Hammer to break windows in emergencies

[cbsteh]

Unless you are pretty sure it can punch through the specific security tint you use, don't bet your life on someone's general statements that it 'may' break through security tint.

No thanks to your unhelpful reply. It is replies like yours that drove me to ask this question in the first place.

 

[ixeo]

It is actually quite rare to have our seatbelts jammed and would require cutting. In bad accidents, our windows would often break anyway. In most accidents, one or more of our car doors can still be opened unless the accident is really bad. Even a car that has turned turtle would have the windows break/crack and the doors can still be opened, albeit we would be doing it upside down which can be disorientating.

Nonetheless, having a simple rescue tool to cut seatbelt and break windows is still recommended. It doesn't cost much and does not clutter our car interior.

I would assume if the accident is that severe till the point of rendering the doors inoperable, and the seat belt buckle which is on the inside of the passenger jammed. The passengers in the car would be in no position to use such a tool, lest severing his own fingers while trying to cut the seatbelt, or punching another passenger in the car while trying to break the window.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

I got this 2 for free after major service on my car.

I think is good. As it is 5 in 1 tool. Most useful is the hammer sharp point tip and the cutter for our safety belt.

I think it cost less than RM100. Worth having in the car.

1 guy at lowyat selling RM50 only.

 

[vr2turbo]

hu! hu! with tyre pressure gauge.....

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

hu! hu! with tyre pressure gauge.....

Yup, Safety Belt Cutter, Hammer, Torchlight, Tyre Pressure Gauge (Digital), Thread depth gauge

Very handy indeed.

 

[vr2turbo]

Yup, Safety Belt Cutter, Hammer, Torchlight, Tyre Pressure Gauge (Digital), Thread depth gauge

Very handy indeed.

So sell to me one at RM25......hahahahahahaa

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

So sell to me one at RM25......hahahahahahaa

I think I need to get one more

Mine gave to GF, one put in Altis, BLM don't have

 

[FVel]

No thanks to your unhelpful reply. It is replies like yours that drove me to ask this question in the first place.

I'm not trying to be difficult.

I actually spend about RM400+ on a bunch of ResQMe from Chong at Perfect Protection to give out to my family members. So it's not like I'm pissing in your cornflakes for no reason.

What I am saying to you is that you owe it to yourself to test the ResQMe on the specific security tint that you use with your car. That is the only way you can be sure. Encik Salim made some general statements that suggested to you that it 'may' work' on security tint 'depending' on various factors.

In short, he is guessing. To me, THAT is an unhelpful statement because it does not answer anything definitively and, if anything, it gives a false sense of confidence.

I have security tint on my car and in short order I plan to sacrifice a side window to test the ResQMe. But that's just me. You do what you like. For what its worth.

Incidentally, the glass saw on the Victorinox Rescue Tool will saw through a laminated front windshield but it takes time and effort.

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I got this 2 for free after major service on my car.

I think is good. As it is 5 in 1 tool. Most useful is the hammer sharp point tip and the cutter for our safety belt.

If there is a way of finding out, make sure the glassbreaker tip is, at very least, tungsten carbide and that you have personally and successfully tested it on piece of tempered glass.

Some of these hammers come with steel tips which have been known to fail as glassbreakers. There is youtube video somewhere of a test being done with one of the hammer steel tips and this guy was pounding away at the side window which remained intact and tip getting blunted in the process.

People don't know it but tempered glass has similar hardness as steel which is why it is not as easy to break as one might think. Just imagine if you have to do it in a hurry or when you are injured and not able to muster full strength.

This also explains why you can shatter tempered glass with a piece of sparkplug ceramic. That ceramic, although brittle, has a significantly higher hardness than tempered glass. Same principle as a diamond (the hardest naturally occurring material). A diamond is very hard, but brittle (shatters easily). Steel is not as hard, but it is tough. People confuse hardness with toughness.....two very different attributes.

 

[cbsteh]

I'm not trying to be difficult.

I actually spend about RM400+ on a bunch of ResQMe from Chong at Perfect Protection to give out to my family members. So it's not like I'm pissing in your cornflakes for no reason.

What I am saying to you is that you owe it to yourself to test the ResQMe on the specific security tint that you use with your car. That is the only way you can be sure. Encik Salim made some general statements that suggested to you that it 'may' work' on security tint 'depending' on various factors.

In short, he is guessing. To me, THAT is an unhelpful statement because it does not answer anything definitively and, if anything, it gives a false sense of confidence.

I have security tint on my car and in short order I plan to sacrifice a side window to test the ResQMe. But that's just me. You do what you like. For what its worth.

Incidentally, the glass saw on the Victorinox Rescue Tool will saw through a laminated front windshield but it takes time and effort.

What I wrote earlier was En Salim said that such ResQMe device can break through a security tint, but may take several attempts to do so. In other words, security tints complicate glass breakage but the tints are not impervious to ResQMe or such other devices.

