Anyone going for the July 9 Bersih Rally?
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where is the peaceful demo that promised?
The failure part is the planning of the organizing party. They never make full use of the both Agong and PM promises. If police said cannot do it in Stadium Merdeka, then find other stadium la. If time not enough to arrange, then delay la. Why must be on particular time and place? Why must go to the street and fight and end up with spoiling the campaign and create problems that can be avoid or shouldn't be exist?
End of the day, who win? Gov had to pay money for restoring the street and whatever had been damaged, including country image. Bersih failed to get the demo peacefully done. The winner is the one who stir up the peoples emotion and launch the fight between rakyat and police. Because of rakyat hating police which represents the gov, they will get enough support to keep them in power in the next election.
Bersih 2.0 had been stolen. A great vision had been spoiled. A good example/reference for making future demonstration permit application easier failed. Nothing related to Bersih 2.0's target achieved end of the day. Only left with disappointment, hate, anger, sad and regret.
Those people who strikes and those police who doing their job, all has own family and loves one. Any one of them injured or died, many people will be sad. Since police has to do their job to dismiss a demonstration that without permit, I think the Bersih 2.0 leaders should come out and apologize and take responsibility of the thing. They cannot just go away from the mess they had created. The failure of obtaining a permit is not good enough to use as an excuse.
The failure part is the planning of the organizing party. They never make full use of the both Agong and PM promises. If police said cannot do it in Stadium Merdeka, then find other stadium la. If time not enough to arrange, then delay la. Why must be on particular time and place? Why must go to the street and fight and end up with spoiling the campaign and create problems that can be avoid or shouldn't be exist?
End of the day, who win? Gov had to pay money for restoring the street and whatever had been damaged, including country image. Bersih failed to get the demo peacefully done. The winner is the one who stir up the peoples emotion and launch the fight between rakyat and police. Because of rakyat hating police which represents the gov, they will get enough support to keep them in power in the next election.
Bersih 2.0 had been stolen. A great vision had been spoiled. A good example/reference for making future demonstration permit application easier failed. Nothing related to Bersih 2.0's target achieved end of the day. Only left with disappointment, hate, anger, sad and regret.
Those people who strikes and those police who doing their job, all has own family and loves one. Any one of them injured or died, many people will be sad. Since police has to do their job to dismiss a demonstration that without permit, I think the Bersih 2.0 leaders should come out and apologize and take responsibility of the thing. They cannot just go away from the mess they had created. The failure of obtaining a permit is not good enough to use as an excuse.
Find another stadium ??? nah... sure all stadium not allow to do it..
How to do it peacefully when the Chaos is created by the police ?
Actually police should open a road guard those BERSIH people and only catch those troublemaker during the rally....
When most of the police doing their job when rakyat really need them ?...
With the amount of protester ...if they want to create a chaos...
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And how the mainstream media twist :
How to do it peacefully when the Chaos is created by the police ?
Actually police should open a road guard those BERSIH people and only catch those troublemaker during the rally....
When most of the police doing their job when rakyat really need them ?...
With the amount of protester ...if they want to create a chaos...
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And how the mainstream media twist :
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This morning,after recuperating from lethargy from lack of sleep for the past 48 hours, I looked back at what had taken place and I was resonating with sense of pride.
Gomen said BERSIH2.0 was a failure, a lost cause, the numbers were mere 6 thousand. How was lost defined? How does one quatify winning and loosing? To each,their own, personal interpretation.
I dont know what the rakyat has lost but I do know what the rakyat has won,we came together as one. Yesterday, no one is rich or poor, no one was a malay nor anyone was a non-malay, we were Malaysians, BANGSA MALAYSIA.
We took to the streets as one voice in opposing a corrupted government, in our consideration, in peace, a demonstration in peace. The gomens propoganda had failed and yesterdays expression of the rakyat is proof.
As if Bersih2.0 did not take heed of the Agongs words, it is the gomen who has disrespect the Agong! Wait with patience for the permit? We have waited several years since the first Bersih. How much longer? Wait till my son and daughter confers me a Datukship?
