Which is why he got a lot of stick despite ending our wait for silverware. He spent a lot but on many players. We've not splurged on 20 million pound disappointments. Anyway the comparison you drew is with Wenger who to my recollection has not splurged on any failures. The topic was about why Wenger doesn't get any stick for making bad signings when AF does right?si|verfish said:
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Which is why he got a lot of stick despite ending our wait for silverware. He spent a lot but on many players. We've not splurged on 20 million pound disappointments. Anyway the comparison you drew is with Wenger who to my recollection has not splurged on any failures. The topic was about why Wenger doesn't get any stick for making bad signings when AF does right?si|verfish said:
I was trying to look for the list of players bought by Wenger that didn't quite work so well. The sum is not insignificant and he did splurge on some players IIRC.
The one true big flop that you guys keep pointing out is Veron. The rest weren't. So the comparisons with Wenger are valid, apart from Veron.
Veron was an excellent player with huge talent. Nobody could have guessed that he couldn't perform in the EPL, which was a case of the player not making a good transition to the English game and the team. It wasn't so much buying a shit player but a case of bad luck.
Fergie and Wenger both bought some fantastic bargains over the years. Both uncovered great talents. The only sore thumb poking out is actually Veron and that was explained above.
In reality, Fergie really didn't do too badly compared to Wenger. Which is why I'm waranting that he doesn't deserve getting shafted so much more. The reality is, United gets disected under the microscope more often and there are more ABUs that choose to make everything look much worse that it actually is.
The one true big flop that you guys keep pointing out is Veron. The rest weren't. So the comparisons with Wenger are valid, apart from Veron.
Veron was an excellent player with huge talent. Nobody could have guessed that he couldn't perform in the EPL, which was a case of the player not making a good transition to the English game and the team. It wasn't so much buying a shit player but a case of bad luck.
Fergie and Wenger both bought some fantastic bargains over the years. Both uncovered great talents. The only sore thumb poking out is actually Veron and that was explained above.
In reality, Fergie really didn't do too badly compared to Wenger. Which is why I'm waranting that he doesn't deserve getting shafted so much more. The reality is, United gets disected under the microscope more often and there are more ABUs that choose to make everything look much worse that it actually is.
MU are a famous club, criticism can't be avoided. That's why nobody here complained when Harry Redknapp signed some bullshits at Portsmouth.
Btw, MU have a huge number of supporters, much more than Arsenal and Liverpool have. And, when they want to start criticising about Wenger's poor signings, they just don't know who their names are, coz afterall, they watch only MU games. Therefore some people who didn't have much knowledge in EPL just didn't understand that every manager signs unsuitable players all the time.
Btw, MU have a huge number of supporters, much more than Arsenal and Liverpool have. And, when they want to start criticising about Wenger's poor signings, they just don't know who their names are, coz afterall, they watch only MU games. Therefore some people who didn't have much knowledge in EPL just didn't understand that every manager signs unsuitable players all the time.
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United is still the club that gets the most negative attention from the media and subsequently the public. Every little thing gets blown out of proportion.
Chelski will probably take over this infamous mantle sooner rather than later.
Chelski will probably take over this infamous mantle sooner rather than later.
Screw the media lar. Wenger doesn't even give a shit when people start screwing us that no English players are playing for us, and the English players whom he's interested were minimal. Some jokers from England said that FA should do something about it, coz they fear that England won't improve if no English players were given much chance, and then it's too bad for England in major tournaments.
See Upson, Jeffers, and maybe Pennant, they were just nowhere near the quality of international player, they were given chances at other clubs, but have not proved themselves yet.
See Upson, Jeffers, and maybe Pennant, they were just nowhere near the quality of international player, they were given chances at other clubs, but have not proved themselves yet.
Screw the media? I wish.
Thing is it affects the perception of everyone. Even the clubs very own fans.
Thing is it affects the perception of everyone. Even the clubs very own fans.
Haha. When the EPL hasn't started, we tend to discuss other things that are just not important. Can't wait for it, and in fact I start to miss World Cup already.
I always get to hear all sorts of negative comments on their own club, especially when the particular club were in some sort of crisis and whatever. But, when it's Sunday, they talk all sorts of good things, which were completely opposite from what they had in mind previously. I can't help but to feel pity for them, it's just too hilarious to bother about. I can't help but to think I am quite good at my football knowledge too, aaahaha. Don't get offended, not referring to anyone here.
