Should We Have Arms or Weapons In The Car To Protect Ourselves?

Should We Keep Weapons In The Car?

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Since crime rates are always in the rise I have a question to ask fans of ZTH here. Are weapons and arms necessary to be kept in the car to protect ourselves?
IMO I won't and don't keep any of these items including steering lock to protect myself as I believe I'm protected if I don't leave my vehicle if I encounter with a road bully of theft. In such cases where theft (i.e: breaking your window to get your handbags or monies left on the passenger seat) is concerned we cannot do much since it's unforeseen in most cases.
When one is faced with a road bully it's best to drive off to the nearest Police station to make a report even it meant denting your vehicle to get out of harms way. If we keep weapons or arms in the car there is a tendency to use it. Result would be serious injury or death:nurse: to either party. In both cases it's a lose lose situation whereby you sustain serious injury or death and the assailant may get away. If you do bring them down you might be detained by the police for questioning of may be worst be charged with assault or murder.
So give your views so that more will hopefully live to see another day:driver:
 

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well, to think of it, your steering lock could also be classified as a "weapon" too..so what gives to add some other protection besides that? if still in doubt or when followed by suspicious wannabe's...just drive to the nearest police station and be safe. first thing first...do not stop!!
 

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You got that right. It's because you have a weapon in your car and the tendency is you will use it. If there aren't any weapons available I think most of us would just go to the nearest police station unless your fist is bigger than the other.
 

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i carry butcher's knife, baseball bat, steering lock.
i have to protect my family if anything happens.....will chop off the asailants head if i have too...haha....
1. few yrs ago i used to keep 2 baseball bats at the rear.....kena tahan by police...they asked me y i carry those? i said for protection....then he said can...but carry one enuf.....

2. 10 yrs ago, carried parang in boot, got stop by police....taken to police station for investigation, after 1 hr, released haha....i told him i used it to cut the lalang behind my hse......but forgot to take it out from my boot.
 

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for me the steering lock baseball bat look alike would be sufficient.
as for mom + sisters.. bought them pepper spray since it is lighter and easy to carry around + security films as for the famous smash-grab-go modus operandi going on now.
 

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hehehe..should good in choice weapon to kkep in our car as polis might caught us if they found many many dangerous weapon in our car in roadblock.
so,i think golf stick,umbella,sterring locker,lidi(like our old time school teacher always hold that stick)what it is call?i think no problem if polis found that item in our car.we can tell them i wan teach our kid in car as they too "nakal" :proud:
 

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rotan ka jimmy? (feather duster) got bulu2 ayam wan rite......

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but now those snatch thives smart edi, they wear full face helmets...so the pepper spray does not work.
need to buy stunt gun haha.....
 

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Don't worry. If the situation out of hand your car is your biggest weapon. Can always say "I was so scared that I mistaken the accelerator pedal for the brake pedal" to the police officer.
 

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reminds me of the pink shirt unker vs youngster incident...

the feeling must be horrible when your baseball bat end up is used by others knocking ur own head :stupid:
 

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that incident was a joke ... sendiri salah lagi mau carik gaduh ....he's lucky that the youngster was only defending himself n didnt whack him kaw2.

Using rotan is one of the method that most lorry, van drivers used. THe police can't do anything with that weapon. Not the feather duster type laaa but the one that dicipline teacher always use ... kinda thick type. I still remember one incident were the police use rotan to whack mat motor gate crashing at their roadblocks... Sakit woooo !! :nurse:

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rotan ka jimmy? (feather duster) got bulu2 ayam wan rite......

yup bro,it call rotan but mine is big rotan no bulu2 ayam,almost like kayu.i just keep it on my car under driver seat.it okay,who will know if we really in hurry,where got time to open rear boot rite?somemore mr polisman cant sayin something rite if they found it in my car rite.it not too dangerous like baseball stick.:adore:
 

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i belief many not...most probably just 2 scare off....coz hav 2 think twice
 

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Most of the time when both parties have weapons it always turns out ugly. Anger breeds violence and most of the time it's difficult to turn back. We don't want our families to grieve over us. So be safe and try not to have weapons in the car. If it's not available we won't use it.
 

