If the drivers are not there to participate in the last session, it's not the organiser's fault. So whether driver's benefitted from the drier track or not, is up to the driver's decision to run or not. The opportunity was given to run at the last session and it was up to all drivers/ car owners to decide whether to run or not. If those drivers posted good times in the wet, they should know that as the track dries up, the lap times will drop, and if they don't run, somebody slower than them in the wet will eventually be faster then them. As far as i understand it, TTA is from 1-4pm, and within that time, do your best time, in whatever conditions. IMO, it was an accurate gauge, and NOT a misleading one because the timing is correct period.Hi Yee,
I would not read too much into the timings for the TTA event. To class the last OPEN session as a damp track is pushing it in my opinion. Does not matter whether it was NA-SS or NA-R because it would not make sense for the drivers to improve their timings from 3mins + to 240s in "damp" conditions other than a very much drier track condition. In fact, the timing are closer to dry times already. Although still a few seconds off depending on the mods of the cars from my own encounters with sunny hot trackdays, at least for the FD2 Type Rs.
Do hope that the organisers appreciate the feedback and work the event as per the briefing and make it a genuine time attack event where conditions are more or less equal/fair for participants. At the same time, its understandable its the first time such an event is being conducted by them and everyone is learning. Probably the second TTA Sepang event will be a more accurate gauge.
The Hall of Fame looks more like an F1 qualifying session result in the sense that some cars put in times that top the charts in wet weather and then as the track dried out, those who will still around benefitted from the drier track. And yet everyone is classified together under (damp) conditions, a misleading gauge of Sepang times.
Cheers
It would make every sense for the drivers to improve their timings from 3mins + to 240s in "damp" conditions. Bear in mind it's only a "drier" track and not a "dry" track. 3mins + is a very flooded track, and 240s is a damp track, can imagine that? The timings are just "closer" to dry times, but also not there yet. That few seconds off IS the difference between the damp and dry conditions, dude.Hi Yee,
... it would not make sense for the drivers to improve their timings from 3mins + to 240s in "damp" conditions other than a very much drier track condition. In fact, the timing are closer to dry times already. Although still a few seconds off depending on the mods of the cars from my own encounters with sunny hot trackdays, at least for the FD2 Type Rs.
hi Mistoh... didn't hear about that. we packed up after our last wet run lol. never mind, be back at the next round with proper tyres :) cya!
hi pdreamsHi Yee,
I would not read too much into the timings for the TTA event. To class the last OPEN session as a damp track is pushing it in my opinion. Does not matter whether it was NA-SS or NA-R because it would not make sense for the drivers to improve their timings from 3mins + to 240s in "damp" conditions other than a very much drier track condition. In fact, the timing are closer to dry times already. Although still a few seconds off depending on the mods of the cars from my own encounters with sunny hot trackdays, at least for the FD2 Type Rs.
Do hope that the organisers appreciate the feedback and work the event as per the briefing and make it a genuine time attack event where conditions are more or less equal/fair for participants. At the same time, its understandable its the first time such an event is being conducted by them and everyone is learning. Probably the second TTA Sepang event will be a more accurate gauge.
The Hall of Fame looks more like an F1 qualifying session result in the sense that some cars put in times that top the charts in wet weather and then as the track dried out, those who will still around benefitted from the drier track. And yet everyone is classified together under (damp) conditions, a misleading gauge of Sepang times.
Cheers
Hi wirahybrid, Thanks for the compliments, but it really was the effort of everyone that was involved. Especially the participants and spectators who've expressed their confidence in our first-ever event! Thanks for giving us the chance!It was an awesome event Tom. congrats for pullin it off even though it was raining heavily. Too bad though Kenneth S. couldn't make it that day. :vollkommenauf:
Morpheus, the event ended with a drying circuit. So all participants were classified as driving in the Damp.are all this car driving in wet condition or all at dry condition pls ?
hi blue.taxi, thanks for the heads up. I will take a good look at it right now.Tom,
U hv the turbo street right... I think u miss out the turbo semi-slick group... the top runner in that group was 2:35++ & the next 1 is ~2:40...
hi Abe, thanks for the suggestion, that is something we are planning to include :)it will be more glamor if pics of driver and pics of their rides inserted beside the result...
