Dual Clutch Rebuilt or Replace Clutch Assembly

[Mitevo7]

Dear All,

I am preparing to do the above for my Volvo S60 came with 6 Speed Powershift DCT with wet clutches. I know Powershift isn't the most durable DCT around but this one seems to serve me very well for over 100k km's.

Just want to know, can the clutches rebuilt by replacing the clutch packs or have to buy the whole assembly that cost a bomb. Generally what's the mileage for DCTs ? Read from the web it supposed to last the "LIFETIME" of the car, which i call bullshit as the clutches will worn, just slower than single clutch.

Thanks,
Ken

 

[ixeo]

I have no idea, but I'm curious, why are you considering rebuilding it or replacing the clutch, is the drive being impacted?

Usually I recommend to burn it with fire and claim insurance, then buy another car. Since claiming total lost for a VW will payout more (agreed value) than selling it to a used car dealer or 2nd hand market ROFL. Last I remember, Volvo 2nd hand value not that great either.

 

[Mitevo7]

I have no idea, but I'm curious, why are you considering rebuilding it or replacing the clutch, is the drive being impacted?

Usually I recommend to burn it with fire and claim insurance, then buy another car. Since claiming total lost for a VW will payout more (agreed value) than selling it to a used car dealer or 2nd hand market ROFL. Last I remember, Volvo 2nd hand value not that great either.

Hi Ixeo,

No, driving is not impacted (touch wood) for now, but i would assume all clutches have lifespan, just that wet type dual clutches last much longer compared with dry type and does not have so much issues like the dry type. So far i took this car for a spirited drive all genting and the gearbox never missed gear change and acceleration is fantastic for 1.6 Turbo. I bought this car used, that means i didn't have to pay too much for it. So far i have done the below once i have got the car:

1.) Clean the intake valves - since this is a GDI engine
2.) Repair all oil leaks that i can find, so far i found 2 places, engine oil cooler seal and possibly oil sump/flywheel housing seal. Repaired the engine oil cooler seal as its the easier to access and leaked severly. Oil sump/flywheel housing seal needs more inspection.
3.) Burnout fan motor
4.) Replaced DCT oil and DCT filter

I just got quoted from a gearbox specialist, the clutch can be rebuild with aftermarket clutch packs from LUK Germany with OK prices. I am gathering info so that i am not caught by any stranded situation.

Thanks,
Ken

 

[vr2turbo]

Reply was from bro. ixeo.......

 

[Mitevo7]

Reply was from bro. ixeo.......

Oh crap .... ! Not enough coffee in the morning !

Thanks,
Ken

 

[vr2turbo]

Oh crap .... ! Not enough coffee in the morning !

Thanks,
Ken

haha.... drink another 2 cups first.......

 

[Mitevo7]

haha.... drink another 2 cups first.......

Taking second shot now. Go back to topic, i would say these DCTs really is a great innovation, just that the clutch replacement is pain in my ass, just like replacing a racing clutch in manual transmission.

Thanks,
Ken

 

[ixeo]

I see. Having driven the DSG implementations on VW, I like the sporty feel of it, bang bang bang.

But I have to say, the 8 speed ZF in the BMW and other makes, is better than the DSG overall. Yes I’m biased.

 

[Mitevo7]

I see. Having driven the DSG implementations on VW, I like the sporty feel of it, bang bang bang.

But I have to say, the 8 speed ZF in the BMW and other makes, is better than the DSG overall. Yes I’m biased.

The 8 speed ZF is phenomenal, i agree because i have driven a 328i F30, the shift is fast and seamless. Torque converter has come a very long way !

 

[ixeo]

The 8 speed ZF is phenomenal, i agree because i have driven a 328i F30, the shift is fast and seamless. Torque converter has come a very long way !

Yeah tell me about it. Old torque converters have a slushy feel like power kinda bottled up, whereas DSG is direct.

Is the Powershift in the Fiesta a wet clutch system as well? Just wondering.

VW 7 speed dsg didn’t feel clunky when I test drive the showroom cars. But my friend who owns it say good riddance. Can’t do stop & go at all. My brother’s golf gti mk5 was bullet proof until he sold it.

 

[Mitevo7]

Fiesta a wet clutch system as well? Just wondering.

Yeah tell me about it. Old torque converters have a slushy feel like power kinda bottled up, whereas DSG is direct.

Is the Powershift in the Fiesta a wet clutch system as well? Just wondering.

VW 7 speed dsg didn’t feel clunky when I test drive the showroom cars. But my friend who owns it say good riddance. Can’t do stop & go at all. My brother’s golf gti mk5 was bullet proof until he sold it.

Ford Fiesta and Focus's are dry clutches. Where as Powershift in Volvo's are all wet clutches, so far only issue i had is cracked gasket about 100k kms that's all. The older GTI mk5 is a perfect DSG to me, i test drove it and the shift is much faster and seamless than Powershift, liked the DSG fart very much.

 

[vr2turbo]

Heard the VW 6 speed wet clutch DSG are okay, the 7 speed Dry clutch DSG having the problems.......

 

[s.marz]

I believe it's the same powershift that they are using for the Ford 2.0TDCI engines which is good news for you since many reported to do 300k KM yet still driving smooth. Of course at these numbers you'd be looking to replace it soon but changing it at 100k KM isn't really necessary.

Many of the local guys with Focus 2.0 TDCI Powershift are doing 250k KM and some at 400k KM. Then again it all depends on luck & how you treat your baby!