Well, Salim could be embarrassingly wrong. I regret not asking him then if he had ever tried breaking security tints, but he is a bona fide Search & Rescue Officer (MVFRA), and he did answer my question with confidence.

So, yes, please test breaking your security tint and report to us (even if to spite me), preferably with video evidence. Otherwise, your last post, as like your previous posts, are unhelpful because they do not contribute to new information.

I am sure ZTH members (including me) and others would appreciate your test and sacrifice. I say this without sarcasm. That was my original intention of this post -- to learn if security tints are impervious to glass breaking devices or if these tints alarmingly complicate glass breakage so much.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

See if I can spot any idiot driver that is in my list of idiot drivers one day. Can try on their windows and see if it works

 

[FVel]

So, yes, please test breaking your security tint and report to us (even if to spite me), preferably with video evidence. Otherwise, your last post, as like your previous posts, are unhelpful because they do not contribute to new information.

Spite you ? I have better things to do.

I didn't get anything useful from Salim's comments, to be honest, irrespective of his position as a SAR personnel or whether he spoke about the ResQMe's attributes on sec tints with confidence.

Unless he actually did some scientific tests on security tints, it's all rhetorical and I do not bet my life on mere rhetoric.

The ResQMe will work on non-security tinted tempered glass. That at least is proven, otherwise I would not have spend good money on a bunch of them and trusted them enough to give to family members.

And while you may be eager for me to report on ResQMe test results on the sec tint on my car, you should be completely aware of few things just so that people do not get the wrong idea :-

1. The results will only be applicable to the security tint on my car

2. There is absolutely no warranty that it will perform in the same manner with sec tints from other makes.

3. Even amongst sec tint from the same make, there are different levels and grades of protection. Obviously, all things being equal, a tougher grade will affect things differently.

4. If I do report on the results (and I may not for liability reasons) you rely them on your own risk. There is absolutely no warranty or guarantee that the results are representative to any and all circumstances. I'm not some nationally sanctioned, qualified or certified standards and test body and this is not even remotely a representation of the product's effectiveness or ineffectiveness. You have been warned.

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See if I can spot any idiot driver that is in my list of idiot drivers one day. Can try on their windows and see if it works

I can tell you that sparkplug ceramic thing worked on tempered glass. I wouldn't have believe it had I not seen it myself. We had a condemned car at a friend's workshop an threw a steel ball bearing and then piece of the ceramic at the side window.

The ball bearing kept bouncing off without doing any damage. That light piece of ceramic exploded the the window. Amazing.

Still, sometimes it took several tries to get the desired result. Not something you rely on in an emergency. Get the ResQMe and hang one on your keychain.

 

[cbsteh]

Spite you ? I have better things to do.

I didn't get anything useful from Salim's comments, to be honest, irrespective of his position as a SAR personnel or whether he spoke about the ResQMe's attributes on sec tints with confidence.

Unless he actually did some scientific tests on security tints, it's all rhetorical and I do not bet my life on mere rhetoric.

The ResQMe will work on non-security tinted tempered glass. That at least is proven, otherwise I would not have spend good money on a bunch of them and trusted them enough to give to family members.

And while you may be eager for me to report on ResQMe test results on the sec tint on my car, you should be completely aware of few things just so that people do not get the wrong idea :-

1. The results will only be applicable to the security tint on my car

2. There is absolutely no warranty that it will perform in the same manner with sec tints from other makes.

3. Even amongst sec tint from the same make, there are different levels and grades of protection. Obviously, all things being equal, a tougher grade will affect things differently.

4. If I do report on the results (and I may not for liability reasons) you rely them on your own risk. There is absolutely no warranty or guarantee that the results are representative to any and all circumstances. I'm not some nationally sanctioned, qualified or certified standards and test body and this is not even remotely a representation of the product's effectiveness or ineffectiveness. You have been warned..

Boy, you talk too much. Just do the test already. No need to put disclaimer, warning, tips, helpful hints, theoretical evidence, suggestions ...

 

[vr2turbo]

See if I can spot any idiot driver that is in my list of idiot drivers one day. Can try on their windows and see if it works

ha! ha! test on his car.....

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I can tell you that sparkplug ceramic thing worked on tempered glass. I wouldn't have believe it had I not seen it myself. We had a condemned car at a friend's workshop an threw a steel ball bearing and then piece of the ceramic at the side window.

The ball bearing kept bouncing off without doing any damage. That light piece of ceramic exploded the the window. Amazing.

Still, sometimes it took several tries to get the desired result. Not something you rely on in an emergency. Get the ResQMe and hang one on your keychain.

Could be the point of impact. If ceramic sharp point hits the glass it will break.
Just like a bigger piece of stone hit one of my friends front windscreen but bounce off and another had a smaller stone hit his windscreen and it cracked....

