GTi 05'

[kkchai]

Hi guys & gals at ZTH,

Would like to get some opinion from everyone here on the Satria GTi 05' regard to its maintenance, pros & cons, upgrade feature and anything you people can advise before i proceed.

Thinking of use it as base to learn more on tune-ing.

Is it true the ECU can't be piggyback?

Hope can help, thanks

 

[DanzEterna]

i tot gti 05 will be the R3 version?
its a good & reliable car bro. had a 2000 mmc ecu sgti before, kinda miss it bro...
thinking of buying another 1 back.....

the siemens 1, 03 & above can use piggyback, but the 2000 model with MMC ecu could.

 

[LuKa]

if you want to use stock and only cosmetic mods can.. but if u want to tweak,upgrades,compete with friends n others better buy the mmc vertion..

 

[kkchai]

OkOk then I try hunt for version MMC (before 03')?

It is true the maintenance cost will be higher than normal?

 

[LuKa]

what do you mean maintenance cost higher than normal??

if you referring maintenance gti siemen n mmc.. its basicly the same.. only computer box electronic devices related is deferent..

buying used gtis usually u'll will be spending a bit here n there to restore it to peak performance.. depending on the previous owner will determine whether the gti is in good form or not.. but rarely u will find a good buy that u dont need to repair for 6-12months period..
if you buy from used car u will get it with touchup paint/newly painted+new timing belt... but usually new owners will be spending on parts like engine Mounts,suspensions n some minor failing electronic sensor/devices..

prices for parts you can choose..there are cheap low grades parts,imitations, used,chop shop,genuine oem, aftermarket performance parts..

 

[DanzEterna]

better source a used gti from an end user.

 

[suhaimi_rahman]

bro danzeterna ..

i currently drive gti 03 model with siemens vdo.
i had a few gti's member who with an MMC edition and vdo edition. different with those 2 things is horse power and top end.

MMC - top speed ( standard ) about 240 kmh
vdo - top speed ( standard ) about 220 kmh

major service cost 5k mileage / timing belt /bearing - average. prices for parts you can choose..there are cheap low grades parts,imitations, used,chop shop,genuine oem, aftermarket performance parts..


electrical spare part -
hehehehe ..sorry to say that an MMC quite expensive than Vdo..like plug coil for MMC cost about RM 300 and above (same coil like Perdana V6 )
VDO plug coil cost rm160 nett. plug cable also different..an MMC model got a HUGE choise for you to choose, like NGK power cable :top:
not like VDO model , just a 'little' choices currently i using an R3 plug cable.niceeeeeeee ..

1 thing not good about VDo just .. the Throtle body quite sensitive.very sensitive. u have to / must to put oil catch tank to make sure those T/B will live longer.and clean it every 5k mileage.


mmmmmmm...what else....errrrrr ....
u should join satria forum to get know more about. pm me...

 

[EGNINE]

bro danzeterna ..

i currently drive gti 03 model with siemens vdo.
i had a few gti's member who with an MMC edition and vdo edition. different with those 2 things is horse power and top end.

MMC - top speed ( standard ) about 240 kmh
vdo - top speed ( standard ) about 220 kmh

major service cost 5k mileage / timing belt /bearing - average. prices for parts you can choose..there are cheap low grades parts,imitations, used,chop shop,genuine oem, aftermarket performance parts..


electrical spare part -
hehehehe ..sorry to say that an MMC quite expensive than Vdo..like plug coil for MMC cost about RM 300 and above (same coil like Perdana V6 )
VDO plug coil cost rm160 nett. plug cable also different..an MMC model got a HUGE choise for you to choose, like NGK power cable :top:
not like VDO model , just a 'little' choices currently i using an R3 plug cable.niceeeeeeee ..

1 thing not good about VDo just .. the Throtle body quite sensitive.very sensitive. u have to / must to put oil catch tank to make sure those T/B will live longer.and clean it every 5k mileage.


mmmmmmm...what else....errrrrr ....
u should join satria forum to get know more about. pm me...

mmc 240kmh..damn fast...my mmc only 180kmh..after some mod then only can upto 220kmh

 

[DanzEterna]

mine was sgti 2000 model, top speed 220kmh, dont dare to go further,
but mmc model dont have speed or rev cut. able to rev till red line.

not sure bout the parts, but how often your plug coils fails on u?...

