2. the car original spec before and after - No one in the forum here wants to know before. They only want to know what is this 300whp car now only. hehe..

3. make sure the photograph is clear and concise (both car and ppl) - Picture of car can get but posing with car, errr... so sorry bro.. owner want to keep low profile..

4. make sure the dates are correct since we want to know the duration of the build - Irrelevant, cause now digital camera can adjust date ma..

5. keep all receipts for proof purchase. if its from halfcut, we dun mind also - Who the hell want to show you receipts to proof??? I myself don even have all my receipts from all the parts i buy for my car. haha...

6. results from dyno, tracktime, dragtime - As said this is a streetable car with AIR-cond and Power Steering, so i assume its going to be daily driven only.. So you guys won't be seeing this car in action in any official drag or sunday track days.

But.... A dyno chart showing where it is dyoned and the date on them will be good to share. hehehe....

J101, don't flame me ya. hehehe :_:

EXCELLENT REPLY CHRIS :shades_smile:

 

[TheGame]

Wow so many eager responces! But now now boys let's play nice :regular_smile: . This thread was not meant to cause any trouble but simply to showcase what we've achieved here in Malaysia .

The mentality of some people never seize to amaze me. Must all Vtec engine buildup be for drag racing only!! 13 seconds this 12 seconds that. There are other forms of motorsports besides drag racing bro. Don't be so narrow minded.

Anyways am sorry for the 'sarcastic' remark dudes but was a wee bit irritated last night. We're currently prepping a car for the HKS time attack event in SIC and was sorting out some wiring issues till late last night :angry_smile: !!

 

[TheGame]

Why not ACT clutches? That would be a USDM alternative to Exedy Hyper Single. I think they make clutches for boosted honda's that would fit your application.

Actually we've tried a couple of different clutches from US before but we've never had much luck with them. Never tried ACT before though! Will KIV Shiroitenshi thanks :regular_smile: !Tried Clutch Master twin plates but the centre spline was sheered off after a couple of 'spirited' runs! Wanted to try Tilton clutches but they're way to expensive!!. Owner has tried Exedy before and never had a problem with it. Pedal feel is pretty light and the bite of it is excelento!! So we just decided to stick with Exedy cause it's pretty much problem free and easily available.

 

[TheGame]

Your spec is wow !! ,,,which workshop do you plan to do it ?? or which workshop are you from ?? and NA street built with Jenvey ITB ?? and what is Avangarde spec ??

Dude I'm from AvantGarde Mechanic. Yup Jenvey ITB's with air cond and it idles like a dream. Come over and chek it out! You'll definetly be amazed :omg_smile: !!

 

[TheGame]

In USA, where most of the K-Series scene are now, alot of people with K24/K20 hybrid are doing 300whp with just a single plenum (single throttle body). And guys with Jenvey/TWM 4 throttle are doing like 350whp!

Wow I honestly didn't know that:omg_smile: !As far as I know, Skunk2's Integra running a fully build K24 on methanol or alcohol or some funky fuel concoction is only getting 320+whp. And that's with ITBs! Would really like to know who can build a 350whp K:regular_smile: ??

 

[chris2000]

A link to my comment on another thread and also the dyno charts since it is not listed here.

Cheers bro..

http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/honda/148173-modding-a-dc5-4.html#post2131710

Where is this dyno center, Thiam Seng Autronic??? Singapore?? Cause never heard this dyno center here??

 

[shiroitenshi]

Well... thanks for sharing.. with this kind of power.. what kind of driveshafts are you using? The stock K unit?

 

[chris2000]

Wow I honestly didn't know that:omg_smile: !As far as I know, Skunk2's Integra running a fully build K24 on methanol or alcohol or some funky fuel concoction is only getting 320+whp. And that's with ITBs! Would really like to know who can build a 350whp K:regular_smile: ??

Let me get the link to show you!

So did you meant "You are Malaysian, you made a K24/K20 with road fuel to get 300whp is a great achievement where else other tuners can only make 320whp with ITB + racing gas??? So the USA tuner suck and you are Great???"

:shocked:

 

[TheGame]

Actually guys, I'm not able to reveal too much about the build as it is not fair for the many parties involved..especially for the owner :regular_smile: !! Alot of time, effort and $$$ has been invested to obtain the info and data that we have in our hands today. But I will reveal as much as I think is fair for all. Thanks B :angel_smile: !


K24 short block - Stock Honda K24 crank with stock 99mm stroke.

Forged pistons (AvantGarde spec) - Bore size, compression and valve relief depth was made to AvantGarde spec. The exact spec of the piston would be the trade secreat part :fear: . Will post pics later though so u can check it out yourself.

Forged con-rods - I beams with XXX length :fear:

ACL Race series engine and con rod bearings
K20A oil pump
K20A water pump

Custom Crower Cams (AvantGarde spec) - Cams were custom build to AvantGarde own valve lift and duration spec. "Wish I had my own cam making machine"

Crower Valve springs
Ferrea stainless steel valves

A custom ported cylinder head (port and polished by AvantGarde) - Because the K24 is such a long stroke engine, the stock K20 heads will choke the engine at higher RPMs.From the bore, stroke and static compression ratio of an engine, one can calculate an estimated figure on how much the engine can ingest. With that estimated figure we start working on the head. From our own experience porting heads, we roughly know how much to cut to achive the flow figures we're aiming for.Since we're using oversize valves, the valve seats had to be replaced and the angles recut to again our own spec :fear: .After which we cc all the ports n combustion chamber to make sure eveything is equal.Then the head is send off to be flow benched. From then on it's just touching up here n there to make sure all the ports flow as equally as possible.