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firstly thks for very thought provokin question. i wld nt keep sharp things but i wld consider something blunt that can be used as weapon if have to protect myself or family in the car. i used to keep a short buloh cane like the ones used to make furniture under the car seat. if whack hard it can break skull. never had to use it thankfully.
 

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All the parangs, rotans,iron rod, steering lock....etc will be useless if the other person has a gun.
 

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Just keep phone numbers of police stations nearby and don't get down from the car. That's the best. Like aalto said, maybe the other person might have a gun or a parang longer and sharper than yours.
 

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really use bo if we call polis station nearby?or 999?i no sure what number i should call if really in trouble...just worry when i call them,"sila tekan 1 untuk bm, press 2 for inggeris...bla bla.... waste time lo...then tekan 1 untuk report kehilangan 2 untuk report kematian bla bla...h:stupid:ahaha!!!
 

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really use bo if we call polis station nearby?or 999?i no sure what number i should call if really in trouble...just worry when i call them,"sila tekan 1 untuk bm, press 2 for inggeris...bla bla.... waste time lo...then tekan 1 untuk report kehilangan 2 untuk report kematian bla bla...h:stupid:ahaha!!!
At least try to call while being chased by a maniac who wants to kill you lo. If not "sila tekan 4 untuk repot kematian". If like in Bukit Mertajam it's different. Most businessman have walkie talkies to report crimes. Signal radius is 1km and people around the 1 km radius will come to your rescue if you call for help or to report a crime. Not sure why KL don't have this. This walkie talkie community was started by a businessman and all one needs to do is buy a walkie talkie for RM300+ and you will have a membership number which you need to mention everytime you report. Police are hooked up to this frequency also.
Anyone wants to start this in KL? Can make some money at the same time can cut down crime rates. Normally if a stolen car is reported immediately the chances of getting it back real high cos people who come across the car can tail it and report their location.
 

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No la Danz, I didn't get the walkie talkie because i'm in Penang till end of the year only then going back KL. But those walkie talkies are really helpful. Even the Evo X police car will chase the suspect. One guy even managed to flip his car to make sure the thieves don't get away.
Drama la here in BM.
 

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i carry butcher's knife, baseball bat, steering lock.
i have to protect my family if anything happens.....will chop off the asailants head if i have too...haha....
1. few yrs ago i used to keep 2 baseball bats at the rear.....kena tahan by police...they asked me y i carry those? i said for protection....then he said can...but carry one enuf.....

2. 10 yrs ago, carried parang in boot, got stop by police....taken to police station for investigation, after 1 hr, released haha....i told him i used it to cut the lalang behind my hse......but forgot to take it out from my boot.

Nice! haha! ive got a switchblade, fire extinguisher, 1 baseball bat, and brass knuckles
 

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A brass knuckle might get you some serious trouble too if stopped by police. These brass knuckle was seen sold at cheras beside the velodrome a couple of years back.
 

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Totally agree. We need weapon for self defence, not for killing. xD
So i get myself a STUN Gun.
 

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Got weapon, after whack people, if the person doesn't die, you'll be sued and go to jail. If that person died, you become murderer and need to bare the sin for the rest of your life if you never get caught then sentenced to death or jail for 10-20 years. If beh tahan, just ram the car towards the party you wanna whack. Make it looks like accident. Die or no die also never mind, the worst for gagal mengawal kenderaan is a piece of RM300 saman. So what's the point for having weapon in the car? If someone break your window for taking handbag, by the time you get your weapon, he already gone. Further more, if they sibeh tulan, both got down motorbike and attack you then even worst.

If you cannot get real gun (self defense is allowed for those who rich enough to have a gun license), then use your car (unable to control the car and cause accident). Want do, make sure the opposite party die (cannot mark you and revenge). If you don't dare to kill people, then no need to have weapon. Just shout for help or report police. Of cause, as you know the security is not good, need to wake up la. You know people like to pecah cermin, don't la put handbag or expensive stuff just right on top of the seat or any easy expose place. Do risk assessment for every single thing. If you did all your best but still kena, then you can blame the god for so unfair else just like I said, ram them down then reverse and roll few times to make sure they die. After that, straight go traffic police station and report accident. Say you got accident and don't know how the car roll few times. Admit that you didn't wear seat belt and talking on phone.
 