 

[EGNINE]

mine was sgti 2000 model, top speed 220kmh, dont dare to go further,
but mmc model dont have speed or rev cut. able to rev till red line.

not sure bout the parts, but how often your plug coils fails on u?...

owh 2000 model dun have rev cut eh? mine 2001 have cut @ 7.5k

 

[DanzEterna]

wait...i think got rev cut...7.5k rpm as EGNINE mentioned...., siemens bout 6.5-7k rpm...
something like that, pls correct me if im wrong....

 

[suhaimi_rahman]

wait...i think got rev cut...7.5k rpm as EGNINE mentioned...., siemens bout 6.5-7k rpm...
something like that, pls correct me if im wrong....

mine..rev cut at 7.5rpm ...MMC got no rev cut ..:stupid:

lasy week i change lubricant from castrol magnatec to MAXOIL semi sen. .... fuhhhhhhh,,,trust me dude..my sate sooo smoothhh criminal... i will not change to other else.

my top speed 200kmh( standard 16" rim ) ..same like u mr danzeterna..dont dare to go futher..ada goyang2 skit.maybe complete bar from ultra racing will help to get more stable.

egnine ...
ur MMc need to top overhaul bro..change & port n polish..
it's almost 10 years now since 1st edition gti produce.same age with standard 5 kids this year..:slug:
find gud tuner..change standard cam pulley to adjstable,1 unit only...just wasting money if change both,gud tuner just tuning 1 side...change light weight crank pulley ( at least 500g ) compare to standard crank pulley (1kg++) after that...u will get your top end back thats enuff for n/a 4g93..

if want more fast .. just put on evo3 laaaa..:proud:

 

[DanzEterna]

now i also pening, i cant remember my sgti mmc got speed cut anot, cos i sold it in year 2007.....but if not mistaken i think got.....i was also using ce28 taiwan rims, when i had an accident, all the batang & hub was attached, only the rim ring & tires came out......haha...

claim insurance & sold it. for me, i think i add on my insurance policy 1st....then install roll cage, by then only able to go beyond 200km/h.

if u want faster, evo3 + NOS...after that ended up like the white satria evo 3 in kelantan ......

 

[EGNINE]

mine..rev cut at 7.5rpm ...MMC got no rev cut ..:stupid:

lasy week i change lubricant from castrol magnatec to MAXOIL semi sen. .... fuhhhhhhh,,,trust me dude..my sate sooo smoothhh criminal... i will not change to other else.

my top speed 200kmh( standard 16" rim ) ..same like u mr danzeterna..dont dare to go futher..ada goyang2 skit.maybe complete bar from ultra racing will help to get more stable.

egnine ...
ur MMc need to top overhaul bro..change & port n polish..
it's almost 10 years now since 1st edition gti produce.same age with standard 5 kids this year..:slug:
find gud tuner..change standard cam pulley to adjstable,1 unit only...just wasting money if change both,gud tuner just tuning 1 side...change light weight crank pulley ( at least 500g ) compare to standard crank pulley (1kg++) after that...u will get your top end back thats enuff for n/a 4g93..

if want more fast .. just put on evo3 laaaa..:proud:

i've done all the above..one thing i notice is when u drive alone or with 1 co pilot it is good, response n top ok.. but when ur have 4 person in ur car then u will feel that all the light item u install make u lost some tork, maybe due to lost of inertia...maybe placebo effect hehehe...or my engine need to rebuild kot hehe

 

[kumar22mostwanted]

vote for MMC ecu
from my experience with these ecus is there is NO revcut but there IS speedcut
and the ecu settings are easily altered using a piggyback or rechip for optimal perfomance

 

[LuKa]

speed cut dont have.. but rev cut for stock oem models cuts at 7500rpm.. other wise injectors cant take it,fuel starvation will occur..

the siemens vdo models will achieve peak power bout 5-6.5k rpm.. after dat there no point of pushing the rev higher.. thats y the mmc can go further up the rpm range n speed.. with a piggy back and a few add ons can achieve more....

 

[jason4883]

mmc 240kmh..damn fast...my mmc only 180kmh..after some mod then only can upto 220kmh

Bro, mine also same... About 180km/h only...I dare not tekan d cause got a bit shake d...due to ultra-racing bar-less.

