Suzuki Swift vs Suzuki Swift Sport

[dfx16]

when you going to put in RB26DETT?

Tried before.. But engine size too big cant go in

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hahahaha where is this swift from?

The JWRC pix i googled no idea where its from my guess Europe
The 4G63T Swift from Aussie the owner convert it into 4wd also running with Motec, seq shift etc for hill climb race

 

[kenken]

Tried before.. But engine size too big cant go in

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The JWRC pix i googled no idea where its from my guess Europe
The 4G63T Swift from Aussie the owner convert it into 4wd also running with Motec, seq shift etc for hill climb race

inline 6 how to go in transversely? hehe....
aussies like 4g63t alot....i wonder why... the engine there must be very cheap there.....

btw, how do you guys manage to escape from the authorities in Sg with your "legal" cars? just curious to know... if you think this will bring trouble then don't answer la.. hehe..

 

[dfx16]

THE SLEEPER CLAN

1. Stock outlook / no bodykit
2. No decal
3. Stock spoiler / no spoiler
4. Guages hidden from outside view
5. Seldom attend club meetup as there's many big mouth around
6. Stay cool in public road dont provoke other
7. Clutch in and let car roll when close encounter with the authority
7. >>> To be continue by Onik if he can think of anymore <<<

 

[kenken]

dfx16 : erm.... but i thought you're a traffic light warrior? hehe

 

[aja]

m16a has potential!!

my mod:-
-custom exhaust system (from header to catback)
-monster airbox
-tm works inigtion amplifier
-tm works plug cables
-ngk iridium plugs
-okada projects plug coils
-16" ssr type-c with bridgestone re001
-tein typeflex

the car models i tapao b4:-
-lancer GT with filter+exhaust
-levin 4age 20v (6 speeds) with filter+exhaust
-latest civic 1.8/2.0, stock
-rx8 auto with filter+exhaust
-latest accord 2.4, stock but when i clocked 210km/h @ 7500rpm, accord climbing up
-satria gti with filter+exhaust

1 car i really lost kaw kaw is mitsu colt version R manual. from standstill to top end.

all above cars belongs to my frens. friendly match!! at expressway when at corners say bye bye to almost cars...

i think myvi n/a shud not be a problem.... tced myvi cant la...hehehe

yeah!! sss really needs 6th speeds. at highway really suffers.

Sometimes early this year i tried to chase Colt Ver.R ("CVR") also at Sunway expressway with my stock CT9A evo, but the CVR was damned fast!! Hard to catch. Out of sudden, don't know where disappeared. :hmmmm::hmmmm: BTW, is it CVR really fast ehh??

Yesterday afternoon around 2.00pm on PLUS hway from Ipoh to KL, got 1 yellow SSS able to keep-up with me initially on hway with my CL7 Euro R. Car look stock with new reg. no WSA****. I think SSS performance stockwise not that bad after-all.

My opinion on SSS for those plans to buy one:
1) Resale value
2) Parts
3) QC

 

[dfx16]

Need not break the rule to be the 1st in Q
On avg the next traffic light is between 100m ~ 200m away
And avg legal speed limit is between 50km/h ~ 60km/h
All i juz need is to achieve the max legal speed by the shortest time
By the time i achieve i'm approaching the next traffic light soon

LOL

 

[tykoh]

Sometimes early this year i tried to chase Colt Ver.R ("CVR") also at Sunway expressway with my stock CT9A evo, but the CVR was damned fast!! Hard to catch. Out of sudden, don't know where disappeared. :hmmmm::hmmmm: BTW, is it CVR really fast ehh??

CVR with 1500cc Mivec Turbo 163bhp with 210Nm
the car weight is almost same as Swift Sport too...
spec wise is consider very powerful already....

 

[oinkoink]

CVR with 1500cc Mivec Turbo 163bhp with 210Nm
the car weight is almost same as Swift Sport too...
spec wise is consider very powerful already....

yes crv on straight is fast but corner..... so so only

 

[kaizofmonster]

sss handling is consider the best at its class... to deverlop a good handling car is not easy to do. to push the engine to 150hp is not difficult for suzuki, they can just take either tc or sc like suzuki sports sc150. even if u are able to devolop your swift to 300hp also will not be highway king. can a swift handles speed above 250km/h like skylines do or do u have balls enuf to drive it.

but we can cucuk them at corners. hehehe...

remember! handling always come 1st then only hp. like human if u cant balance well how u gonna run faster?