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vey useful with walkie talkie...i know but normally in kl and klang valley only for gangster or tow man maybe they really doin big biz lo...very "lan ci" that boss wear lot of gold chain on his body driving big bmw m6 with 6 walkie talkie get out from his car for breakfirst at hot popular kopitiam at klang choong kok...nearby klang ktm station...:proud: if wan use it,really need collect ppl first..if not,with who we talk?hehehe..
 

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Since crime rates are always in the rise I have a question to ask fans of ZTH here. Are weapons and arms necessary to be kept in the car to protect ourselves?
IMO I won't and don't keep any of these items including steering lock to protect myself as I believe I'm protected if I don't leave my vehicle if I encounter with a road bully of theft. In such cases where theft (i.e: breaking your window to get your handbags or monies left on the passenger seat) is concerned we cannot do much since it's unforeseen in most cases.
When one is faced with a road bully it's best to drive off to the nearest Police station to make a report even it meant denting your vehicle to get out of harms way. If we keep weapons or arms in the car there is a tendency to use it. Result would be serious injury or death:nurse: to either party. In both cases it's a lose lose situation whereby you sustain serious injury or death and the assailant may get away. If you do bring them down you might be detained by the police for questioning of may be worst be charged with assault or murder.
So give your views so that more will hopefully live to see another day:driver:
haha
i used to bring a big ' spanar hidup ' place under driver seat
that the great place to keep weapons or anything
we can use the things fastly
if in the bonet take times to take it
safety is important:stupid:
 

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haha interesting

for me i put 1 foot -expanding baton in the car-small, neat and quite handy when needed.. had experience on road bullies and i dont think, at that time, even police can save u, its u and either u drive off as hard as possible if u can or like my case, being cornered and u cant go anywhere.

imagine the assailant cornered u and he got dangerous weapons and u have none

cheers peeps
 
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hahaha...bring ur big pet in car lo,can call them as weapon too if ur dog enough big and "garang" hehehe..i have to bring my dog to jalan jalan too on weekend round round lo
 

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vey useful with walkie talkie...i know but normally in kl and klang valley only for gangster or tow man maybe they really doin big biz lo...very "lan ci" that boss wear lot of gold chain on his body driving big bmw m6 with 6 walkie talkie get out from his car for breakfirst at hot popular kopitiam at klang choong kok...nearby klang ktm station...:proud: if wan use it,really need collect ppl first..if not,with who we talk?hehehe..
Yup, can start with ZTH fans first ma. If not i call you, you call me susah la. I'm in Penang and you are in KL. If not you can make friends with the gang leader driving the M6 and can walkie talkie his konco when come across trouble. Hehe.
 

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Just a question.

How do you plan to employ these accessories in response to a situation ?

Since the accessories are stored inside your car, presumably you intend to armed yourself, and then exit the vehicle to meet a threat.

You can probably plead self-defence, but even a lame prosecutor will point out that you could have simply driven off. Why didn't you ? Instead, you escalated the situation by staying, arming yourself and exiting your vehicle and then engaging your opponent. In short, the other side will say you did not do enough to diffuse a diffusable situation.

5115 gave a good example of a 'diffusable situation' with that infamous pink shirted uncle with the baseball bat. He could solved the traffic incident in an amicable discussion but chosed instead to negotiate while brandishing a baseball bat. F**king stupid, if you ask me.

Coming to the defence of another (for example, a loved one) :- This could probably be successfully argued but it will also depend on the gravity of the situation giving rise to the altercation. If it was just some guy having a mere argument with your relative and you whipped out your crowbar and beat the other fellow senseless, you are going to be charged and thrown in the slammer, guaranteed. The level of your response will be taken into account to determine if it was a justifiable level of force.

Use some common sense during arguments and don't be stupid about it.

Over-estimating your physical and mental abilities :- Most people do not have an honest, no-BS self-assessment of their limitations and tend to think the world of their ability to handle any given situation. Most of us here are not trained and preconditioned in martial arts and the employment of weapons. And even if you are, other factors often stacked the odds against you. Being surprised, for one, being outnumbered, for another.