Gomen said BERSIH2.0 was a failure, a lost cause, the numbers were mere 6 thousand. How was lost defined? How does one quatify winning and loosing? To each,their own, personal interpretation.
I dont know what the rakyat has lost but I do know what the rakyat has won,we came together as one. Yesterday, no one is rich or poor, no one was a malay nor anyone was a non-malay, we were Malaysians, BANGSA MALAYSIA.
We took to the streets as one voice in opposing a corrupted government, in our consideration, in peace, a demonstration in peace. The gomens propoganda had failed and yesterdays expression of the rakyat is proof.
As if Bersih2.0 did not take heed of the Agongs words, it is the gomen who has disrespect the Agong! Wait with patience for the permit? We have waited several years since the first Bersih. How much longer? Wait till my son and daughter confers me a Datukship?
Khalid the MB already offer Shah Alam stadium according to the news days before 09 Jul. Police already mention will give priority for Bersih permit application so that they can do it on 09 Jul although the minimum days require for permit application will push the event to further. Why must take the Stadium Merdeka more important than a successful demonstration event? Does Stadium Merdeka have louder speakers or the safety of the participant and non involved personnel are not in the priority?
I agree and support the points that Bersih 2.0 brought out. But I don't agree what they had done on the recent demo. They want to do in the place they prefer, but never respect those people who work/doing business nearby and other parties who disagree. When launch the rally to against the police, they never care about people's life and people's family.
Now, the person who should protecting the laws went against the laws. So, in the future, any party (regardless good or bad) if don't get permit for demo/rally, they can copy whatever Bersih 2.0 did. The permit system which created for ensuring safety and planning, had totally defeated by force. It shouldn't be ending like this.
Freedom is important and granted when a person born. But it does has a limit. Nothing more important than life. Those days virginity was on the list and nowadays maybe need put money and properties on the list too. We can have a demo. But we need to think about other people who are not involve and even those who are on the opposite side. We cannot say we like it and we have enough people to support and then we can do whatever we want. If Bersih 2.0 can claim that they had win, by having few thousands supporters on the street, then what should they declare if its opposition can bring double amount of people go on the street without permit as they did? Launch Bersih 2.1 and get more people ar? When it should end? Want the country like Bangladesh ar, almost every month got rally (mat salleh call it riot). Until foreigners need to use ambulant transport to get to airport. Nothing wrong with the 8 demands from Bersih 2.0. Why need to make it until looks like bullied by police or gov? Does it mean that if I hate someone, I can put my feet under his car while he is moving and claim that he try to hit me with car then ask the pass by peoples to revenge for me?
Want people to respect, 1st must respect people 1st. Volume of voice doesn't win over truth. If they don't do the demo, 'exchange' it with selling a non provoking T-shirt legally, I believe they can earn more than what they had achieved and not making a single man to be hurt and tax payers' money no need to be wasted on police/hospital/majlis perbandaraan expenses which are originally not exist. Sending memorandum no need to use thousands of people. Just bring the document and ask reporters to do photo shoot in front of istana negara is more than enough. Even can request Aging to receive it and snap a photo during the previous meet for this Bersih 2.0 issues.
Now they had spoiled my plan for applying a permit for demonstration against the law which is not allow people to keep paintball gun at home for self defense purpose. I thought I can form a private home defense association and use them as a reference and get something like 2-3k people demo but now no need to talk anymore. It sounds like a joke but I did get some guns at set the chrono to max for self defense at home.
Gun itself is not dangerous if you not using it for a wrong purpose. Demo/rally is not harmful if not effecting others' life or belongings. If public safety is the reason police gave to Bersih, they should study and find a way. Not like now, creating a chaos and spoil the country image just for an advertising purpose. Leaders paid hours of freedom in Police station. What did those front line who think they are hero paid?
Again, I fully agree and support with Bersih's 8 points of demand. But don't agree with their way of handling this case. A great vision turn out like doing free advertising for opposition political party. Still no Bersih 2.0 representative can answer me why cannot delay date and find a suitable place and obtain a permit for demonstration. Why must launch an illegal rally and put peoples' life on risk? If no one answer, then I assume it as political reason or 'playing' with people's emotion reason.