Hi Blue.Taxi, as promised, JDM Turbo Semi-Slicks have been added to the Hall of Fame. Thanks again for the reminder.Tom,
U hv the turbo street right... I think u miss out the turbo semi-slick group... the top runner in that group was 2:35++ & the next 1 is ~2:40...
Hi notorious, the Evo by Ahmad Zuhaili has been ammended to an Evo 6.5bro, i don't see any evo5 there.. the blu color one is TME 6.5 if i'm not mistaken right?
JDM NA
Rank Car No. Name: Car Lap Time (Damp) Class Team
1 6 Chris2000 FD2 Honda Civic Type-R 2:45.007 NA-SS Pentagon
2 1 Gareth Tan FD2 Honda Civic Type-R 2:47.810 NA-SS
3 8 Andy Chong FD2 Honda Civic Type-R 2:52.027 NA-SS Kazama
4 3 Lee Hong Chi FD2 Honda Civic Type-R 3:02.556 NA-SS
5 5 Mohamed Hizam Ishak DC5 Honda Integra Type-R 3:03.815 NA-SS Pentagon
Tom: base on the result sheet i have, result above is NA-R class, and some cars which clock faster than the top 20 road cars are missing. For example: car 25 in NA-SS
Hi mate,If the drivers are not there to participate in the last session, it's not the organiser's fault. So whether driver's benefitted from the drier track or not, is up to the driver's decision to run or not. The opportunity was given to run at the last session and it was up to all drivers/ car owners to decide whether to run or not. If those drivers posted good times in the wet, they should know that as the track dries up, the lap times will drop, and if they don't run, somebody slower than them in the wet will eventually be faster then them. As far as i understand it, TTA is from 1-4pm, and within that time, do your best time, in whatever conditions. IMO, it was an accurate gauge, and NOT a misleading one because the timing is correct period.
Other than that, yes, i think that some timing are missing, for example T-SS etc... :proud:
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It would make every sense for the drivers to improve their timings from 3mins + to 240s in "damp" conditions. Bear in mind it's only a "drier" track and not a "dry" track. 3mins + is a very flooded track, and 240s is a damp track, can imagine that? The timings are just "closer" to dry times, but also not there yet. That few seconds off IS the difference between the damp and dry conditions, dude.
Hi Tom,hi Mist
Sorry to hear that you didn't manage to do another hot lap when it was drier.
Thanks for confirming your early participation for round 2!
I hope to see you smash the records in the next Round!
hi pdreams
Thanks for your interesting opinion on the Time To Attack.
Though we'd very much like to offer the fairest competition to all drivers, the drying track from the early rain quickly changes the terrain. There are some who benefited from the conditions and some, not so much. But ultimately it's still damp (and oily), not the dry track we're all hoping for.
Of course, there are plenty of speculations about lap times and track conditions, but in such an event with various cars and drivers, we're all relying on what we have and can only get. For example, track rental time, timing devices, manning personnel and of course, weather.
If there was a choice, the Hall of Fame will be divided in Wet and Damp. But there isn't an either or that Sunday. Then again, statistics are recorded based a lot on driver's efforts. So there's no way to determine if it was fair for one driver and not for the other in such rapidly changing conditions.
Regarding your statement about it looking like an F1 qualifying result, that's probably because it is like one. The difference is, all participants are given a chance to do better all throughout the 4hr period + generous 1hr extension given by Sepang for the initial delay.
The Time To Attack Hall of Fame my not be the most perfect or accurate gauge there is, but it is still a damn good list to browse through. All thanks to the fine achievements by all participants who contributed to the list.
