Kancil 850 Turbo..

[D7zul]

Hello again..

I just wanna inform u guyz that my co-worker currently playing Plug n play with his Kancil 850..

the specs are :

- L2 head, turbine, intercooler, computer box
- stock/standard piston, con rod, crankshaft, bottom..


i've told him about the engine internal is not too strong.. but he still wanna go on with it

Any advice u guyz wanna give him?

 

[dr_snape_79]

Unless he didn't put kaw-kaw stress to the engine, still ok la.

 

[D7zul]

hahaha.. i've seen him in action..

sure kaw-kaw tekan..

anywayz, how much boost u guyz think it's save for this 'hybrid'?

0.5 bar? i think..

 

[dr_snape_79]

Ya me too. As long as not exceed 1.0 bar is still ok. If tekan kaw-kaw, 0.5 bar also can pecah.

 

[DanzEterna]

my bro in law also did the same thing, dunno car out from workshop edi or not?
need sifu papagoines to elaborate more on this...

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can turbo use n/a pistons (high compression)?

 

[papagoines]

my bro in law also did the same thing, dunno car out from workshop edi or not?
need sifu papagoines to elaborate more on this...

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can turbo use n/a pistons (high compression)?

haiya bro... no sifu la...

but from my fren, its ok as long as boosting below 0.5bar... but don't revv more than 6krpm.... get a oil squirters for the pistons as well

 

[xtremeleo]

my bro in law also did the same thing, dunno car out from workshop edi or not?
need sifu papagoines to elaborate more on this...

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can turbo use n/a pistons (high compression)?

yes, u definitely can, iam using dis setup in d charade iam working on now. i call it a no-drama setup, lol. just boost and go jer

 

[Veloc]

I think it is fine... General rule of thumb is keep 0.4 bar and below. 0.5 is risky already. For a bit more detail concerning flow, hit up bro xtremeleo.
Also, don't forget metal head gasket. Thicker ones, >1.2mm better.

Update us please!!!

 

[xtremeleo]

haiya bro... no sifu la...

but from my fren, its ok as long as boosting below 0.5bar... but don't revv more than 6krpm.... get a oil squirters for the pistons as well

oil squirters rnt necessary, good oil is

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I think it is fine... General rule of thumb is keep 0.4 bar and below. 0.5 is risky already. For a bit more detail concerning flow, hit up bro xtremeleo.
Also, don't forget metal head gasket. Thicker ones, >1.2mm better.

Update us please!!!

id get a 1.8mm, or better yet a 2mm

 

[Veloc]

Bro... Yes la.. but if the gasket too thick, wouldn't the low end torque suffer a bit? I mean before the boost kick in...

 

[xtremeleo]

the high compression pistons will take care when boost is off, plus there is a way to tune for response for this kinda setup :)

 

[DanzEterna]

ok, thanks all, will inform my bro in law when the car out from workshop...
but he is in JB will only come back to KL end of this mth...

 

[Veloc]

the high compression pistons will take care when boost is off, plus there is a way to tune for response for this kinda setup :)

So for low boost, the combination should be something like:

high comp pistons + thicker gasket

or

lower comp piston + not so thick gasket

is it?

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

if tight budget..stock 850cc piston+thick gasket...

and pray for the conrod to withstand the pressure....boost not to exceed 0.6bar...if boost spiked during heavy acceleration..pray hard....

 

[papagoines]

oil squirters rnt necessary, good oil is

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id get a 1.8mm, or better yet a 2mm

thanks for the heads up bro xtremeleo (see DanzEterna, me no sifu la) .... but then oil squirter + a good oil is better rite?

...I'm having a chat before with lots of ol timer of kei-car.... some them race them on the track for the heck of it... they say, 660cc stroke is ideal.. any longer it'll make the top end suffer... even in japan, they max out at 719cc stroke...

...izzit true?

 

[xtremeleo]

oil squirters+good oil is definitely better sir

about the stroke thing, i have a feeling u know better. the thing about me is, id go for a setup dat can provide most torque, preferably dat flats high, lol. my setup is always to create an all rounder setup, high end hp isnt dat fun to drive compared to a high torque machine imo

 

[papagoines]

yup.. that the thing when conversing with a track otai haha

but, if you read some malaysian kei-car forum, they tend to use 850cc/1000cc block to get high hp rating.... at first lotsa drag otais do dis, but somehow all started to follow trend in their street machine... all for the sake of so call respect among peers... but in the end falls back to 660cc block..

for example, a fren of mine who is a novice dragster just use 660cc block with bigger turbo + an adj fuel regulator manage to beat some of those big blocks @ sdb last year...just that he have to revv kaw2 (something that a 660cc block are famed for...), which he admit is not very good for the street

bro d7zul, you can hooked up with bro flamefox, a jaded zth forumer who is famous for 850 turbo street kancil... here he might be dormant but you can see his nick active in a few malaysian kei-car specific forum

oil squirters+good oil is definitely better sir

about the stroke thing, i have a feeling u know better. the thing about me is, id go for a setup dat can provide most torque, preferably dat flats high, lol. my setup is always to create an all rounder setup, high end hp isnt dat fun to drive compared to a high torque machine imo

 

[xtremeleo]

short blocks are making high hp from the revv, dats y u need to revv it sky high, not my cuppa tea. i prefer to get a longer block, and revv it moderately. i lazy to change gear ler

 

[papagoines]

short blocks are making high hp from the revv, dats y u need to revv it sky high, not my cuppa tea. i prefer to get a longer block, and revv it moderately. i lazy to change gear ler

same as me... once i've drove a wira diesel that have bolt-on turbo kit... luv it to bits.... felt like gear ratio aren't necessary....

but then, the reason i've posted about short-block vs long-block because i don't want bro d7zul fren to lose objective and regret later...

lots of kancil turbo owner who converted to long-block just because of gila kuasa... all wanted max hp, revv it kaw2 until con-rod putus, block bocor etc....

IMHO, if bro d7zul fren wants max hp aka dyno/drag queen... better go for short block with big turbo... if want to have mountainous and flat torque curve as bro xtremeleo sez, be moderate with the boost and revv

 

[D7zul]

thanx guyz..

i'll print this thread & give it to him .. hohoho..

thanx again