I agree and support the points that Bersih 2.0 brought out. But I don't agree what they had done on the recent demo. They want to do in the place they prefer, but never respect those people who work/doing business nearby and other parties who disagree. When launch the rally to against the police, they never care about people's life and people's family.
Now, the person who should protecting the laws went against the laws. So, in the future, any party (regardless good or bad) if don't get permit for demo/rally, they can copy whatever Bersih 2.0 did. The permit system which created for ensuring safety and planning, had totally defeated by force. It shouldn't be ending like this.
Freedom is important and granted when a person born. But it does has a limit. Nothing more important than life. Those days virginity was on the list and nowadays maybe need put money and properties on the list too. We can have a demo. But we need to think about other people who are not involve and even those who are on the opposite side. We cannot say we like it and we have enough people to support and then we can do whatever we want. If Bersih 2.0 can claim that they had win, by having few thousands supporters on the street, then what should they declare if its opposition can bring double amount of people go on the street without permit as they did? Launch Bersih 2.1 and get more people ar? When it should end? Want the country like Bangladesh ar, almost every month got rally (mat salleh call it riot). Until foreigners need to use ambulant transport to get to airport. Nothing wrong with the 8 demands from Bersih 2.0. Why need to make it until looks like bullied by police or gov? Does it mean that if I hate someone, I can put my feet under his car while he is moving and claim that he try to hit me with car then ask the pass by peoples to revenge for me?
Want people to respect, 1st must respect people 1st. Volume of voice doesn't win over truth. If they don't do the demo, 'exchange' it with selling a non provoking T-shirt legally, I believe they can earn more than what they had achieved and not making a single man to be hurt and tax payers' money no need to be wasted on police/hospital/majlis perbandaraan expenses which are originally not exist. Sending memorandum no need to use thousands of people. Just bring the document and ask reporters to do photo shoot in front of istana negara is more than enough. Even can request Aging to receive it and snap a photo during the previous meet for this Bersih 2.0 issues.
Now they had spoiled my plan for applying a permit for demonstration against the law which is not allow people to keep paintball gun at home for self defense purpose. I thought I can form a private home defense association and use them as a reference and get something like 2-3k people demo but now no need to talk anymore. It sounds like a joke but I did get some guns at set the chrono to max for self defense at home.
Gun itself is not dangerous if you not using it for a wrong purpose. Demo/rally is not harmful if not effecting others' life or belongings. If public safety is the reason police gave to Bersih, they should study and find a way. Not like now, creating a chaos and spoil the country image just for an advertising purpose. Leaders paid hours of freedom in Police station. What did those front line who think they are hero paid?
Again, I fully agree and support with Bersih's 8 points of demand. But don't agree with their way of handling this case. A great vision turn out like doing free advertising for opposition political party. Still no Bersih 2.0 representative can answer me why cannot delay date and find a suitable place and obtain a permit for demonstration. Why must launch an illegal rally and put peoples' life on risk? If no one answer, then I assume it as political reason or 'playing' with people's emotion reason.
I pity to those public who were unable "to cari makan" due to yesterday event.
Peniaga pasar chow kit, makcik/pakcik jual air tebu and goreng pisang/keropok lekor, taxi drivers, peniaga-peniaga tepi jalan, and salesman/salesgirl that supposed came to work yesterday.
Same goes to all motorist that trapped in huge traffic jamned yesterday. Dah la minyak makin mahal, end-up got stuck in the middle of road.
With all the sacrifice given by all involved (whether they directly or indirectly involved), I hope there will be some changes later on.
On the other note, I believe not all policeman are brutal or act beyond their power. They also has family to take care. They just cari makan also. They just following the order from top level hierarchy. And trust me, a lot of them are also opposition follower. It just their duty as policeman that "instruct" them to do so. Same thing happens to other civil service workers. They cannot speak out-loud their mind, otherwise, they will be transferred 24 hours to rural area, or worst still, got put in "cold storage" and got frozen from promotion and so on. BUT, like other government servants, they will exercise their rights in GE.