 

[aja]

sss handling is consider the best at its class... to deverlop a good handling car is not easy to do. to push the engine to 150hp is not difficult for suzuki, they can just take either tc or sc like suzuki sports sc150. even if u are able to devolop your swift to 300hp also will not be highway king. can a swift handles speed above 250km/h like skylines do or do u have balls enuf to drive it.

but we can cucuk them at corners. hehehe...

remember! handling always come 1st then only hp. like human if u cant balance well how u gonna run faster?

if I was on SSS, I don't dare to cucuk those >250kmh cars (As mentioned skyline, or not mentioned Evo/STI) during corners. Why?. You will be surpised what the magic of 4WDT cars can do during high speed cornering. Don't think SSS would able to keep-up with those 4WDT on corners!! hehehehe

 

[kenken]

if I was on SSS, I don't dare to cucuk those >250kmh cars (As mentioned skyline, or not mentioned Evo/STI) during corners. Why?. You will be surpised what the magic of 4WDT cars can do during high speed cornering. Don't think SSS would able to keep-up with those 4WDT on corners!! hehehehe

erm...i think the sss will need to go thru a lot of mods to be reach 250kph... and regarding high speed corners, you ask oinkoink bout this... he will tell you how fast the 4wdt's are and how slow can sss can be... hehe

Need not break the rule to be the 1st in Q
On avg the next traffic light is between 100m ~ 200m away
And avg legal speed limit is between 50km/h ~ 60km/h
All i juz need is to achieve the max legal speed by the shortest time
By the time i achieve i'm approaching the next traffic light soon

LOL

hahaha... like that also can ar? hehehe... usually you play alone or play with other cars? what cars do you play with? when you rev hard like this on street sure attract alot of attention.... isn't it?

 

[dfx16]

I never provoke any before and total no interest try same ride or class
Friendly before with stock rex, euro-r, dc5r, lancer turbo, cvr and maybe some other more i cant remember
So far so
Kana tear big time by s204, sti, eg turbo and maybe some other more i cant remember
As for the s204 i didnt know its an s204 not until he pull off at an insane speed saw its badge from rear
Never try evo as almost 80% of local evo are monster
Out of curiosity tried chase down ferrari before
THEY ARE INSANELY FAST!!!

I'm not using BOV
Am using dump back valve hence still quite ok
Not attracting much attention
Moreover TC ride sound much softer than NA ride
With 2.5" full free flow exhaust car total silent while idle also

 

[oinkoink]

i only chasing and poke rex, cvr, civic, gti on SIC and PG.... straight kanna tear big time but i can brake later then them kekeke

 

[ckyee22]

SSS will not able to catch up those 280Hp with 4WD monster in 250Km/h in high speed corner....
Definitely NO.....!!
But when u start to think over again...if ur daily drive is in city or country road...how many corner is high speed ..how many corner is low speed ( let say >120km/h consider high speed )
mayb 70% low speed N 30% high speed ( juz based on gut feeling )...
therefore, when drive 280 hp with 4WD monster ..with those 70% low speed corner ..u will feel tat ur car will b very good in pick up..but u also feel tat u need to brake N accelerate very frequents..
if tis cycle keep repeating...it will waste a lot of time for braking , change gear N accelerate....

with tis factor...it will shorten or narrow down the gap with light weight sport car e.g SSS
the strength for SSS is low speed corner..which hv higher cornering speed limit and excellent braking..so tat mean if u no need to change gear , braking so frequent and gain higher speed during exit corner...if u put little bit effort to mod SSS..for me..it is possible to catch up those 280 Hp with 4WD in low speed corner...

in Malaysia...EVO or Impreza WRX Sti... these car consider King of the road..coz..i guess 95% in Malaysia..u will found tat..most of the car is not a high performance car...so the driver with EVO or Impreza WRX Sti don't need to think abt to improve their driving skills coz they don't need to.
so for those ppl 1st to buy EVO or Impreza Sti...they juz need to press the pedal to smoke others..most of these driver will not try to think to improve their driving skills but juz think of press the pedal N crazy for power..

but if u r a driver with a car like SSS...u will always think abt how to improve ur driving skills N increase the power in ur car...Y SSS driver will think abt to improve their driving skills? Coz every SSS driver will know..the weakness for SSS is power which is not enough for u to keep up with those high performance car N the strength 4 SSS is low speed corner, handling , braking...so u need to improve ur driving skills in order to know how to push ur car to the limit...with tis..it will narrow down the gap again...

