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<blockquote data-quote="Izso" data-source="post: 1063648183" data-attributes="member: 2429"><p style="text-align: center">http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6023/6021285628_4951a94a1f.jpg</p> <p style="text-align: center"><em><span style="font-size: 9px">Yes... Hello Kitty really is taking over the world.</span></em></p><p></p><p>I posted a <a href="http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/do-it-yourself-garage/381921-diy-easiest-diy-of-all-how-to-change-engine-oil.html" target="_blank"> DIY guide</a> sometime back on how to change your engine oil and it raised some questions:</p><p></p><p style="text-align: left"><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black">"Whats a good oil to use in my old junk?"</span></span></em></p> <p style="text-align: left"><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black">"Can I use this oil in my car?"</span></span></em></p> <p style="text-align: left"><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black">"My car drinks oil for breakfast, lunch and dinner! Have to top up all the time!"</span></span></em></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black">In some cases the knowledge was based on hearsay and recommendations from their friendly neighborhood mechanic. That's actually not a problem however your regular <em>bawak-pokok</em> mechanic will tell you it works one <em>lah</em> and if it ain't broken, why change/fix it? And there lies the problem.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><strong>How does engine oil work?</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black">Engine oil is the life blood of the engine. Blood in the human body will be replaced by biochemical reactions in the body but engines are stagnant and highly dependent on you maintaining it properly. What happens if you don’t? Sludge and varnish starts to build up, engine bits start to wear faster (piston rings, valves, tappets, etc) and in some extreme cases, you might get a complete engine seizure. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"></span></span></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black"><img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/145/371198640_5ec51e056a.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><em><span style="color: black">This is a pretty extreme case of sludge buildup. (Picture courtesy of </span></em><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/67543892@N00/" target="_blank"><strong><em><span style="color: black">Marcel Marceau</span></em></strong></a><em><span style="color: black">)</span></em></span></span></p><p></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black">So how do you choose engine oil? First you must understand the different viscosities and how it affects your car. Let's take 5W30 as an example. The "5" number indicates how the oil reacts when the engine is cold. the "W30" is how viscous the oil is when heated to 100 degrees celsius. What does that mean?</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000">Simple. </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000">75% (according to the Castrol advert) of all engine damage is at cold engine startup. That's because all the oil is at the bottom of the engine and anything at the top would be somewhat dry. So technically speaking the easier the oil flows to the 'drier' parts of the engine, the lesser the wear on startup. In cold countries such as Japan and anyplace that has winter, it's recommended to use "0" or "5" weighted oils because this oil weight is resistant to freezing at those temperatures. Try using a "10" weight oil in a -5 degrees temperature and you'll have major problems starting up. In Malaysia however, it's not really necessary to use anything less than 10 but there's no harm is wanting to give your precious engine the best your money can afford.</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000">"W30" indicates how the oil flows at 100 degrees celsius. Meaning if you're running a really hot engine (like Turbos or track cars) then you'd very likely exceed the 100 degrees and the oil will either get burnt off due to the heat or breakdown and become useless. This is why you rarely ever see low viscosity racing oils in the market. It's usually 0W50 or single grade oils (like those used in F1 where it has to be heated and intravenously fed into the car). </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000">So <em>generally</em> speaking, if you're burning so much oil you have to top up 2L of oil every month, you're probably using the wrong viscosity for your car. If you want better fuel consumption use a lower viscosity oil like 0W20 but don't expect it to work wonders if you're revving redline all the time. So choose your requirements wisely.</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000">But having said that not all oils are equal. Engine oils have different ways of justifying their <em>price</em>. The category whether SL, SM or the newest SN determines the blend of the oil. The newest oils have lower sulphur content meaning it's better for the environment and your catalytic convertor (as if you have one! Pfft...<img src="https://zerotohundred.com/forums/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/biggrin.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":biggrin:" title="Biggrin :biggrin:" data-shortname=":biggrin:" />). </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000">Then there's the base oil grade, whether group 3, 4 or 5. Most engine oils are made from group 3 base oil which isn't a bad thing. Just that it's not great. Group 4 is better. Group 5 is most of the time ester based and is damn good. The higher the grade the more expensive. </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000">There's also the detergents, viscosity modifiers, additives and so on. Each engine oil brand have their own proprietary blends that makes it unique and different. You just need to find the right one that suites your engine and driving style. For example (from my <strong>personal experience</strong>) Royal Purple has bloody good detergents. It cleans the engine from the moment you start it and is great to clean off sludge, varnish and the lot. Motul Racing made my car very rev happy. Pennzoil gave me pretty good FC, etc.