We have more than 1 million government servants, and trust me, more than half of them are not voting for BN. It just that they need to serve for the Government of The Day...
Peace no war :wavey:
Peniaga pasar chow kit, makcik/pakcik jual air tebu and goreng pisang/keropok lekor, taxi drivers, peniaga-peniaga tepi jalan, and salesman/salesgirl that supposed came to work yesterday.
Same goes to all motorist that trapped in huge traffic jamned yesterday. Dah la minyak makin mahal, end-up got stuck in the middle of road.
With all the sacrifice given by all involved (whether they directly or indirectly involved), I hope there will be some changes later on.
On the other note, I believe not all policeman are brutal or act beyond their power. They also has family to take care. They just cari makan also. They just following the order from top level hierarchy. And trust me, a lot of them are also opposition follower. It just their duty as policeman that "instruct" them to do so. Same thing happens to other civil service workers. They cannot speak out-loud their mind, otherwise, they will be transferred 24 hours to rural area, or worst still, got put in "cold storage" and got frozen from promotion and so on. BUT, like other government servants, they will exercise their rights in GE.
We have more than 1 million government servants, and trust me, more than half of them are not voting for BN. It just that they need to serve for the Government of The Day...
Peace no war :wavey:
Najib and his administration is in denial mode, refusing to face reality, simply comforting themselves by declaring the 'Silent Majority' are objecting to Bersih2.0, how did he deduce such assumption one wonders.
It is the same Silent Majority that you an co made to pay for PKFZ.
It is the same Silent Majority that you an co made to pay for your field trip worth RM47Millions.
It is the same Silent Majority that you an co made to pay RM1.8million for Facebook pages.
It is the same Silent Majority that you an co made to pay for hiked electricity tariff.
It is the same Silent Majority childrens that you an co are denying quality education.
Do you, Najib and co, honestly think that these 'Silent Majority' will stand by you?
It is the same Silent Majority that you an co made to pay for PKFZ.
It is the same Silent Majority that you an co made to pay for your field trip worth RM47Millions.
It is the same Silent Majority that you an co made to pay RM1.8million for Facebook pages.
It is the same Silent Majority that you an co made to pay for hiked electricity tariff.
It is the same Silent Majority childrens that you an co are denying quality education.
Do you, Najib and co, honestly think that these 'Silent Majority' will stand by you?
Personally, I prefer to see no rally no demo but hundred of thousands or even million people to wear the same clothing on weekends, every fcking weekends, to remind each other on the demand that they are requesting. Also, millions car on the road with the same stickers every fcking day. And of cause, Bersih can trade mark their logo and make some money for making the organization more efficient, even can extend their wing to anti corruption and occasionally support the charity. In this way, winning is on the rakyat side and losing is on the dirty politicians side. Not like now, both BN and opposition are winning (BN can voice loud to control future demo and opposition won people's support. The more they fight, the more winning chance they have), rakyat and bersih itself are losing (those injured, lost time, money and etc. Bersih's image spoiled due to create chaos via illegal event and link to political party. Of cause, tax payer is the one who paid everything including the cost of sending extra police/inspectors to monitor Bersih members).
I just can't belip why high IQ group can have such low EQ move. But lawyer suppose to have both IQ and EQ high as their nature job requirement. So what is the main purpose to create an illegal rally while there are many options out there? Please find me an answer else I cannot sleep for few nights.
I just can't belip why high IQ group can have such low EQ move. But lawyer suppose to have both IQ and EQ high as their nature job requirement. So what is the main purpose to create an illegal rally while there are many options out there? Please find me an answer else I cannot sleep for few nights.
i think it was consider peaceful what...no looting,no burning.if they wanna burn,easily they can start burning something and vandalise those cars or anything.
tq bersih.. because they are successfully tarnish malaysia image one again.. and this bersih rally just full of politic.. trust me.. when g.e come.. u will hear mat sabu, anuar ibrahim and co said at bersih we get hit by police.. i got caught without doing anything, police brutality at bersih and bla3..