Again, the pink shirted uncle is a prime example. Go in like a Lion, come out like a Lamb. How embarassing.

Your car, your ability to stay within it, your ability to maintain its mobility and your self-awareness is still your best weapon. If you want to be convinced, just look at that one female who recently took out two snatch thieves with her car.

If you want to keep accessories in the car, at least try to have stuff which will not look out of place in a vehicle. Stuff like steering locks, or rotans (people use it for hiking and morning walks. It can also double as a deterrent against aggresive animals/pets). Anything else, and you run the risk of complications with the law.

If you get yourself involved in any violent altercations, law enforcement personnel will naturally be curious why you choose to carry controversial items such as parangs/baseball bats in your vehicle.

The impression is that you are pre-meditated towards a course of action that involves the use of this items. Whether you intend it or not, you run the risk of being profiled as someone who is out looking for a fight rather than avoiding it.

On a whim, you can of course give them a BS story that you use a parang to trim the lalang in your property, but under heavy police interview, most BS story will fall apart. Cops are trained at picking out facts from BS. You better have a really original story to tell because the cops have heard it all. "Do you regularly trim lalang ? When ? Can you show me the property where you did this ? Does the property belong to you ? What's the baseball bat for ? Oh, really, how often you play baseball ? With whom ? When ? "

Making up lies and tall tales as you go along is very bad idea. Most people get flustered under the anxiety of a police interview. A skilled police interviewer will punch holes in your little tale and trip you up. You may well have been innocent or made a justifiable self-defence, but if you start off lying and get caught doing it, that's a black taint on your integrity. The cop will treat you as a liar. What should really have been routine and non-suspicious, will now end up being flagged for further scrutiny.

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Totally agree. We need weapon for self defence, not for killing. xD
So i get myself a STUN Gun.
You big talk only.

Stun guns and Tasers are illegal without a carry permit.

In order to be issued one, you have to pass a police interview and scrutineering process. As far as Malaysia is concerned, Tasers are not issued to general civilians. And you cannot buy a Taser over the counter.

Those electrocutor/immobilizer devices you sometimes find being sold under counter are illegal. They are classified as deadly weapons. If you get caught with one of these things in your person, you will be charged for the illegal possession of weapons. If you are involved in a violent incident with one of these things, and even if you are defending yourself, you are still f**ked with the law.

You have been warned.
 
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What FVel says is true although there is some more that can be added so we're all informed. The law says that you have every right to defend your self and personal property. However, it only allows the use of reasonable force to do so. If someone attacks you with a weapon and you fight back barehanded, then you're safe. If someone comes at you with a parang and you happened to have a steering lock under your seat, if in the event the other guy suffered injuries then it can be argued you used reasonable force. Parang is a weapon while steering lock isn't.

There is a precedent for a case of self defense whereby the victim had a weapon far superior than the attacker.

I'm referring to an incident in Bangsar involving a very senior lawyer who had the license to carry a concealed firearm and was confronted in act of road rage by a motorist who had a wood/bat of some kind. Being in his late 70s or early 80s (can't remember was like at least 5 years ago minimum probably 7 years ago) whilst the assailant was younger, he felt threatened and fired a warning shot. However, the other guy still came towards him so he shot the guy dead on the spot. Judge acquitted him and he was found not guilty.

So you can use a weapon to subdue an assailant in the event your life is in danger but make sure you are licensed to carry one. Not everyone qualifies for one and most likely never ever will but just to point out the fact that carrying a weapon does not necessarily constitute premeditated violence/motive on the part of the victim. Its a rare situation but legally its a precedent.

For most people, your best option is a steering lock or a Maglite - both are common items kept in most cars and won't get you into trouble. Good luck, Malaysia isn't what it used to be.
 

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Actually the lawyer that fired the gun should have aimed at the deceased leg or something. Probably being at that age his aiming is not that sharp so he went for the easy target.
 

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how the extendable rod thinggy, even sold at pasar malam..
is that legal?
Those are definitely illegal. If you noticed the extendable rod normally get displayed together with knuckle dusters. But these items get sold out fast. people always like weapons.
 

