Understanding Alternator Needs

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Do you need more current?

Most car audio systems today will probably have more than one amplifier and an extra battery or maybe a large stiffening capacitor. If this sounds like your system set-up you may want to consider an alternator change to increase the current output. The alternator is the source for all the electrical power your car uses. No matter what storage devices you have in extra batteries or capacitors, all the power that is consumed by your car and your system comes from the alternator. Are you overstressing yours?

Car companies do not make money by offering more than is required to operate the cars they manufacture. Alternator current output is no different. Stock alternators are designed to produce just enough to operate the car, as it is equipped from the factory. So, when you add any accessories that require additional electricity that will need to be produced by your alternator.

We are not telling everyone that has installed a system requires an alternator upgrade, but there are some signs you may be noticing such as dimming headlights, unexplained amplifier shutdowns, and slower starter cranking speeds. The bad news is that even if you don’t see these signs you may want to consider upgrading the alternator because of the detrimental effects to your system if enough power is not supplied.

Lack of power is not just measured by voltage. You must also consider current. When we speak of power we are considering both. Lack of an adequate supply of power to your system can cause such problems as damaged amplifiers, blown speakers, and distortion. It can also affect the life of you main battery as well as the extra battery if you have one by inadequate charging. But, the real damage is in the system. Lack of adequate power to the amplifier can cause the amplifier to go into a clipping condition, which can cause damage to the speakers and cause the amplifiers to produce more heat because it must work more. The heat that builds up inside will shorten it’s life. So, how much did you invest in your system? Protect your investment by paying close attention to providing enough power to your system.

Without getting into a lot of detail of alternator designs, heat is the killer. The main component affected by the heat in the alternator is the rectifier. It is also the main source for producing heat and is what fails when affected by heat. One way to protect the alternator is by shielding it from the engine heat. The alternator is located by the engine, a major producer of heat; produced from the radiator, exhaust manifolds and engine block. The alternator will be affected by this heat in combination of the heat produced by operating. The combination of these two heat sources may cause the alternator to overheat.

To decrease the source of heat from the engine you may try shielding. To do this it is suggested that you purchase a sheet of aluminum, available from your local hardware store. Form it around the alternator and attach it to the engine. DO NOT ATTACH OR TOUCH THE ALTERNATOR. This will help direct the heat around and away from the alternator reducing the killer heat. Also, stay away from pretty plated chrome or gold alternators. The plating prevents heat dissipation causing the alternator to hold more heat in. Remember, heat kills!

When replacing your alternator with a high output alternator, be sure you understand the specifications. One to watch for is output as it pertains to current (amperes or amps) output. Be sure that the specification shows the output current based on RPM. The higher the RPM the higher the current output. A stock 62 amp alternator can produce over 100 amps if the RPM’s are high enough. A good manufacturer will spec the current output at 1500 to 2200 RPM.
 

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good 1..i think most of us had to change it after this...btw, anyone know where can get larger cmpere alternator for kancil?
 

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how to counculate how much to upgrade? hehehe.. i hav all the symtoms you mentioned... guess mine is in the process of retiring...
 

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craziechild said:
how to counculate how much to upgrade? hehehe.. i hav all the symtoms you mentioned... guess mine is in the process of retiring...

Are U currently running Stock Alternator from ur car...??
if so are u running stock ICE or Upgrade ICE ...Woofer & AMP ?
A stock alternator is OK but if can get a higher power Alternator like 110amp to 200amp will be better..u can notice sound better ...same as you listen house HIFI...you need more RAW POWER to drive....beside this it do help abit on car performance...if you can get u can ask ppl to mod ur alternator to a high power output but that i have to say no gurantee on power output...u know lah ....all the time say can....cause they want your money...:_:
 

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howiechoo said:
good 1..i think most of us had to change it after this...btw, anyone know where can get larger cmpere alternator for kancil?

i have to say all the time we more power full ICE but how many ppl do upgrade their Alternator??...u can ask any ppl....sure none...!!! but on those guy play ICE ON SPL their know about it...if their want to have more DB...haha
 

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hehe.... like tht ah..
i personally know a guy who can mod it... but dunno mod till how much Ampere... currently using stock one 75A... dunno need to mod till how much... i still findind my amps rite now... hopefully will find them soon.. is it need to se the fuse on the amp then can decide one? roughly how you countculate?
 