I agree that bersih rally just full of politic from both side....we all know that....
but the way police handle was wrong........
About Malaysia Image ..hmm got it positive and negative after this BERSIH rally.....
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The regulation stated that police must dismiss a crowd for illegal gathering with certain procedure. Example like planning - prepare force - warning - action. It is the law.
All the pictures show malaysian fighting malaysian. One side has to do their job to maintaining the safety and laws integrity. One side has to defense the vision and believes that they are supporting. I'm wonder why not just make a big 20 square meter cage, put both Najib and Anwar, + head of police and Bersih, all 4 people start fighting and the last one standing give the call on the demo thing. If too brute for under 18 children, maybe ask those 4 people sit on a round table for debating, put camera and microphone on top and do a larry king's style live report and let the rakyat judge who is right and who is 'cari makan' from this issue. Same, last man standing give the call. Less money spent and no innocent people get hurt or lose money. Effect towards the original 8 points of demand of the Bersih 2.0 should be better than an illegal rally.
When we are small, if father don't buy toys, we can cry, can grab the toy and don't let go. Sometimes even don't talk to father for many days (my father passed away before I know how to call papa, so the person was my mother). But now we all healthily grown up. no more crying or bragging. We can make our own money and buy whatever we like within our reach. So, look at those 'live' photos and think by yourselves. We can do it in a more civilized way regarding a time and place issue for a demonstration event. Why we have to make it end up with violence? I wanted to shoot kaw the police for hitting people but I found no excuse. They are just exercising the procedure according to the laws.
Malaysian should help each other but not fighting each other. I don't call this as a peaceful run when someone is injured and businessmen have to close shop. If somehow the police manage to create a human wall around the stadium and don't use force to chase people away, rally side also swear not to go anywhere else except able to reach the stadium. What will happen? If police lose, no people will respect the law in the future. If Bersih lose, the 8 demands can put into the rubbish can (according to their will for going to stadium merdeka). If both parties don't lose, next day people no need to work and no need to do business, shut the town center down until 1 side lose? So, logically, police has the responsibility to maintain the law integrity and has the power to make the illegal thing end within a time frame (usually ASAP). So they make the 1st move. But they are not straight shooting the gas or whack people with stick. They asked people to dismiss within a time frame 1st and if don't obey, then they have to move a step forward. Can you say it is wrong?
I just finished Heavenly Sword today. Maybe effected by it a bit. Calling the front line who is gonna die 1st as a brave hero or something similar just like the evil king bohan speech. Also, when Nariko recused her clan brothers, they just give her up and runaway, just like those politicians who forget the voters after the election. Damn, since when Bersih had become a demonic king? Sorry for the Bersih supporters. Not intent but just can't find any thing to describe my feeling I just don't like people to use certain wordings to comfort people like treating a kid. When they use the word brave, they should bracket it and add '+ smart'. Hopefully they will be able to add a smart word next time.
All the pictures show malaysian fighting malaysian. One side has to do their job to maintaining the safety and laws integrity. One side has to defense the vision and believes that they are supporting. I'm wonder why not just make a big 20 square meter cage, put both Najib and Anwar, + head of police and Bersih, all 4 people start fighting and the last one standing give the call on the demo thing. If too brute for under 18 children, maybe ask those 4 people sit on a round table for debating, put camera and microphone on top and do a larry king's style live report and let the rakyat judge who is right and who is 'cari makan' from this issue. Same, last man standing give the call. Less money spent and no innocent people get hurt or lose money. Effect towards the original 8 points of demand of the Bersih 2.0 should be better than an illegal rally.
When we are small, if father don't buy toys, we can cry, can grab the toy and don't let go. Sometimes even don't talk to father for many days (my father passed away before I know how to call papa, so the person was my mother). But now we all healthily grown up. no more crying or bragging. We can make our own money and buy whatever we like within our reach. So, look at those 'live' photos and think by yourselves. We can do it in a more civilized way regarding a time and place issue for a demonstration event. Why we have to make it end up with violence? I wanted to shoot kaw the police for hitting people but I found no excuse. They are just exercising the procedure according to the laws.
