I have nothing to feel ashamed dude. However you wanna behave, I salute you. I will just act like VR2 and ask/answer car related things.The least you can do is to apologise like a gentlemen!
My beetle is still in bad shape, will show you when its done up...
Only did the brakes, new battery, new tyres, etc already cost me RM2K
Its WA reg plate.
When I started I was worried, after running it for couple of days I was more confident and could say it works. Whats wrong with it? Whats wrong with you?
Now that the post where Stupidcar accused me was deleted you can turn around to ask me silly and stupid questions....Apologise for what? Now the victim will look like the offender! haha...
Yeah you are right...
Damn you IZSO!When I started I was worried, after running it for couple of days I was more confident and could say it works. Whats wrong with it? Whats wrong with you?
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Now that the post where Stupidcar accused me was deleted you can turn around to ask me silly and stupid questions....Apologise for what? Now the victim will look like the offender! haha...
AS though you dont know what was the cause of the whole arguement.
For record purpose, Stupidcar accused me of calling others childish which I didnt.
I reacted by asking him to proof it but he backed off and disappeared from this thread,
Izso came out and warned me as stupidcar couldnt proof what he accused me, he just made false accusation. I complained Izso being biased posts also deleted.
In short, you can now pretend that Im the trouble maker. Just wait, instead of moderating, you are agitating. I hope other mods whom read the pre deleted post come to back my claims otherwise I will be made to look like the culprit here...
You deleted all your shameful posts of saying that if I add another 100ml of Bardahl 1 my GB will definitely breakdown. What nonsense from a person labelled himself as a 'contributor' ?
You also deleted your hooha post of condemning me for being 44 years old and I replied as if you guys are not going to live to 44 years old...
At first before the experiment I was worried, but after I test run it for several days, I already posted that it works. Didnt you read it? Or you have also deleted it already?
My oh my, you are the dirtiest mod I ever come across!
Also the most biased!
Also throw stone and hide hands type of mod!
Please be a bit fair!
Not helping friend to surpress others with your mod power.
Biggest and clearest statement of your biasedness...
Apologise for what?
After all posts were deleted and after all the arguements, pretend to be stupid hey?
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Yeah you are right...
You got nothing to be ashamed of because.............
Your mod friend by the name of IZSO had already deleted all your shameful posts
Well thats what friends are for...
You can come back into this thread and pretend to be innocent and didnt know what happened....
In fact you can turn around and ask me APOLOGISE FOR WHAT?
But no need, your mod friend IZSO already asked me on your behalf...
Lesley, moderators do their job by discussing within their moderators, they don't simply delete posts.When I started I was worried, after running it for couple of days I was more confident and could say it works. Whats wrong with it? Whats wrong with you?
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Now that the post where Stupidcar accused me was deleted you can turn around to ask me silly and stupid questions....Apologise for what? Now the victim will look like the offender! haha...
AS though you dont know what was the cause of the whole arguement.
For record purpose, Stupidcar accused me of calling others childish which I didnt.
I reacted by asking him to proof it but he backed off and disappeared from this thread,
Izso came out and warned me as stupidcar couldnt proof what he accused me, he just made false accusation. I complained Izso being biased posts also deleted.
In short, you can now pretend that Im the trouble maker. Just wait, instead of moderating, you are agitating. I hope other mods whom read the pre deleted post come to back my claims otherwise I will be made to look like the culprit here...
You deleted all your shameful posts of saying that if I add another 100ml of Bardahl 1 my GB will definitely breakdown. What nonsense from a person labelled himself as a 'contributor' ?
You also deleted your hooha post of condemning me for being 44 years old and I replied as if you guys are not going to live to 44 years old...
At first before the experiment I was worried, but after I test run it for several days, I already posted that it works. Didnt you read it? Or you have also deleted it already?
My oh my, you are the dirtiest mod I ever come across!
Also the most biased!
Also throw stone and hide hands type of mod!
Please be a bit fair!
Not helping friend to surpress others with your mod power.
Biggest and clearest statement of your biasedness...
Apologise for what?
After all posts were deleted and after all the arguements, pretend to be stupid hey?
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Yeah you are right...
You got nothing to be ashamed of because.............
Your mod friend by the name of IZSO had already deleted all your shameful posts
Well thats what friends are for...
You can come back into this thread and pretend to be innocent and didnt know what happened....