To say that the list is misleading because everyone's classified together under Damp condition is unfair. The fact is, all throughout the event, it has never been completely dry. There wasn't a separate wet session, a damp session and a dry session for such classifications. Having said that, it is also a fact that the Time to Attack event ended with a Damp circuit.
There is also no stopping other participants from trying to attain their best lap times all throughout the event. Likewise, if a participant only managed to clock their times in the wet or less than damp conditions, then he/she might not make their desired lap times.
But in the end, no situation is perfect. I certainly hope no one takes it to heart how the Hall of Fame turned out. We want everyone to make it to the list, however, the list can only mean something if there were criterias.
There were also extensively prepared cars running on slicks who just couldn't make a good time even if they tried any harder. We feel your disappointment with the less than ideal track conditions. Please do join us in Round 2 to reclaim your fame!
We thank everyone for the feedbacks provided, We will continue to strive to improve everything from registrations, categories, track sessions, and the accuracy of the lap statistics.
Pdreams, we totally enjoyed your video of the wet lap, fantastic performance!
YouTube- ZTH TTA Sepang 9 May 2010 Round 1
there is so few evos that day bro... not even 5. Versus a pack of them Scoobies.. hehehewow, interesting to see Subaru's are dominating above Evo's in JDM Road catagory...
Hi pdreams, thanks
Hi Tom,
Thanks for the lengthy response, you have every point put across well. I believe most of us look forward to Round 2. Its been mentioned countless times that its a great effort first time round. Quite believe this experience will lead to a better organised TA in the future.
Apologies if anyone saw malice in me stating that the times were misleading. I quite believe the charts have been updated abit in the sense that the times were set by cars that were driving in track conditions nearer to each other. I only meant misleading when I first saw my own name in NA-SS (a 3min NA-R time being clustered together with a 240-50s time). Didn't want anyone to come across thinking a 3min time is counted as a good time in "damp" conditions meant by the table. As you mentioned, it would be too much to further segregate the timing conditions. Personally, I was surprised and slightly embarrassed to be even be on the list at first. Am glad that that been balanced out. The table now looks more sensible.
Look forward to R2 of the TTA then.
hi twh, during this time, there were reports of oil surfacing(normal). But given a few more moments, the paths on the circuit would have been dry enough to be classified dry. But the event had to end at 6pm.Am sure that not everyone may have gone out during the last open session. However, imho. The last open session was at least 95% a dry track (racing line) Off the racing line is another story. The 5% slightly damp would have come from turn 3 and perhaps 7 and 8.
cheers
Yes, that is correct. The fastest man in sepang on the Time To Attack Hall of Fame!is #1 mohd Farriz Fauzi? Fairuz Fauzi's younger bro?
hi pandabAwesome effort frm Tom n the rest of the crew to host the first of such lap record event, EVER in Malaysia. My friends n I as spectators had a lot of fun watching and shooting pictures of awesome supercars, euros, japs n some Malaysian cars (yeay satria!!!) in action. Surely we'll be coming back to support the up coming ones this year. For only RM10(parking) to see all these babies doing their stuff in our own back yard is an awesome deal~
Congrats again ZTH ! Woo hoo~
Thanks again twh, see you at Round 2!Forgot the most important thing...
Was an incredible effort for ZTH and HPC to full off the event. Aside from the slight delay and some issues which were quickly cleared up by Tom and his team, the event was extremely enjoyable. Cant wait for the next one!!
twh
I should point out the top 2 in Turbo Road are driven by racing drivers, Tung Wei & Hammond " Hammer" Lai , who are SIC regulars and Driving Instructors.wow, interesting to see Subaru's are dominating above Evo's in JDM Road catagory...
Ken ... steady laa ... 4th place under Nissan cars wor .. congrats ..ermmm...at least he participate
paul:dun pull my leg la bro..it should be put to hall of shame instead.see the time compare to the NA car.Ken ... steady laa ... 4th place under Nissan cars wor .. congrats ..