I always get to hear all sorts of negative comments on their own club, especially when the particular club were in some sort of crisis and whatever. But, when it's Sunday, they talk all sorts of good things, which were completely opposite from what they had in mind previously. I can't help but to feel pity for them, it's just too hilarious to bother about. I can't help but to think I am quite good at my football knowledge too, aaahaha. Don't get offended, not referring to anyone here.
hey...we must take note that veron's failure did not really cost 28.7mil
it was cushioned by the 15mil given by chelsea.
so it was not that bad afterall.
btw...today's paper say Ribery is heading to london
from man u's point of view...
let's hope not...haha
it was cushioned by the 15mil given by chelsea.
so it was not that bad afterall.
btw...today's paper say Ribery is heading to london
from man u's point of view...
let's hope not...haha
Very unlikely he'll go to Arsenal. You actually trust the stuff from English newspapers? I'm surprised The Star put it on the backpage considering these are just rumours. I'd only start to believe if arsenal.com reports it.
I only watched the oxford friendly on sportscenter. 3 wonderful goals from solksjaer and ronaldo. And i read on manutd.com that ronaldo was given a standing ovation from the man utd fans. Good to hear that. And he can even smile when coming on to the pitch for the 2nd half.
I hope this season is gonna be the best for him so far. Let his feet do the talking
I hope this season is gonna be the best for him so far. Let his feet do the talking
Yup the 2 goals he scored were very unlike the Ronaldo we are used to. Ronaldo used to snatch at opportunities, rushing into things and overdoing it. Those 2 goals against Oxford were composure personified. Ole would have been proud of those goals.
I too hope that this season will be the one where Ronaldo finally grows up into the player he should be.
I too hope that this season will be the one where Ronaldo finally grows up into the player he should be.
it seemed that the harsh criticism from the england fans and also the support from Ferguson has made him grew. He's a special talent that any team would love to have him, nowadays.... :) Real Madrid lost out on a special player though, hehehehehe
United and Old Trafford is still the hot ticket, despite our recent barren run without major honours.
Well no matter what MU and SAF will always be in the front and backpage when there is anything happening.si|verfish said:
I mean like Inter Milan (quite big team) signing Ibrahimovic (quite a big player) but it suddenly happen no news about it, no rumours, no nothing. Nobody cares about other teams. The limelight is always on MU and RM, more recently Chelsea.
Our season tickets sales also not bad so all the media doom and gloom is definately not true. Like CNN reporting on Malaysia their bias way of presenting make it seems like we're like Indonesia or Middle Eastern country. While Thailand is always portrayed as the Switzerland of the east and Singpore the USA of the east.
If I am some sort of Chief Executive in some XXX publisher, I would wanna create all sorts of banana news about MU too, coz as I have mentioned before, MU have such a huge number of fans and they would wanna buy my newspaper if I create some interesting stuff, right? So, it's always been like that lor.
MU always seem to be one step ahead of the competition.
They may not do well in the competitions right now but alot of off-field activities like youth programme, etc.
They may not do well in the competitions right now but alot of off-field activities like youth programme, etc.
errr how exactly are you one step ahead of the competition at the moment? Chelsea seem to be a huge step ahead in terms of the league anyway. In terms of youth development you have to bear in mind that many of your talent come from abroad. Not in a long time have you produced local talents in the mould of Becks, Scholes, Neville's, Giggs, etc. The next batch containing the likes of Greening, Wallwork, Chadwick, Curtis, etc were all shipped out.
For one, he said "They may not do well in the competitions right now..."; which I interprete as in not ahead of the competition, in competitions.
Two; he actually has a valid point. Our youth academy might not have churned out the likes of the Class of 92 again (at least not yet), but it has been one of the best if not the best youth program in the land, for quite some time. You can't expect to strike gold all the time. A lot of promising youngsters have come through the ranks at United, although none (since that famous batch) have become top class players. This current batch has potential. And the youth team have won many honours through the years. In terms of marketing; the Manchester United brand is still as strong as ever, even though success on the pitch have not been achieved recently.
Two; he actually has a valid point. Our youth academy might not have churned out the likes of the Class of 92 again (at least not yet), but it has been one of the best if not the best youth program in the land, for quite some time. You can't expect to strike gold all the time. A lot of promising youngsters have come through the ranks at United, although none (since that famous batch) have become top class players. This current batch has potential. And the youth team have won many honours through the years. In terms of marketing; the Manchester United brand is still as strong as ever, even though success on the pitch have not been achieved recently.
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