Excellence skills driver with high performance car = God of Car. (A)
poor skills driver with high performance car = slow driver + fast car.( B )
Excellence skills driver with all arounded performance car (e.g SSS ) = Fast driver + not tat fast car ( C )....

so..in some circumstances like i mentioned above..C can beat B..but definitely B can beat C in straight line ....
but if B beat C in straight line...the B driver should shame on himself coz there a nothing to proud of...

but if the C driver beat B..do u know how much fun for C driver...i can tell u tat...it is really f*cking fun..hehe

but anyway...all i mentioned above juz based on my personal point of view...
if u found tat some of the points was wrong ..plz feel free N wellcome to reply...coz i also 1 2 improve my knowladge abt car...

 

[kenken]

I never provoke any before and total no interest try same ride or class
Friendly before with stock rex, euro-r, dc5r, lancer turbo, cvr and maybe some other more i cant remember
So far so
Kana tear big time by s204, sti, eg turbo and maybe some other more i cant remember
As for the s204 i didnt know its an s204 not until he pull off at an insane speed saw its badge from rear
Never try evo as almost 80% of local evo are monster
Out of curiosity tried chase down ferrari before
THEY ARE INSANELY FAST!!!

I'm not using BOV
Am using dump back valve hence still quite ok
Not attracting much attention
Moreover TC ride sound much softer than NA ride
With 2.5" full free flow exhaust car total silent while idle also

i wouldn't dare to play with scooby if i'm you.. hehe... wow... your car really low profile arr... no bov, no bodykit, nothing... what type of muffler are you using then?

i only chasing and poke rex, cvr, civic, gti on SIC and PG.... straight kanna tear big time but i can brake later then them kekeke

besides all the cars that you mentioned, other cars cannot poke meh?

SSS will not able to catch up those 280Hp with 4WD monster in 250Km/h in high speed corner....
Definitely NO.....!!
But when u start to think over again...if ur daily drive is in city or country road...how many corner is high speed ..how many corner is low speed ( let say >120km/h consider high speed )
mayb 70% low speed N 30% high speed ( juz based on gut feeling )...
therefore, when drive 280 hp with 4WD monster ..with those 70% low speed corner ..u will feel tat ur car will b very good in pick up..but u also feel tat u need to brake N accelerate very frequents..
if tis cycle keep repeating...it will waste a lot of time for braking , change gear N accelerate....

with tis factor...it will shorten or narrow down the gap with light weight sport car e.g SSS
the strength for SSS is low speed corner..which hv higher cornering speed limit and excellent braking..so tat mean if u no need to change gear , braking so frequent and gain higher speed during exit corner...if u put little bit effort to mod SSS..for me..it is possible to catch up those 280 Hp with 4WD in low speed corner...

in Malaysia...EVO or Impreza WRX Sti... these car consider King of the road..coz..i guess 95% in Malaysia..u will found tat..most of the car is not a high performance car...so the driver with EVO or Impreza WRX Sti don't need to think abt to improve their driving skills coz they don't need to.
so for those ppl 1st to buy EVO or Impreza Sti...they juz need to press the pedal to smoke others..most of these driver will not try to think to improve their driving skills but juz think of press the pedal N crazy for power..

but if u r a driver with a car like SSS...u will always think abt how to improve ur driving skills N increase the power in ur car...Y SSS driver will think abt to improve their driving skills? Coz every SSS driver will know..the weakness for SSS is power which is not enough for u to keep up with those high performance car N the strength 4 SSS is low speed corner, handling , braking...so u need to improve ur driving skills in order to know how to push ur car to the limit...with tis..it will narrow down the gap again...

Excellence skills driver with high performance car = God of Car. (A)
poor skills driver with high performance car = slow driver + fast car.( B )
Excellence skills driver with all arounded performance car (e.g SSS ) = Fast driver + not tat fast car ( C )....

so..in some circumstances like i mentioned above..C can beat B..but definitely B can beat C in straight line ....
but if B beat C in straight line...the B driver should shame on himself coz there a nothing to proud of...

but if the C driver beat B..do u know how much fun for C driver...i can tell u tat...it is really f*cking fun..hehe

but anyway...all i mentioned above juz based on my personal point of view...
if u found tat some of the points was wrong ..plz feel free N wellcome to reply...coz i also 1 2 improve my knowladge abt car...

sigh... no point comparing actually.... it's just a small car with very good handling.. thats all... tsuchiya can play with rx7 and R34 gtr with his oldschool AE86 also la... hehe

 

[oinkoink]

i wouldn't dare to play with scooby if i'm you.. hehe... wow... your car really low profile arr... no bov, no bodykit, nothing... what type of muffler are you using then?



besides all the cars that you mentioned, other cars cannot poke meh?




sigh... no point comparing actually.... it's just a small car with very good handling.. thats all... tsuchiya can play with rx7 and R34 gtr with his oldschool AE86 also la... hehe

the rest have to depend on driver already.... EVO and STi still can't touch them.... FD2R abit difficult... RX8 any time tar bao.. GTR dun think about it..... S2K also can't touch them... RX7 dun think about it....

you watch too much Initial D already

 

[kenken]

the rest have to depend on driver already.... EVO and STi still can't touch them.... FD2R abit difficult... RX8 any time tar bao.. GTR dun think about it..... S2K also can't touch them... RX7 dun think about it....

you watch too much Initial D already

sorry ar friend... i'm not really into AE86.... i prefer Wangan Midnight over Initial D... hehehe.... I saw 'Hot Version' from youtube. That's why I mentioned Tsuchiya.. hehe.. btw, is RX8 really that slow? I never really encountered any aggressive RX8 before...

 

[dfx16]

Kenken

I'm using no brand stock look universal muffler 2.5" in/out
Had u got your car?

 

[YellowFlash]

sorry ar friend... i'm not really into AE86.... i prefer Wangan Midnight over Initial D... hehehe.... I saw 'Hot Version' from youtube. That's why I mentioned Tsuchiya.. hehe.. btw, is RX8 really that slow? I never really encountered any aggressive RX8 before...

mind if i join in the conversation? haha...actually rx8 aint really that slow, its just that the ones here are mostly auto. The manual ones are pretty quick but it really depends on your definition of fast. autos 0-100 abt 7s+, manual ones will take about 6s. They are not exactly very fast off the line but i heard their mid to high end are not to be taken lightly. Due to the nature of rotary's high revving and the rx8's curvy streamline body and its FR layout...they have pretty good top speed despite their small "capacity" of 1300cc which is 2 650cc rotary...in actual fact, the output from this rotary is double that of a normal inline engine...so effectively it is ard 2600cc...

 

[oinkoink]

there are 2 version of RX8. one is low power which on paper is about 200bhp but seriously i dun feel that they got 200bhp.... some dyno only about 150 or 160 on wheel...
the other version is high power version rx8 is quite fast which is about 280bhp on paper... but is rare on road... look out for their blue brake calliper.

the big problem with rx8 is the cooling design of the engine. the car over heat pretty easy due rotary engine produce huge amount of heat and wear and tear. rotary engine actual fact you should multiply by 3 sue to the 3 phase of the engine. so if the 1.3 u need multiply by 3 which is 3.9L

I ever encounter a RX7 tar bao my friend's Nissan Skyline R33 at the speed of 280km/hr..... estimate the rx7 is having at least 800 bhp...

there is a rx8 in sg which is super claim pushing 300 over horse on wheel which only did 2m49s in SIC.... they make a big fuss that they are fast...... the thing i hate most of sg rx8 driver is they will think :stupid::stupid: their is super car and look down on other car where most of them doesn't even know how to drive.

ultimate is still the driver that matter regardless of which car you drive

swift sport is not a very fast car but overall is a good handling car with a reasonable price tag. i believe you will not be able to get a new car with the handling which swift sport had.

so learn to before you ever think of comment on other cars....

 

[YellowFlash]

as quoted from wikipedia: "National agencies that tax automobiles according to displacement and regulatory bodies in automobile racing variously consider the Wankel engine to be equivalent to a four-stroke engine of 1.5 to 2 times the displacement; some racing sanctioning bodies ban it altogether." ....do a search on wankel rotary engine.

Anyway im not really such a huge fan of rotary engines so im not sure about exact specs and their history but if my memory didnt fail me, the 2 version is 200hp and 240hp... Personally i have only sat in one which is auto and mildly modded, i could say it actually feels "normal" and slightly faster than normal 2L family sedan and most of the rx8 owners in Singapore buy the car for its looks only and not so concerned about its performance, for those real hardcore petrol heads, they would have gone for best bang for buck wrx and those with higher budget would have gotten either the STIs or EVOs.

i've driven my friend's stock SSS once, indeed the car feels great with punchy engine and good low end torque probably due to its close ratio gearbox. i bet it'd be pretty fun to bring it for a few rounds at the track.

ps: i've heard from a friend that one his friend had the rx8 engine sent to japan and tuned by RE-Amemiya and after it got back, the rx8 could do 0-100 in less than 5s, faster than the supercharged rx8 in the same group.. and i do agree that the driver's skill is definately more important than the car itself...

 

[kenken]

Kenken

I'm using no brand stock look universal muffler 2.5" in/out
Had u got your car?

believe or not... this is my third week waiting for the car to be delivered.. loan ok already... just need to wait for the car to arrive from KL and to be inspected and registration.. sigh....

mind if i join in the conversation? haha...actually rx8 aint really that slow, its just that the ones here are mostly auto. The manual ones are pretty quick but it really depends on your definition of fast. autos 0-100 abt 7s+, manual ones will take about 6s. They are not exactly very fast off the line but i heard their mid to high end are not to be taken lightly. Due to the nature of rotary's high revving and the rx8's curvy streamline body and its FR layout...they have pretty good top speed despite their small "capacity" of 1300cc which is 2 650cc rotary...in actual fact, the output from this rotary is double that of a normal inline engine...so effectively it is ard 2600cc...

yeah... i think its the auto trans that slows down the car la... i heard from my mech(who does a number of old school rotary powered cars) that RX8 needs to upgrade its ecu, i think he means standalone la.. coz he's a "PROTECH" support.. I love Mazdas too, I'm still driving my Mazda now until my new SSS arrives.. hehe
* PROTECH is a local made standalone ecu

there are 2 version of RX8. one is low power which on paper is about 200bhp but seriously i dun feel that they got 200bhp.... some dyno only about 150 or 160 on wheel...
the other version is high power version rx8 is quite fast which is about 280bhp on paper... but is rare on road... look out for their blue brake calliper.

the big problem with rx8 is the cooling design of the engine. the car over heat pretty easy due rotary engine produce huge amount of heat and wear and tear. rotary engine actual fact you should multiply by 3 sue to the 3 phase of the engine. so if the 1.3 u need multiply by 3 which is 3.9L

I ever encounter a RX7 tar bao my friend's Nissan Skyline R33 at the speed of 280km/hr..... estimate the rx7 is having at least 800 bhp...

there is a rx8 in sg which is super claim pushing 300 over horse on wheel which only did 2m49s in SIC.... they make a big fuss that they are fast...... the thing i hate most of sg rx8 driver is they will think :stupid::stupid: their is super car and look down on other car where most of them doesn't even know how to drive.

ultimate is still the driver that matter regardless of which car you drive

swift sport is not a very fast car but overall is a good handling car with a reasonable price tag. i believe you will not be able to get a new car with the handling which swift sport had.

so learn to before you ever think of comment on other cars....

i think you're talking bout the RX8 type s with 6 speed transmission is it? RX8 has too much specs and confused a lot of us.. As for the blue calipers, I only see Endless.. hehehe... Cooling has always been an issue for rotary engines..... until now still the same... but I love the sound produced by rotaries...

 

[oinkoink]

the calliper is blue with RX8 engrave...

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HowStuffWorks "How Rotary Engines Work"

 

[tykoh]

believe or not... this is my third week waiting for the car to be delivered.. loan ok already... just need to wait for the car to arrive from KL and to be inspected and registration.. sigh....

Swift sport is CBU import from Japan.... most likely you need to wait for it....
hmm.... hope you can get your car b4 the TT....

 

[YellowFlash]

kenken: hope you get ur car soon and remember to share pics of your car with us

oinkoink: i havent seen any rx8 with blue calipers but i do know that the manual and auto version comes with different specs...the 6speed manual comes with bigger brake rotors and calipers i think..