Can B16A mod up to 200hp on wheel?

[^pomen_GTR^]

nahhhh..forget those hassle...


just order here>> http://www.junauto.co.jp/products/complete-engine/b16-b18/price-lineup.html?en


250hp on flywheel..minos 30%drivetrain loss still around 200hp on wheel...

 

[xtremeleo]

b16 na setup? on a dyno dynamics? nope..

 

[pwhyze]

how about b18c? Anyway to get about 230~250bhp?

 

[aranny2001]

sorry ah, wanna tumpang to aska low boost BOT can make the D 16 engine slight power increase but save fuel? just like those soft turbo?

 

[Mr.JY]

Pwhyze, it's achievable. It all comes down to how much money you willing to spend. Someone advice me back then to go 'SNF' and have a look at all the VTEC machines to get an idea. It is really an eye opener. Try if you have the chance.

 

[pwhyze]

SNF????

 

[Mr.JY]

SNF????

Saturday Night Fever.

Achieving 250whp will require lots of money and time. I'm sure the people here will be able to help you. Damn! Mine isn't even 200whp! LOL!

 

[ddv_nk12]

Pwhyze, it's achievable. It all comes down to how much money you willing to spend. Someone advice me back then to go 'SNF' and have a look at all the VTEC machines to get an idea. It is really an eye opener. Try if you have the chance.

I second to that. That's why this Sat I'm going for SNF. I know i'm gonna get beaten up but just for the fun of it, the experience, new friends and info on how to mod ur car.

just get a set of Jun/Toda higher specs cam & valve spring, adj cam pulley, Hondata ECU, Jun 2.0L stroker kits for B16A(Optional), Jun/Toda/Wiseco Hi-Comp piston with rod set, Titanium valves & retainer set, Sard/HKS/Skunk2 fuel rail, FSE/Sard/AEM/Vortech/Aeromotive/Fuel Lab adj FPR, RC/Sard HF injectors, Jun/Skunk2/Eldeblock/PerfomerX big cap intake manifold(Or quad thro setup up), Super90/Skunk2/Spoon/J's Racing big thro, Mugen/Jun/Toda/Feel's/5Zigen/SMSP Ex Manifold, Spoon/Fujitsubo/5Zigen/HKS/Apex'i/Buddyclub/J's Racing/Amuse straight flow Ex System, Sard/Walbro/Aeromotive/Bosch big cap fuel pump, ATS/Exedy/ORC/OS Giken/Carbonetic racing clutch & the main & last thing is fully balancing with blue print & PnP header.

There r the 200whp & above on the list...

This list of mods is awesome and i have to say that's one helluva list man!! Its every Honda owner's dream mod list. I wish I could do that. 30K could be more for just performance mods. Its way to high.

This got me thinking, won't we be able to get that much power (maybe slightly lesser) by opting for other parts. Like instead of using Wiseco pistons which will cost about RM2k, we use high comp tx3 or cf4's f20b piston which cost about RM500-RM700. U know when we reduce the costs a little here and there, is it still possible? If yes, anyone care to share how?

 

[pwhyze]

Hehe..yeah, the question is though, is it reliable power? Or a motor waiting to blow up? Any of you guys know any thread build thread with that kind of power, but comes with reliability as well? I'm just wondering what kind of reliable power that the B18cr can handle without sacrificing usability....

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

talking about 200whp B16..

suddenly i remember that most works engine in rally car for super 1600 (and J-WRC) all churns out 210whp at least.....no vvt-i/variable cam phase allowed...


powerband???range only at the peak 7k,8k,9k rpm....

and thats the true tuning sticking to 1600cc regulation... (no bore-up/stroking up that definately increase engine displacement)

 

[TOMEI-R]

Most of the MSS Super Sixteen built eks and egs are built to be 200 horses and above. Just look at their lap times and compare with super saloon cars lap timing. Some front running ones can't easily catch up with the super saloon dc5s/ ep3s. The fastest B18c Dc2r of Team Type R could set a fastest lap of 2'27s on full track of SIC.
So it only boils down to how many $$$ u are willing to invest on the engine. The B series engine had proven itself on and off track. Mind u parts for the b series engine is still not cheap after all these years.