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ya ya..go and mod it..i saw a kicker demo car go to heaven b4..cos he mod the alternator to give more ampere...then all his kicker amp and sub and compset, ECU, meter, car wiring and others.. all gone..totalled lost the whole car electronic..
cost him 4k plus to get back the stock car electronic..didn include ICE.....btw, his car is satria 1.6....
mod alternator will also increase voltage...a voltage aboce 15 all the time will only stress the amplifier power supply...although it state 12-16v it can tolerate, but if u go to 15V or higher all the time, it will only make the amp more heat and blow the power supply unit.....
 

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craziechild said:
hehe.... like tht ah..
i personally know a guy who can mod it... but dunno mod till how much Ampere... currently using stock one 75A... dunno need to mod till how much... i still findind my amps rite now... hopefully will find them soon.. is it need to se the fuse on the amp then can decide one? roughly how you countculate?

on that how to countculate ...hehe....1st how much power ur ICE running?? ur AMP & ur Woofer .....yes you can look for any guy in town but try to ask him to show you the real Ampere output.....you can try 110A to 150A...sure change ur life after this....
 

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howiechoo said:
ya ya..go and mod it..i saw a kicker demo car go to heaven b4..cos he mod the alternator to give more ampere...then all his kicker amp and sub and compset, ECU, meter, car wiring and others.. all gone..totalled lost the whole car electronic..
cost him 4k plus to get back the stock car electronic..didn include ICE.....btw, his car is satria 1.6....
mod alternator will also increase voltage...a voltage aboce 15 all the time will only stress the amplifier power supply...although it state 12-16v it can tolerate, but if u go to 15V or higher all the time, it will only make the amp more heat and blow the power supply unit.....


haha...this is why ppl here mod and mod...then dont know how much it came out and how stable is the power of the Alternator after mod...??how can tell me this ??
 

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i think start with 100A.. tht should be nice for me liao... actually i jus wan a stable 13.8v... and my car if i dun close the HU before i start... it will will not start... ifliek idle there and the ICE is running... off the car liao then next time satrt also canoot sometime... the battery confirm no problem cuz jus chage one...

cheers...
 

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I just change my pioneer 5750 few days back to 7750, it can show my car's system voltage, with engine not running, it shows 12.2-12.4 volt, with the engine running it shows 13.5-13.9 volts. My ICE consits of 2 L.A. amps(total power is around 500 watt rms or lesser), the rest is all stock eletronic components.
I only change to a bigger battery 60amp, stock battery is 45amp if I not mistaken. So far I have no problem with it, think of change to a bigger alternator, but seems like very risky to do so after read Howie's statement. The amp actually can take up to 14.4volts, but how about car eletronics? Heard that they only c an stand up to 13-14volts.
 

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like tht ah... wan to ask... which brand of voltmeter is accurate ah? got think of install one but scared not accurate one...
 

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craziechild said:
like tht ah... wan to ask... which brand of voltmeter is accurate ah? got think of install one but scared not accurate one...
now have to go back to basic....if you really want real accurate you have to use Digital Multimeter for testing and checking....ur car volt from battery and ur alternator.....ur even can try alot more things on Digital Multimeter ...remember get a good Digital Multimeter...if u got from jalan pasar...those also can but abit or some offset accurate...
 

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Wanna change alternator ka, car very berat oooo :regular_smile:
 

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energie said:
Wanna change alternator ka, car very berat oooo :regular_smile:

so tell me which is heavy alternator or Car battery??
 

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hmmm... after upgrade also the same? hehe...

actually about the upgrade... wut to upgrade? the whole alternator or the inner coil thing only? can shed some light SPL sifu?
 

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Erm.. Energie was referring to the berat as in your car performance. If you stick in a higher ampere alternator, your car had better be big CC car cuz smaller CC cars will suffer in terms of performance. I can't remember how it works, something about generating enough current or something. It'll help your ICE, but it'll kill your performance. Rarely will you get to see a SPL car have good performance.
 

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