Malaysian should help each other but not fighting each other. I don't call this as a peaceful run when someone is injured and businessmen have to close shop. If somehow the police manage to create a human wall around the stadium and don't use force to chase people away, rally side also swear not to go anywhere else except able to reach the stadium. What will happen? If police lose, no people will respect the law in the future. If Bersih lose, the 8 demands can put into the rubbish can (according to their will for going to stadium merdeka). If both parties don't lose, next day people no need to work and no need to do business, shut the town center down until 1 side lose? So, logically, police has the responsibility to maintain the law integrity and has the power to make the illegal thing end within a time frame (usually ASAP). So they make the 1st move. But they are not straight shooting the gas or whack people with stick. They asked people to dismiss within a time frame 1st and if don't obey, then they have to move a step forward. Can you say it is wrong?
I just finished Heavenly Sword today. Maybe effected by it a bit. Calling the front line who is gonna die 1st as a brave hero or something similar just like the evil king bohan speech. Also, when Nariko recused her clan brothers, they just give her up and runaway, just like those politicians who forget the voters after the election. Damn, since when Bersih had become a demonic king? Sorry for the Bersih supporters. Not intent but just can't find any thing to describe my feeling
I just don't like people to use certain wordings to comfort people like treating a kid. When they use the word brave, they should bracket it and add '+ smart'. Hopefully they will be able to add a smart word next time."“Police had used minimum force and there was no actual physical contact with the demonstrators,” said Najib at a press conference here yesterday." - Wow! no physical contact. I wonder what would happen if there was an ACTUAL contact, the body would have been seperated from its soul?
"On the special explanation session, Najib said the party held a special session to explain current issues, including the Bersih illegal rally, to its division leaders and supporters comprising Malay-based non-governmental organisations." - Why the need for an explanation if you are confident that the silent majority are againts the rally? Are you insecure?
"Asked whether it was all right for him to leave for his official overseas engagement, the Prime Minister said he would return if a situation warranted his presence here." - The rakyat thinks otherwise, the rakyat thinks that you chickened out and ran.
"Street demonstrations must not be made a part of the Malaysian culture, the Prime Minister said. " - This came from a hypocrit najib razak, who once threathened to burn down the Chinese Community Hall when he helmed pemuda umnoputra.
"On the special explanation session, Najib said the party held a special session to explain current issues, including the Bersih illegal rally, to its division leaders and supporters comprising Malay-based non-governmental organisations." - Why the need for an explanation if you are confident that the silent majority are againts the rally? Are you insecure?
"Asked whether it was all right for him to leave for his official overseas engagement, the Prime Minister said he would return if a situation warranted his presence here." - The rakyat thinks otherwise, the rakyat thinks that you chickened out and ran.
"Street demonstrations must not be made a part of the Malaysian culture, the Prime Minister said. " - This came from a hypocrit najib razak, who once threathened to burn down the Chinese Community Hall when he helmed pemuda umnoputra.
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i didn't really agree with this demonstration....
but i've read so many comments says that "make change during next G.E".....really aware what was the cause of those BERSIH ppl shouting out loud for demonstration?
it was the G.E breached trust.....go google for "penipuan SPRM" and u'll know How Does It Works..
but i've read so many comments says that "make change during next G.E".....really aware what was the cause of those BERSIH ppl shouting out loud for demonstration?
it was the G.E breached trust.....go google for "penipuan SPRM" and u'll know How Does It Works..
Yeh, I agree Najib speech on the rally issue is full of sht I felt the leaders from all parties also suddently like ate too much of those goat placenta thing until ont only the face, the brain also become 50 years younger.
But most probably it was only meant for somebody to listen, eg. those who throw plastic bottle to police type of level.
I felt the leaders from all parties also suddently like ate too much of those goat placenta thing until ont only the face, the brain also become 50 years younger. But most probably it was only meant for somebody to listen, eg. those who throw plastic bottle to police type of level.
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