 

[Mr.JY]

To add on, still have the reliability issue to consider. There was once where I was in this workshop where they were preparing to load the track car, all the problems that arise last minute. Beyond speechless. To achieve that high whp, you have to sacrifice a lot in terms of the daily driven aspect.

 

[TOMEI-R]

I think to have such a heavily modded car, you wont be using the car on the road much. Driveability is already not an issue. With heavy clutches, full lock lsds, semi slick tyres and very stiff suspension setups, loud exhaust systems, the car would most probably be parked in the garage at home waiting for track days or spirited drives once in a while. Coupled with the amounts of cash you have spent on the car and the current high theft rates, Im very sure you will be leaving your car at home just like me.

 

[kUmUcHaI 11/1]

just buy a EK which someone already built... save times...save trouble

so many people selling their well built and taking care EK with > 200hps at wheel

EG also got ... cheaper than EK lagi...

Bro... building is fun... but i got no passion of that.... i just want Vtec under my foot...IMMEDIATELY...

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call up a seller which selling their dyno proved 200hps EG or EK and ask for test drive
then you wont sleep.. wont eat .. wont stopped looking at phone wanna call seller ..
missing the test drive when you see other honda ..
getting thinner and thinner.. dreaming of Vtec.. hallucinating Vtec sound..

Until you buy one.... get really...

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get ready...wops

 

[monsh]

for a 1600 to have 200WHP is hard and a lot of job .
possibly not suitable for daily driving as well, and also, can the engine block sustain that much power ?

iinm, the B series engine prone to overheating .

 

[pwhyze]

Eh, I have to say I've never heard of overheating issues with the b-series engine..care to share?

 

[mADmAN]

i know of 2 different EG Hatchbacks about 10 years ago with about 200hp at the wheels with their N/A B16A engines...BOTH are daily driven.... obviously both EGs spent up to the region of 5 digits for their mods.

one of them even makes SG-KL-SG trips every now n then with that car. while the other used to frequent track days with that engine and also drags at night...

so if 10 years ago, 200hp B16As can be done well and reliably....y not now? especially since theres alot more options to parts that can even make more power at an even cheaper price.


as for overheating... both cars never had overheating issues... and the only time my B series overheated was when radiator hose pecah.

 

[AD_EG]

the thing with these dyno numbers is sometimes its elevated....but maybe near those figures can la...i got a friend who has a b16a. some of the mods:

toda c,84mm bore,block guard,high comp pistons,tye r oil pump,vafc,and a lot of other supporting mod..daily driver,only car. no aircon, no power steering. travels up down to kl. no issues. not lightened. inside got full seats, dashboard panels etc..

he made about 210+-whp on a dyno here, but i think if on dyno dynamics maybe 190++...dono la...whatever it is, his car was eating b20 and modded 18c like nobodies business....his car is a monster... seriously... its been a year now...car still running strong.

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ya la ...what rumour is this ah about b series overheating always???????? serously wei...mine NEVER overheated ever...in track, on the road, on genting, with oem radiator or with aluminum...same only.... drove from jb to penang straight....once....and when sold, new owner collected car from j.b and drove to penang straight never ever overheat... haihs... vtec's is simply a beautiful engine...

 

[ddv_nk12]

I dont think B-series has heating issues. I only experienced it when one of the radiator hose was leaking. I mean of course when you open up the hood after driving and stand in front of it, its hot. As compared to my kancil and A16A1, of course the b-series is "hotter". lol.. i think thats normal and i dont think thats an issue here.

b16 to reach 200whp can be done. I dont know if u guys agree with what one of a mechanic told me. he said that dyno figures can be changed. he said if i want 250whp, he can say give me those figures without actually modding the car. i dont agree though. maybe he can manipulate it but still... i dont know.