 

[Mitevo7]

I believe it's the same powershift that they are using for the Ford 2.0TDCI engines which is good news for you since many reported to do 300k KM yet still driving smooth. Of course at these numbers you'd be looking to replace it soon but changing it at 100k KM isn't really necessary.

Many of the local guys with Focus 2.0 TDCI Powershift are doing 250k KM and some at 400k KM. Then again it all depends on luck & how you treat your baby!

As far as i can tell, the clutch is still working great still without slipping and stuffs. This gearbox looks like almost the same model with EVO X SST, since both came from the same factory. I don't really trash my car, driving up genting, i let the gearbox decide which gear to use and it never missed a gear or using wrong gear to climb.

Do you know any workshop within Klang Valley that can service this sort of gearbox when the clutch life is up?

Thanks,
Ken

 

[s.marz]

As far as i can tell, the clutch is still working great still without slipping and stuffs. This gearbox looks like almost the same model with EVO X SST, since both came from the same factory. I don't really trash my car, driving up genting, i let the gearbox decide which gear to use and it never missed a gear or using wrong gear to climb.

There's this saying among the VW guys, if you don't thrash your DCT once in awhile then you are not taking care of it. Just like the ol reliable way of cleaning up carbon deposits, the Italian Tune up.

Do you know any workshop within Klang Valley that can service this sort of gearbox when the clutch life is up?

Thanks,
Ken

There's this workshop at TTDI, KL area that deals only Volvo but I'm not quite sure if they do anything related with the powershift. However, there's this workshop that deals with Ford Powershift and is pretty popular among the Ford guys called Bengkel Excellent Auto. You may want to give them a ring to ask bout the Volvo's powershift. I believe its similar with the Ford Focus 2.0TDCI and Ford Mondeo Ecoboost Powershift.

 

[ixeo]

Just chat with my mech, he did clutch replacement on Ford Fiesta and VW GTi. Can do it for you, provided you buy the parts.

 

[vr2turbo]

There's this saying among the VW guys, if you don't thrash your DCT once in awhile then you are not taking care of it. Just like the ol reliable way of cleaning up carbon deposits, the Italian Tune up.

Very familiar quote, my friend having a jetta, tracks it often till now no issue with the gb. Bro. Izso drove that car before....lol

 

[Mitevo7]

Just chat with my mech, he did clutch replacement on Ford Fiesta and VW GTi. Can do it for you, provided you buy the parts.

You meant i buy my own parts and have him replaced it ?

 

[Mitevo7]

There's this saying among the VW guys, if you don't thrash your DCT once in awhile then you are not taking care of it. Just like the ol reliable way of cleaning up carbon deposits, the Italian Tune up.



There's this workshop at TTDI, KL area that deals only Volvo but I'm not quite sure if they do anything related with the powershift. However, there's this workshop that deals with Ford Powershift and is pretty popular among the Ford guys called Bengkel Excellent Auto. You may want to give them a ring to ask bout the Volvo's powershift. I believe its similar with the Ford Focus 2.0TDCI and Ford Mondeo Ecoboost Powershift.

Hi,

I contacted this Bengkel Excellent Auto before, one minute their FB reply said can do and the other minute reply said only service Ford vehicles. So am not sure which is which.

Thanks,
Ken

 

[Mitevo7]

Now i ran into an new issue, oil seepage detected near oil pan, bell housing area. Dismantle the oil pan to repair the leak as there's bubble foaming out from the oil pan, with some good gasket gum, we stopped majority of the leak. Mechanic said most likely is the rear main seal is leaking but what we found out the flywheel is dry and clean with no visible oil leakage. Where could the leak coming from if its not the rear main seal? I don't want the mechanic to dismantle my gearbox just to look for small seep.

Thanks,
Ken

 

[ixeo]

You meant i buy my own parts and have him replaced it ?

Yup. I like him cause he just charge workmanship. You get your own parts so you know exactly what is going into your car.

 

[Mitevo7]

Yup. I like him cause he just charge workmanship. You get your own parts so you know exactly what is going into your car.

Well risk of buying my own, WRONG parts. Perhaps if he can help in verify parts then i will dare to do so. There are so many suppliers with lots of prices in the market.

Where is he located btw ?

Thanks,
Ken

 

[vr2turbo]

Well risk of buying my own, WRONG parts. Perhaps if he can help in verify parts then i will dare to do so. There are so many suppliers with lots of prices in the market.

Where is he located btw ?

Thanks,
Ken

Exactly. Many times I wait at my mechanics place for repairs. When they order parts, the parts gets delivered, but some parts got small slight variants and cannot fit, then he calls and return to get the right parts. Imagine if we buy, gone case cannot return. I only buy parts that I know, that is why sometimes I keep track of the parts used then in future I know the right parts.....lol

 

[gunnerzz]

Exactly. Many times I wait at my mechanics place for repairs. When they order parts, the parts gets delivered, but some parts got small slight variants and cannot fit, then he calls and return to get the right parts. Imagine if we buy, gone case cannot return. I only buy parts that I know, that is why sometimes I keep track of the parts used then in future I know the right parts.....lol

Eh...people like u must be well known at your regular spare part shop right?
Can change within period which is usually 2-3 days.

Which is why i will plan repair and buy the parts as late as possible. Got times exceed the 2 days but for small cheap parts so i just open the store door and throw it in the misc parts box.

 

[ixeo]

Well risk of buying my own, WRONG parts. Perhaps if he can help in verify parts then i will dare to do so. There are so many suppliers with lots of prices in the market.

Where is he located btw ?

Thanks,
Ken

Uhm if you go to Volvo stockist, doubt they do sohai kua. If they give wrong parts they need to eat it back la.

He’s based in Sungai Buloh