</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000">Lastly there's one very important factor is the OCI otherwise known as the <strong>oil change interval</strong>. This really depends on the type of oil you buy and its additives. Mineral oils generally should be changed every 3000km, semi-synthetics about 6000km to 7000km, fully synthetics 10,000km to 12,000km. But this isn't entirely true for all oils. My personal experience with Royal Purple was that it needed changing after 8000km even though it's a fully synthetic oil. How did I know I needed a change? The car felt sluggish, fuel consumption was bad and a quick check on the dipstick showed the oil was almost honey-like and black in colour. Not very scientific but good enough for me. </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><strong>Can you use fully synthetics after years of using mineral oil? </strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000">Sure. Just make sure you don't have sludge lodged here and there. The main reason why people claim that fully synthetic oils causes leaks is because the sludge left behind from their previous oils (minerals or semi) are wedged in oil seals and gaskets blocking those 'holes' that would have originally caused a leak. Since fully synthetic oils have extremely good detergents, they'll clean out the sludge revealing the leaks in the seals and gaskets. So yes you can use fully synthetics. Just be prepared to fix leaks if you have any which is a good thing! Sludge buildup is not! </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><strong>Can I use brand XXX in my car?</strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000">Why not? If it's the right viscousity then by all means use it. More important question is <em>"can I <strong>afford</strong> to use this oil?"</em>. Live by your means and use the oil that works for your car and your wallet. No point going the Ester oil path if you can't afford to pay for the oil. Especially after you get addicted to how well it works. <img src="https://zerotohundred.com/forums/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/biggrin.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":biggrin:" title="Biggrin :biggrin:" data-shortname=":biggrin:" /></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><strong>Can I use diesel engine oil in my car?</strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000">There is a lot of debate on this. Diesels generally are not high revving cars but they produce tremendous amounts of low-end torque so in most cases you won't find thin viscosity oils for diesels. In most cases it's 15W40 so can you use this on a fuel injected / carbureted engine? Yeah sure. If you don't mind the super thick viscosity which equates to higher wear and tear to your engine internals if it's not the right weight for your car. As long as it's oil, it'll work. Try using palm based cooking oil, it'll run too! Just a matter of <strong>how well it runs</strong> and its long term effects.</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000">Also, it's always good to check your manufacturers manual on what viscosity to use. Manufacturers know what they're doing when they say use <em>this</em> viscosity or <em>that</em> viscosity. Because if anything went wrong with your car you could sue the pants off the manufacturer if it resulted in high repair costs. Please note though, every country's manufacturer manual is <u>different</u>. In Japan the recommended viscosity for the K3VE engine is 0W20. In Malaysia it's 5W30. The OCI for BMW Europe is 20,000km. In Malaysia it's no more than 10,000km (fully synthetic BMW oils). </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000">Lastly there's two authoritative boards that governs engine oils. API and ACEA, both of which have websites : </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000">API : <a href="http://www.api.org/" target="_blank">Welcome To The API Website</a></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left">ACEA : <a href="http://www.acea.be/" target="_blank">ACEA - European Automobile Manufacturers' Association</a></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000">Why is this important? Because if an oil is not certified by either (or both) of these two governing bodies, then the oil manufacturer can claim whatever they want and it's their word against yours. If certified it means the oil really does perform as what the manufacturer claims. So look out the API / ACEA official logo on the oil packaging and remember : "Exceeds API standards" is just a claim until verified by API themselves. </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000">Happy shopping for engine oil! </span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Izso, post: 1063648183, member: 2429"] [CENTER]http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6023/6021285628_4951a94a1f.jpg [i][SIZE="1"]Yes... Hello Kitty really is taking over the world.[/SIZE][/i][/CENTER] I posted a [URL="http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/do-it-yourself-garage/381921-diy-easiest-diy-of-all-how-to-change-engine-oil.html"] DIY guide[/URL] sometime back on how to change your engine oil and it raised some questions: [LEFT][I][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black]"Whats a good oil to use in my old junk?" "Can I use this oil in my car?" "My car drinks oil for breakfast, lunch and dinner! Have to top up all the time!"[/COLOR][/FONT][/I] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=black]In some cases the knowledge was based on hearsay and recommendations from their friendly neighborhood mechanic. That's actually not a problem however your regular [I]bawak-pokok[/I] mechanic will tell you it works one [I]lah[/I] and if it ain't broken, why change/fix it? And there lies the problem.