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Actually the lawyer that fired the gun should have aimed at the deceased leg or something. Probably being at that age his aiming is not that sharp so he went for the easy target.
That sounds good in theory but completely unworkable in practice.

I'm not trying to needle you for coming up with that suggestion, but since we are here info-sharing, I might as well be more straightforward. No offence intended.

That 'shoot the assailant to wound' theory is something we hear all the time from folks who never ever used a firearm under extreme stress (eg. when you are being assaulted).

At various points in my life, I have employed firearms...mainly in sports (hunting, target shooting, and combat style IPSC typ-events). In the last catergory of competition, the emphasis is on self-defence scenarios.

A few points are relevant :-

1. Any reasonably fit assailant and those who are physically under the influence of controlled substances (drugs, LSD, etc) will be able to cover a distance of 20 feet in less than a second. That's faster than a lot of people can clear their gun from a concealed holster. If you don't believe me, you can simulate this yourself. All you need is you, a friend, and a stopwatch. Have your buddy pace out 20 feet distance and have him turn to face you. On your 'Go' signal, have him make a run at you full tilt. As soon as he reaches near enough to shoulder tap you, stop the stopwatch. Any threat with a knife or blunt weapon 20 feet or closer is lethal.

2. Bullets don't stop people dead in their tracks despite what you see in the movies. This is made worse by the fact that the presence of adrenaline or drugs in the body of an assailant will lessen any perception of pain, and in many cases (eg. with assailants high on PCP) the body does not perceive pain in the normal sense and does not react in response to stimuli of inflicted pain (eg. bullet wounds). The only guaranteed instant one-shot stop is a shot to the central nervous system (the brain, the spine). Lung shots are notorious for failures to stop. It can be fatal eventually, but your assailant will have plenty of steam left to kill you before he expires. Generally, they teach a double-tap. Two quick consecutive shots to body centre mass and continue as necessary until target is down This is the largest, most easily aimed target during high stress and where major organs are located (specifically the heart). Hits to aorta or any large vessel of the heart are fatal and will cause an almost instantaneous loss in blood pressure to render an assailant non-effective. Hits to the extremities such as legs and arms are poor stoppers. There are major arteries running through your leg, namely the femoral artery which is potentially fatal when severed due to massive bleeding, but your assailant won't bleed out before he has time to knife you.

3. Most folks can't shoot for shit, much less do it during stress under the threat of life and death. Despite what you might think, not many firearm owners are really proficient with their guns. The standard Malaysian police annual re-qualification course for licence renewal consist of the applicant standing at a peaceful gun range and taking all the time they need to put a full magazine of bullets into an inanimate target (aprrox 2.5' x 2.5' feet) downrange at around 50 feet. As long as you put all the bullets within the target, you pass. It's a piece of cake. By the way, the target does not shoot back, nor does it charge at you with a knife. Under assault, it's understandable that most gun owners do not have the composure to pull off exceptional marksmanship. It's difficult enough to centerpunch an assailant with a double-tap, much less with multiple assailants and with civilian in the background.

Shooting the leg, or shooting to wound is easily said but not something easily accomplished.

In my opinion that lawyer did everything right. I read that case before. He did not escalate the fight. It was the other guy who went for him and did not stop even after he saw the firearm and was challenged to stop. When he continued advancing with weapon in hand, the ingredients for next level of force was met. Notice one important thing...the court never insist on a need to 'shoot to wound'. The court was only concerned whether his response was disproportionate. Under the circumstances, it was deemed justifiable. The consequences of the assailant (whther he lived or died) is not relevant once the employment of a firearm was justified.

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how the extendable rod thinggy, even sold at pasar malam..
is that legal?
It's a retractable baton. There are no other plausible uses for any any baton other than its use as an impact weapon. So it might be tricky explaining to the cops if such an item is found in your possession.