In fact you can turn around and ask me APOLOGISE FOR WHAT?
But no need, your mod friend IZSO already asked me on your behalf...
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Damn you IZSO!
You are using your mod powers to personally attack me!
Others please help to stop this evil!
Either you openly apologise and close chapter or we go ahead and see what are the limitations of your mod powers can do?
If i were wrong, I would apologise like a gentleman
CVKit,
Erm...I strongly believe that all problems will be solved if you get over it. I agree that someone else initiated something that was off topic and intimidating to you and the whole thread has gone haywire since. Izso, as a mod, gave fair warning to all of you and also remind us not to go rogue. He deleted the replies he deemed not suitable, which is a right thing to do, at least to me.If i were wrong, I would apologise like a gentleman
But if i were victimised and being unfairly surpressed, I would go all out to straighten things out!
Not bow to threats or monkey games this Izso played, in return made stupid remarks and ask silly questions after the relevant threads are deleted.
I can anytime come back on a different username on a different computer to straighten things out with IZSO the worlds most biased moderator!
So try me out!
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CVKit,
Not all problems are solved yet!
This IZSO abuse his power to surpress and threaten me needs attention, so that he wont do this to other members in future.
Also he personally attacked me on various posts but later he deleted.
Im sure many of us here wouldnt want to be personally attacked, then threatened and the mod being biased
to act for his friends.....
Wah! CVKit, you have all the qualities of becoming a good well liked moderator!Erm...I strongly believe that all problems will be solved if you get over it. I agree that someone else initiated something that was off topic and intimidating to you and the whole thread has gone haywire since. Izso, as a mod, gave fair warning to all of you and also remind us not to go rogue. He deleted the replies he deemed not suitable, which is a right thing to do, at least to me.
The two persons have kept quiet after Izso deleted their comments and issued a warning to them. I only see you keep on bringing the old post and issues and flame it up to no extend. This caused Izso to further delete the irrelevant and intimidating posts and give more and stricter warning. In conclusion:
1. He gave warnings to ALL 3 of you.
2. He deleted some comments from ALL 3 of you.
So I see that it is fair and square. Only thing that he seems to be attacking on you is because you didnt stop posting irrelevant things and still flaming the thread. That is why I suggest to just close this thread as you've achieve what you wanted i.e. having good result using Bardahl 1 in auto GB.
Just get over it, and dont bring issues from other thread into another thread unless it is relevant. Do not get me wrong as this statement I made isnt personally pin pointed at you but to others as well and also to myself.
Happy foruming.
That is the point Lesley..he deleted his own comments towards you if he deems inappropriate. Means he isnt biased to himself. Instead of requesting others to apologize, why not just get over it? Dont tell me that you feel that you've did nothing wrong here...
You havent seen the personal attacks by Izso,
Thanks so much TR for the detailed research, i being not highly educated really appreciate the simple form of explanation on B1 and its purposes.Here's my view on the topic. Engine oil viscosity and ATF is different be at at ambient temperature or heated.
I went around digging about this B1 stuff you put into your ATF and it turns out to be some sort of oil supplement. Yes? No?
Then I found out that the main part in this B1 is zinc based anti wear additives ZDDP.
http://www.asiaoil.co.th/bardahl/spec/SPEC_B-1.pdf
Then I Google and found the MSDS for this B1
http://asiaoil.co.th/bardahl/msds/MSDS9100 B-1 OIL SUPPLEMENT.pdf
I found this on their website about B1 B-1 Oil Supplement
• Acts as an extreme pressure additive for gear oils and greases.
• Acts as a lubricant inhibitor.
• Serves as polar surface activating and wetting agent for lubricant to metal.
• Improves film strength, oiliness, boundary lubrication, wear and lapping characteristics.
• Improves anti-seize, anti-scoring, anti-gelling and anti-weld characteristics.
• Serves as a rust-proofing agent.
• Serves as a pour-point depressant.
From the data above it's clearly stated to reduce wear a friction modifier so if you introduce a large amount into your AT box, well you are screwed. Not to forget that B1 has a ingredient called LNA. Take a look at the MSDS (Note the Lead section). Even with small amount although won't affect your AT but the lubricating agent will still cling to your metal parts even after you flush them.
About Lead Naphthenate Additive (Read the whole damn thing)
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA399001
Pick the conclusion from the PDF file for those who are lazy to read.