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mine..rev cut at 7.5rpm ...MMC got no rev cut ..:stupid:

lasy week i change lubricant from castrol magnatec to MAXOIL semi sen. .... fuhhhhhhh,,,trust me dude..my sate sooo smoothhh criminal... i will not change to other else.

my top speed 200kmh( standard 16" rim ) ..same like u mr danzeterna..dont dare to go futher..ada goyang2 skit.maybe complete bar from ultra racing will help to get more stable.

egnine ...
ur MMc need to top overhaul bro..change & port n polish..
it's almost 10 years now since 1st edition gti produce.same age with standard 5 kids this year..:slug:
find gud tuner..change standard cam pulley to adjstable,1 unit only...just wasting money if change both,gud tuner just tuning 1 side...change light weight crank pulley ( at least 500g ) compare to standard crank pulley (1kg++) after that...u will get your top end back thats enuff for n/a 4g93..

if want more fast .. just put on evo3 laaaa..:proud:

Bro Suhaimi, that's what I thought of also... It's time for my 4g93 to get some shower... Top overhaul + port & polish. But afraid I dont have time for that as I don't have spare car.

Adjustable cam pulley get 1 enough? I thought of getting 1 pair (Works Engineering of course)...

 

[EGNINE]

Bro, mine also same... About 180km/h only...I dare not tekan d cause got a bit shake d...due to ultra-racing bar-less.

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Bro Suhaimi, that's what I thought of also... It's time for my 4g93 to get some shower... Top overhaul + port & polish. But afraid I dont have time for that as I don't have spare car.

Adjustable cam pulley get 1 enough? I thought of getting 1 pair (Works Engineering of course)...

if u dont have spare car just do PNP at powerzone..pay ur deposit and they will do PNP at their spare head and when done just bring ur car to swap the head... for me better get pair of ACP if DOHC

 

[LuKa]

yes.. power zone is the faster way to do.. its like just exchange heads + top up for pnp n other replacement parts n workmanship

 

[kumar22mostwanted]

yes.. power zone is the faster way to do.. its like just exchange heads + top up for pnp n other replacement parts n workmanship

WOW i didnt know this souds very convenient for us consumers :top:
but the main thing remain is their PNP work good ???:hmmmm::hmmmm:

 

[EGNINE]

WOW i didnt know this souds very convenient for us consumers :top:
but the main thing remain is their PNP work good ???:hmmmm::hmmmm:

for me their PNP worth the money u spent.. bit pricey, last time 16valve cost 1.6k.....pnp, 3 angle cut, valve machined etc.....current price i dunno...

 

[kumar22mostwanted]

for me their PNP worth the money u spent.. bit pricey, last time 16valve cost 1.6k.....pnp, 3 angle cut, valve machined etc.....current price i dunno...

wah 1.6k i dont think worth it lah bro no matter how the good the job is coz PNP is still PNP
can get a set of used HKS cams already heheh
u mentioned machining the valve and etc
so could u remember what was the cost of doing the PNP alone???

 

[EGNINE]

wah 1.6k i dont think worth it lah bro no matter how the good the job is coz PNP is still PNP
can get a set of used HKS cams already heheh
u mentioned machining the valve and etc
so could u remember what was the cost of doing the PNP alone???

i think they do it in package..if u wanna cheap pnp rm600 also got

 

[jason4883]

Looks like I need to budget wisely d... Thanks for the info all the SIFUs here...

 

[suhaimi_rahman]

Bro, mine also same... About 180km/h only...I dare not tekan d cause got a bit shake d...due to ultra-racing bar-less.

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Bro Suhaimi, that's what I thought of also... It's time for my 4g93 to get some shower... Top overhaul + port & polish. But afraid I dont have time for that as I don't have spare car.

Adjustable cam pulley get 1 enough? I thought of getting 1 pair (Works Engineering of course)...

geting 1 pair good also..depents to the tuner how to get a gud seting..from what the otai tune advise me

i planning to make top overhaul when my mileage due later.it's 7 years already..dont know how head gasket look like.:hmmmm:
currently .. i compile a few thing 1 by 1 ..depents on montly budget..hehehe..like timing belt,adjstble campulley and looking for light weight crank pulley ..etc necessary . perhaps might be complete before mileage due. then..change all those things at the same time. the tuner also happy if u make 1 shot like that.easy for them to install.

please dont push your tuner to get better result..let them 'cook' your engine without any force.