As [Pimpin] suggested, a Maglite will be a more explainable option. Made of high strength aluminium, the longer ones are hefty and durable enough to double as an impact weapon. There is nothing sinister for keeping a Maglite torch in your car...(for breakdowns and illumination etc)
 
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Good write FVel....in most cases....yes we talk when things doesn't get wrong as if we are fearless or gung-ho.....but humans emotion relatively are unpredictable....when a loner wimp is cornered with his life on the threat....he will fight back in any given chances to get out alive. Its either he surpasses the ordeal or he don't at all...thats up to his survival wits

I agree with what you said on the "walk-off" from a fight....that's what i do even if i'm alone or with my family with me while on the road.....couple of scenes happened before this as personal experiences of mine, like some f***faces gets on slowdown and started staring dog at you like they are in this world has the biggest balls and uncontrollable killer instinct-anger attitude, some showing finger or any sort provoking signal or gestures to intimidate you, some morons stops and getting out of the car and then start to seek a unregulated boxing match with you....there are couple of these dramas on our road every single freaking day. To me, my approach is simple: "You bagus, you handal, you kuat and you hebat, you menang.....saya kalah..." but IF the situation in mere nonsense stage and avoidable.....but when situation comes to boiling point like for example accident cases that leads up intolerable differences which spikes up to a different level of argument...then i will have to take all my chances to defend myself if things turns ugly.....but normally in our sensical way, we settle in diplomatic and fair manners with the intervation of the Law....

Last time i used to keep samurai swords (both long and short) in my car for my own protection (and yes, i used it and was nearly going to wave it before in one stupid incident)....my dad found out and immediately took that away from me.....he gave me mouthful of words after that and i just rewind myself and think back what he said.....now....i just make 2 steps behind if one or more person (don't care on him being smaller or bigger than me...) start to create a commotion or "cari pasal".....unless if the person pushes the edge too far away from all diplomatic settlement...

But still, i do keep a cricket bat and a big hard rotan for my own protection if in case of unpredictable incident.....not for the sake of showing bravery or who-has-biggest-balls-measuring issue, but for the sake of my own and my families life to be safe out...

I partly believe in "street justice"....but only on comes right time and right circumstances.......
 

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FVel, Yea I think your are right. I have not handle a firearm before so just take my comment as a noob. Anyway what happened to the lawyer? Was he charged. Can't remember the outcome.
 

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FVel, Yea I think your are right. I have not handle a firearm before so just take my comment as a noob. Anyway what happened to the lawyer? Was he charged. Can't remember the outcome.
He was acquitted. Meaning he was found not guilty in court. So yes, he was charged and had to go through the normal police procedures, etc. But in the end, the judge saw that given his age and the threat that he was faced with including the fact that he had fired a warning shot, was enough grounds for it be classified as self defense. I'm not a lawyer or anything but I roughly know the general details of what happened throughout the whole ordeal. Took an interest in following the events unfolding since his daughter and my elder sister were house mates during Uni days.

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As [Pimpin] suggested, a Maglite will be a more explainable option. Made of high strength aluminium, the longer ones are hefty and durable enough to double as an impact weapon. There is nothing sinister for keeping a Maglite torch in your car...(for breakdowns and illumination etc)
Good to see that we have a weapons expert here on ZTH. :adore:

I hope people actually take the time to read what you have written because I believe that most people who have never been exposed to firearms before really have no idea what to expect. Nor do they realize what a huge responsibility even having a license is. My Dad had a gun license from when I was a kid but he kept his firearm at the balai and I think by now he has surrendered it. Growing up, my Mum was especially strict about guns and my Dad's bodyguards were not allowed to bring them into the house. In fact, until today that is still the case today. Only one of my elder cousins gets away with bringing a gun into any of our homes and I think it's because my Mum does not realize he wears an ankle holster. Plus its a Walther PPK 9mm and with baggy pants, unless you were looking for it the average person would not notice.

I do shoot from time to time although not in Malaysian ranges. If you own land over a certain acreage like an orchard etc, you can apply for a license and we do have .22 rifles at our dusuns. And since I'm from Perlis, its only a matter of crossing into Thailand and you can pay to shoot at the gun clubs there. Usually, I shoot the Sig P226 although they have some interesting guns you can try out but even in a less regulated country like Thailand the gun range is not like in the movies. There are very very very strict rules which you can never ever break. FVel can confirm this. Among them, never point a gun even if its unloaded at anybody at anytime. Ever. If you're not ready to shoot it should always point downwards, finger never on the trigger, etc. Weapons discipline is no joke. If you're new, someone loads the magazine for you, etc. Of course, people never realize how loud a gun shot really is until they hear it go off.