 

[cvkit17]

I am with FVel on this. The matter isnt about the hammer alone, but the securitint too. If a securitint can prevent others from trying so hard to break it, we might encounter the same problem too if one day we really have to break the glass. There is nothing certain on this. The ResQMe or SAR or whatever safety expert would not be sure that you can really break the securitint with this hammer. Not to mention also the force that the user can apply to utilize the hammer.

Tempered glass itself is very hard but it isnt difficult to break. It breaks even if I smack one's head on it. But the laminated film makes the glass more flexi thus the force is transferred evenly to other places therefore it is more difficult to break. So having this hammer, might and might not be able to save you. But if you ask me, of course I will say that having one is better than none. You dont know what or when or how you will be in a situation where you'll need it. Ada cuba ada chance, tak cuba sure ham+c*an.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

I agree with Fvel as well. Not siding anyone but I think Fvel point of view does makes sense and meant no harm to any
parties trying to prove that certain hammers do work or do not work. Type of tint and the thickness varies on different cars
and brands. Even the quality is different.

So if Fvel tested on his car and the tint he chose works well for him, then is good then. But doesn't mean it will work
on other cars. He is just merely recommending us to get the ResQMe tool since he find it really effective.

:top:

 

[cbsteh]

I just want to know how easy or difficult it is to use devices like ResQMe on security tints. Period.

But as you guys have observed, no one here actually knows the answer (which is okay) but some people here act as if they do (which is not okay). They talk a lot but shirk from the challenge or commitment to justify their explanations.

I am not pro ResQMe. If it doesn't work, then I know. And I choose one device that does. But I do not believe this issue is so complicating that one can copout a test simply by saying this test is only unique to me. Yes, cars are different from one another but not by so much that we cannot learn anything from other people's test on their cars.

 

[Izso]

I just want to know how easy or difficult it is to use devices like ResQMe on security tints. Period.

But as you guys have observed, no one here actually knows the answer (which is okay) but some people here act as if they do (which is not okay). They talk a lot but shirk from the challenge or commitment to justify their explanations.

I am not pro ResQMe. If it doesn't work, then I know. And I choose one device that does. But I do not believe this issue is so complicating that one can copout a test simply by saying this test is only unique to me. Yes, cars are different from one another but not by so much that we cannot learn anything from other people's test on their cars.

Question of curiousity : why are you so argumentative? If Fvel choses to test on his car and not publish, it's his perogative. If he also chooses to point out possible scenarios that you disagree with, that's his choice and opinion. Why are you so dead set on shooting him down everytime he chooses to share his thoughts on the matter?

If you're so interested in knowing, why not try it out on your own car assuming you have sec tint?

I have no interest in a ResQMe nor its purpose so I have no comments or reason to post here. But seeing the argumentative nature of the situation here is getting a little tiring.

 

[cbsteh]

Question of curiousity : why are you so argumentative? If Fvel choses to test on his car and not publish, it's his perogative. If he also chooses to point out possible scenarios that you disagree with, that's his choice and opinion. Why are you so dead set on shooting him down everytime he chooses to share his thoughts on the matter?

If you're so interested in knowing, why not try it out on your own car assuming you have sec tint?

I have no interest in a ResQMe nor its purpose so I have no comments or reason to post here. But seeing the argumentative nature of the situation here is getting a little tiring.

I never asked or suggested anyone to perform any test. Originally, I was asking a simple question but got no definitive answers here (understandably so), but I later reported what I was told by a Search & Rescue member. That's all.

But then came someone, swooping down and bragging about the amount of research he did and about the importance of making sure such devices work, but yet he fails to do it himself (but suggests I do it if I value my life or my family's ... yada, yada).

Yes, like you, I too am tired but what to do when someone corrupts your good intention of sharing knowledge?

 

[Izso]

I never asked or suggested anyone to perform any test. Originally, I was asking a simple question but got no definitive answers here (understandably so), but I later reported what I was told by a Search & Rescue member. That's all.

But then came someone, swooping down and bragging about the amount of research he did and about the importance of making sure such devices work, but yet he fails to do it himself (but suggests I do it if I value my life or my family's ... yada, yada).

Yes, like you, I too am tired but what to do when someone corrupts your good intention of sharing knowledge?

I wouldn't call someones opinion or insight on the topic "corrupting of knowledge". At least it's a different perspective.

I only see you challenging him on his opinions and that I do not appreciate. So like you and I are doing in the hantu thread, let's just choose to ignore and continue on with healthy conversation yes?

 

[cbsteh]

I wouldn't call someones opinion or insight on the topic "corrupting of knowledge". At least it's a different perspective.

I only see you challenging him on his opinions and that I do not appreciate. So like you and I are doing in the hantu thread, let's just choose to ignore and continue on with healthy conversation yes?

I didn't write "corrupting of knowledge" but "corrupts your good intention". So get that right, and yes, I'll move on.