Jenvey individual throttle body (AvantGarde spec) - Funnel length and size as well as the throttle body size would be the secret part :fear: !!

Hytech custom build race header for K24 - We basically gave them our entire engine specs; bore size, stroke, compression ratio, cam spec and application and they just sorted everything out for us. RM6xxx and 3 months later...

Hondata K-Pro
Exedy Hyper Single Clutch set (the only jap item!!)
ARP bolts and head studs
Cometic head gasket
AEM aluminium pulleys
RC Engineering injectors - :fear:

Ok guys I hope I've answered most of your questions already. Will post pictures later tonight so stay tuned. Again, for those of you who are genuinely interested in our build, please come by and have a look for yourself. You won't be dissapointed :regular_smile: !!

 

[TheGame]

Let me get the link to show you!

So did you meant "You are Malaysian, you made a K24/K20 with road fuel to get 300whp is a great achievement where else other tuners can only make 320whp with ITB + racing gas??? So the USA tuner suck and you are Great???"

:shocked:

Ehh no lah. Why so defensive :omg_smile: ? No what I meant was that I didn't know it was possible to to get like 300whp without ITBs or there was a 350whp K series. Take it easy bro..no pun intended!:embaressed_smile:

 

[hattech-v]

faster faster upload the dyno chart... hehe

 

[shiroitenshi]

Hytech custom build race header for K24 - We basically gave them our entire engine specs; bore size, stroke, compression ratio, cam spec and application and they just sorted everything out for us. RM6xxx and 3 months later...

Woah.. hytech headers... serious build, this one..


Anyway.. still got one unanswered question.. stock K driveshafts on a 300whp build? (O_o)

 

[nismo502]

A link to my comment on another thread and also the dyno charts since it is not listed here.

Cheers bro..

http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/honda/148173-modding-a-dc5-4.html#post2131710

Where is this dyno center, Thiam Seng Autronic??? Singapore?? Cause never heard this dyno center here??

my apologies, as mentioned in the other thread, car was tuned by Joel from Driven Asia Pacific - Drive the Future in Singapore. Thiam Seng Autronic is a dyno shop in Singapore.
As you know the head honcho personally, you can contact Joel to verfiy should you find it dodgy. And since you have more credibility than Gamer, maybe you liked to confirmed it here after you verify? Because whatever Gamer said is gonna be just another claim if there are no concrete evidence. Maybe thats why Gamer did encourage you guys to pay them a visit or contact them directly.
Btw, Joel is also responsible for orchestrating the engine build with abundance of information inputs directly from both Hondata and Crower. Avantgarde are the people who built and refined it. It is basically a collabaration. Then again...maybe 300whp with normal fuel, power steering and aircon is no big deal to a lot here in the forum.................
Seriously dude, I come here in peace. I just want to share FACTS. Nothing more....

btw, dyno chart again:
Yahoo! Photos - k24 flywheel power
Yahoo! Photos - k24 wheel power

And Avantgarde Contacts : James 0192828640, Eric 0173341223

 

[akuma]

wait,i remember reading frm Honda Tuning whr Hytech Exhaust has build their Acura RSX 2 hit 279whp,or was it 297whp?i can't remember...n its a K20A.d blue RSX was featured on d cover 2gether d Hasport's yellow Civic Si whc has a supercharged K24A under d hood!so,w a K24A,i guess 300whp is achieveable......
anyway,u keep asking ppl 2 come over 2 haf a look but i can't seem 2 find ur location..did u post it sumwhr n did i miss it?
thx

 

[V8_nutter]

Game ,,,hmm i dunno why your parts list didnt impress me,,,frankly. Its just another go buy parts whatever you want thread,,,i need more technical details, compression,,ignition setup,,crank design,,,port photos,,,chamber photos. Pls provide us the most realistic setup than you can share off. K20 excites me,,,,YES.

 

[hattech-v]

aisey... cannot wait for the dyno chart laa...
if cannot post here akuma oso can claim his b16 got 388atw hp....

 

[V8_nutter]

my apologies, as mentioned in the other thread, car was tuned by Joel from Driven Asia Pacific - Drive the Future in Singapore. Thiam Seng Autronic is a dyno shop in Singapore.
As you know the head honcho personally, you can contact Joel to verfiy should you find it dodgy. And since you have more credibility than Gamer, maybe you liked to confirmed it here after you verify? Because whatever Gamer said is gonna be just another claimed if there are no concrete evidence. Maybe thats why Gamer did encourage you guys to pay them a visit or contact them directly.
Btw, Joel is also responsible for orchestrating the engine build with abundance of information inputs directly from both Hondata and Crower. Avantgarde are the people who built and refined it. It is basically a collabaration. Then again...maybe 300whp with normal fuel, power steering and aircon is no big deal to a lot here in the forum.................
Seriously dude, I come here in peace. I just want to share info. Nothing more....

Feed us more technical spec pls,,,,k20 makes me hungry lah.:shades_smile: