Twin turbo a 4cylinder engine (1big and 1 small turbine)

[vr2turbo]

drive boat dy...
still keep the sampan ? lol...

His next change is a yacht or cruiser.....lol

 

[Nightstalker1993]

Don't drive a car, my boat is small displacement with a small turbo - peak boost at 2.2k rpm give or take. So yes, it needs to be mapped to TPS and by gear, else it won't be truly linear.

Not really, entry level like the Haltech Sprint 500 doesn't have a boost control map. Instead people use the generic output and set it to the pwm/load map, but that's open loop. I had it, sold it.

AEM FIC8 is pretty advanced -- for a piggyback, can control boost better than the Sprint 500. But alas, i drive a boat, so no point having an advanced standalone.

Wow that sounds really interesting! Reminds me of those videos circulating of Thai boaters plonking 2JZ and RB25 in their sampans. Crazy! What engine you're running though? I'm guessing a marine specific engine? And what ECU are you using now? Tuning on water gonna be scary though, laptop kena water gg, unless got money but Panasonic ToughBook haha. And no, car ke, boat ke, aeroplane ke, as long as it has a 4 stroke internal combustion engine, it can definitely benefit from a well tuned standalone. Plus these days there are quite a number of standalones that are water, or at least, weather sealed, so should be no issues with salt water.

 

[Izso]

Wow that sounds really interesting! Reminds me of those videos circulating of Thai boaters plonking 2JZ and RB25 in their sampans. Crazy! What engine you're running though? I'm guessing a marine specific engine? And what ECU are you using now? Tuning on water gonna be scary though, laptop kena water gg, unless got money but Panasonic ToughBook haha. And no, car ke, boat ke, aeroplane ke, as long as it has a 4 stroke internal combustion engine, it can definitely benefit from a well tuned standalone. Plus these days there are quite a number of standalones that are water, or at least, weather sealed, so should be no issues with salt water.

Don't take him literally. It's still a car. Just a washy suspension car hence the boat reference.

 

[ixeo]

Don't take him literally. It's still a car. Just a washy suspension car hence the boat reference.

Washy is an understatement. Imagine driving the myvi in your household, full throttle exiting a corner, and imagine twice the power.

 

[Nightstalker1993]

Don't take him literally. It's still a car. Just a washy suspension car hence the boat reference.

Cehhh kena tipu, I thought really boat like those Thai fellas. Got me excited for nothing

 

[Nightstalker1993]

Washy is an understatement. Imagine driving the myvi in your household, full throttle exiting a corner, and imagine twice the power.

What's wrong with that?

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

Hi all,

Nothing to do try to do some research online but seem a bit blur here.
Let say if we have K3VETT with 1 ori IHI RHF4 turbine for pickup and another with bigger size for end power, what will be the advantage and disadvantages ya..
or we change to one IHI RHF3 and another one bigger..

Thinking of this since if small turbine no end power and big turbine will lag..

Any know please share ya

look into subaru legacy twin turbo setup...1big 1small

not easy to install/fabricate and certainly not easy to tune also

 

[ixeo]

What's wrong with that?

It’s not wrong. Just sailing. On the road.

 

[Nightstalker1993]

It’s not wrong. Just sailing. On the road.

The latest Miata is specifically tuned with body roll to improve mechanical grip....

 

[ixeo]

The latest Miata is specifically tuned with body roll to improve mechanical grip....

Tuned body roll != rolling like a boat.

You ever been in a boat? Cause boat's roll around in the waves based on, well, the waves, you have no control over it.

 

[Nightstalker1993]

Tuned body roll != rolling like a boat.

You ever been in a boat? Cause boat's roll around in the waves based on, well, the waves, you have no control over it.

Well, speedboat pretty stable

What I meant by tuned body roll means it has quite a decent amount of body roll and is done on purpose to improve mechanical grip

 

[ixeo]

Well, speedboat pretty stable

What I meant by tuned body roll means it has quite a decent amount of body roll and is done on purpose to improve mechanical grip

I am not sure if its done on purpose for the sampan (have to ask the engineers), but i can tell you there's no grip whatsoever from the roll, and no control.

 

[Kevinho]

Thanks, I try my best to keep it simple, and that image really does help understanding the system greatly.

Also can watch this video, the explanation on the video is superb.


VGT and Twin scroll is nothing new, both pretty much have the same goal which is to expand the turbo's efficiency range. But still out of reach of the mainstream production cars yet due to most probably the high cost for a VGT turbo designed to withstand the heat of a petrol engine, and also the complicated control strategies required to operate the VGT mechanism. If you can't wait, you can get a Porsche Also, the more moving part, the more chance of problems. I've seen the VGT vanes of a VGT turbo get stuck before so that's another thing to ponder as well.

Twin scroll turbos works by dividing the exhaust pulses, introducing the scavenging effect in a way and reduces interference between the pulses thus improving the engine as well as the turbocharger's efficiency. Since twin scroll turbos work by dividing exhaust pulses, the manifold design is of utmost importance and for a common 4 cyl, cyl 1 and 4 will be paired to 1 scroll while cyl 2 and 3 will be paired to the other scroll. If you install a single external wastegate on the system by combining both scrolls, you pretty much negate the benefits of a twin scroll as mixing between the cylinder pulses can then occur since you had basically combined the scrolls. A proper wastegate system on a twin scroll setup would require two wastegates. On a stock Evo 4+ turbo for example, there is actually 2 wastegate flappers operated by a common actuator so the gas really does stay divided all the way until after the turbo.

For more reading material on twin scroll turbos, can read a few links here

http://www.bmwblog.com/2010/01/02/twin-scroll-turbo-system-design-explained/
http://dsportmag.com/the-tech/twin-scroll-vs-single-scroll-turbo-test-the-great-divide/
https://www.rx7club.com/single-turb...s-single-scroll-vs-twin-scroll-turbos-903210/

so really, if possible, get a twin scroll turbo



No it is really completely different. Twin charging as in 2 identical sized turbos, main purpose is to reduce turbo lag by reducing inertial mass, but still suffers from choking up top. but even that seems to be phasing out now with more efficient turbochargers being introduced. Those people with RB and JZ engines which came with twin turbos are converting to single turbos and getting very good gains.

Compound charge on the other hand, as the video I attached describe, is really like running 2 seperate turbos, one for the low end and one for up top, vastly increasing your powerband. It's slightly different than staged turbo on certain production car where there are actually flaps or valves blocking/rerouting the gas flow while compound charge really is just suck air through this turbo and push air through the other turbo

Teach us your ways Senpai !

 

[Kevinho]

Is there a smaller turbo that kicks in at below 2000rpm ?
That will be great for city driving right ?

 

[Nightstalker1993]

Is there a smaller turbo that kicks in at below 2000rpm ?
That will be great for city driving right ?

Too small, and it might choke the larger turbo. Don't forget, the larger turbo is pushing air THROUGH the smaller turbo. It's all a compromise.

Teach us your ways Senpai !

I dunno what to teach, I don't run 2 turbos