Anyway, FVel definitely knows more and can probably go on for many pages on guns, shooting, firearms act 1967 (?), etc. But the point is that guns are not toys and neither are samurais, katanas, brass knuckles, batons etc. If you carry such weapons you'd have to be willing to use it. How many actually will when push comes to shove? Would you even have time to react? Of all the weapons sold in and around KL, I'd say the brass knuckles are probably the worst to have in your possession. Most of the batons sold are rather flimsy. The retractable ones are hollow and quality isn't great. You're better off using a solid thick rotan - it would definitely hurt more than the baton. The samurais and katanas although dangerous aren't the same samurais you get in Japan. Usually they are meant as ornamental pieces and decorative items. Sure you can get them sharpened but how strong is the actual blade? I'm guessing its not Damascus steel although they may be advertised as such. The brass knuckles will do damage especially if used in a blow to the head, could even be permanent.

I know we all want to be safe and would do anything to protect our loved ones, but don't do anything silly. Try not to carry a weapon when there is no immediate threat to your safety. If you do want something to at least fend off assailants, then as mentioned the Maglite is your safest bet. But safety is also way of life. How you live, where you live, the way you carry yourself, etc. People detect vulnerability and exploit your weaknesses.

Try to be more situationally aware of your surroundings. If you have a nice car, perhaps you don't walk up to it straight away. Look around the carpark for anything suspicious and if something doesn't feel right, walk away. While driving, keep to roads you are familiar with and know to be safe. Even then, you should at least know two or three different ways to get to and from somewhere. Keep an eye on cars around you and if possible note the type of people inside. When stopped at the lights, don't play with your mobile while leaving your windows open. Casually glance at your mirrors every so often to see if there are suspicious motorbikes creeping up behind etc.

There are many ways to keep safe. These are just some that I made a part of my life and there are more. It doesn't always have to begin with weapons, but with your mindset and how you go about securing your family and your property.

Stay safe guys. FVel, thanks for that post it was informative.
 

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dayumm this is a good thread
very very informative on self defence
though i wish we lived in a world where self defence wasnt necessary :banghead:
Yes, it sure has been. How can we live in world where self defense isn't necessary when one of the most advanced and powerful nation on earth has a constitution where every citizen has the right to bear arms?
 

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Haha... I always have one in mine... Secret epic weapon >.^
 

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i got 3-Dcell maglite i have in my car. Primarily for emergency use - breakdowns etc. But, it also can be used for self defense.
However, if im not around which im not most of the time, i gave my wife a pepper spray. Yes, it wont work with full face helmet, but the mist of pepper spray itself can slow you down.

Try to get an original maglite. I prefer 4-Dcell ones, but they are expensive. If you ever go to US, get couple of those..they are lot cheaper there than Malaysia by more than half price. I know this because i bought a couple.

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trying to diversify on this discussion..
how about weapons in the house?
do u keep one? if so, what do u keep?

because yes, maybe its different situation..but still in the cruel world nowadays, u can never be over prepared.
 

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[/COLOR]trying to diversify on this discussion..
how about weapons in the house?
do u keep one? if so, what do u keep?

because yes, maybe its different situation..but still in the cruel world nowadays, u can never be over prepared.
I have a golf stick by my bedside. A cleaver also very accessible. Hehe. In the house anything can be a weapon and you don't need to be kind to intruder as they are trespassing. If they break in it's whack and make sure they don't see the light of day.
 

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i got 3-Dcell maglite i have in my car. Primarily for emergency use - breakdowns etc. But, it also can be used for self defense.
However, if im not around which im not most of the time, i gave my wife a pepper spray. Yes, it wont work with full face helmet, but the mist of pepper spray itself can slow you down.

Try to get an original maglite. I prefer 4-Dcell ones, but they are expensive. If you ever go to US, get couple of those..they are lot cheaper there than Malaysia by more than half price. I know this because i bought a couple.


Dude are you referring to one of those electric prod? Used a lot by china cops... That's illegal right? U used to have one picked up form somewhere but never got to try it coz it malfunctioned.