The results of our experiments indicate that lead naphthenate does disappear from oil in a relatively
short time on the time scale of a ball bearing spacecraft application. The disappearance is
characterized by a change in the FTTR spectrum of the lead naphthenate, indicating chemical reaction
of the lead naphthenate in the oil. XPS spectra indicate that reaction of the lead naphthenate occurs at
relatively short interaction times (two weeks in our testing) to form elemental lead via reaction of the
lead naphthenate with metal exposed through the wear process. The change occurs under dynamic
bearing operating conditions and not under static conditions. Ball bearing test data indicate that,
despite the early loss of additive from the oil, the lead-containing surface coatings provide continued
lubrication for the ball bearing.
The major role of ATF on 70% to 90% is for cooling purposes and 30% for lubricating only. You need to understand that most AT box failure is due to overheating and not lack of lubrication
Accord V6 box
See how the clutches inside the AT box is wet. Sign of ATF
On a personal side note, Lesley here's not boy scout camp. You can't have everyone pleases you so..yeah, that's real life. Please don't label me as biased now. If you were in an overseas car forum and your reply was like what you did. Your thread would have be gone in less than 60 seconds. Not to say the Mods are are god like or sentimental but at least we still keep the thread open for you and not close it not even passing the 1st page. Cheers Lesley.
After all these explanation....Here's my view on the topic. Engine oil viscosity and ATF is different be at at ambient temperature or heated.
I went around digging about this B1 stuff you put into your ATF and it turns out to be some sort of oil supplement. Yes? No?
Then I found out that the main part in this B1 is zinc based anti wear additives ZDDP.
http://www.asiaoil.co.th/bardahl/spec/SPEC_B-1.pdf
Then I Google and found the MSDS for this B1
http://asiaoil.co.th/bardahl/msds/MSDS9100 B-1 OIL SUPPLEMENT.pdf
I found this on their website about B1 B-1 Oil Supplement
• Acts as an extreme pressure additive for gear oils and greases.
• Acts as a lubricant inhibitor.
• Serves as polar surface activating and wetting agent for lubricant to metal.
• Improves film strength, oiliness, boundary lubrication, wear and lapping characteristics.
• Improves anti-seize, anti-scoring, anti-gelling and anti-weld characteristics.
• Serves as a rust-proofing agent.
• Serves as a pour-point depressant.
From the data above it's clearly stated to reduce wear a friction modifier so if you introduce a large amount into your AT box, well you are screwed. Not to forget that B1 has a ingredient called LNA. Take a look at the MSDS (Note the Lead section). Even with small amount although won't affect your AT but the lubricating agent will still cling to your metal parts even after you flush them.
About Lead Naphthenate Additive (Read the whole damn thing)
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA399001
Pick the conclusion from the PDF file for those who are lazy to read.
The results of our experiments indicate that lead naphthenate does disappear from oil in a relatively
short time on the time scale of a ball bearing spacecraft application. The disappearance is
characterized by a change in the FTTR spectrum of the lead naphthenate, indicating chemical reaction
of the lead naphthenate in the oil. XPS spectra indicate that reaction of the lead naphthenate occurs at
relatively short interaction times (two weeks in our testing) to form elemental lead via reaction of the
lead naphthenate with metal exposed through the wear process. The change occurs under dynamic
bearing operating conditions and not under static conditions. Ball bearing test data indicate that,
despite the early loss of additive from the oil, the lead-containing surface coatings provide continued
lubrication for the ball bearing.
The major role of ATF on 70% to 90% is for cooling purposes and 30% for lubricating only. You need to understand that most AT box failure is due to overheating and not lack of lubrication
Accord V6 box
See how the clutches inside the AT box is wet. Sign of ATF
On a personal side note, Lesley here's not boy scout camp. You can't have everyone pleases you so..yeah, that's real life. Please don't label me as biased now. If you were in an overseas car forum and your reply was like what you did. Your thread would have be gone in less than 60 seconds. Not to say the Mods are are god like or sentimental but at least we still keep the thread open for you and not close it not even passing the 1st page. Cheers Lesley.
He will still use....
LA : Nice. I find it highly amusing you think I would delete my own comments which you deem as 'personal attacks'. Had you bothered to go back, you'd realise I deleted your comments and Stupidcars. All of mine are still there.
Dear all respected moderators,
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