[/COLOR][/FONT][/LEFT] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][B]How does engine oil work?[/B] Engine oil is the life blood of the engine. Blood in the human body will be replaced by biochemical reactions in the body but engines are stagnant and highly dependent on you maintaining it properly. What happens if you don’t? Sludge and varnish starts to build up, engine bits start to wear faster (piston rings, valves, tappets, etc) and in some extreme cases, you might get a complete engine seizure. [/COLOR][/FONT] [CENTER][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black][IMG]http://farm1.static.flickr.com/145/371198640_5ec51e056a.jpg[/IMG][/COLOR] [SIZE=1][I][COLOR=black]This is a pretty extreme case of sludge buildup. (Picture courtesy of [/COLOR][/I][URL="http://www.flickr.com/photos/67543892@N00/"][B][I][COLOR=black]Marcel Marceau[/COLOR][/I][/B][/URL][I][COLOR=black])[/COLOR][/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/CENTER] [LEFT][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black]So how do you choose engine oil? First you must understand the different viscosities and how it affects your car. Let's take 5W30 as an example. The "5" number indicates how the oil reacts when the engine is cold. the "W30" is how viscous the oil is when heated to 100 degrees celsius. What does that mean?[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]Simple. 75% (according to the Castrol advert) of all engine damage is at cold engine startup. That's because all the oil is at the bottom of the engine and anything at the top would be somewhat dry. So technically speaking the easier the oil flows to the 'drier' parts of the engine, the lesser the wear on startup. In cold countries such as Japan and anyplace that has winter, it's recommended to use "0" or "5" weighted oils because this oil weight is resistant to freezing at those temperatures. Try using a "10" weight oil in a -5 degrees temperature and you'll have major problems starting up. In Malaysia however, it's not really necessary to use anything less than 10 but there's no harm is wanting to give your precious engine the best your money can afford. "W30" indicates how the oil flows at 100 degrees celsius. Meaning if you're running a really hot engine (like Turbos or track cars) then you'd very likely exceed the 100 degrees and the oil will either get burnt off due to the heat or breakdown and become useless. This is why you rarely ever see low viscosity racing oils in the market. It's usually 0W50 or single grade oils (like those used in F1 where it has to be heated and intravenously fed into the car). So [I]generally[/I] speaking, if you're burning so much oil you have to top up 2L of oil every month, you're probably using the wrong viscosity for your car. If you want better fuel consumption use a lower viscosity oil like 0W20 but don't expect it to work wonders if you're revving redline all the time. So choose your requirements wisely. But having said that not all oils are equal. Engine oils have different ways of justifying their [I]price[/I]. The category whether SL, SM or the newest SN determines the blend of the oil. The newest oils have lower sulphur content meaning it's better for the environment and your catalytic convertor (as if you have one! Pfft...:biggrin:). Then there's the base oil grade, whether group 3, 4 or 5. Most engine oils are made from group 3 base oil which isn't a bad thing. Just that it's not great. Group 4 is better. Group 5 is most of the time ester based and is damn good. The higher the grade the more expensive. There's also the detergents, viscosity modifiers, additives and so on. Each engine oil brand have their own proprietary blends that makes it unique and different. You just need to find the right one that suites your engine and driving style. For example (from my [B]personal experience[/B]) Royal Purple has bloody good detergents. It cleans the engine from the moment you start it and is great to clean off sludge, varnish and the lot. Motul Racing made my car very rev happy. Pennzoil gave me pretty good FC, etc. Lastly there's one very important factor is the OCI otherwise known as the [B]oil change interval[/B]. This really depends on the type of oil you buy and its additives. Mineral oils generally should be changed every 3000km, semi-synthetics about 6000km to 7000km, fully synthetics 10,000km to 12,000km. But this isn't entirely true for all oils. My personal experience with Royal Purple was that it needed changing after 8000km even though it's a fully synthetic oil. How did I know I needed a change? The car felt sluggish, fuel consumption was bad and a quick check on the dipstick showed the oil was almost honey-like and black in colour. Not very scientific but good enough for me. [B]Can you use fully synthetics after years of using mineral oil? [/B] Sure. Just make sure you don't have sludge lodged here and there. The main reason why people claim that fully synthetic oils causes leaks is because the sludge left behind from their previous oils (minerals or semi) are wedged in oil seals and gaskets blocking those 'holes' that would have originally caused a leak. Since fully synthetic oils have extremely good detergents, they'll clean out the sludge revealing the leaks in the seals and gaskets. So yes you can use fully synthetics. Just be prepared to fix leaks if you have any which is a good thing! Sludge buildup is not! [B]Can I use brand XXX in my car?[/B] Why not? If it's the right viscousity then by all means use it. More important question is [I]"can I [B]afford[/B] to use this oil?"[/I]. Live by your means and use the oil that works for your car and your wallet. No point going the Ester oil path if you can't afford to pay for the oil. Especially after you get addicted to how well it works. :biggrin: [B]Can I use diesel engine oil in my car?[/B] There is a lot of debate on this. Diesels generally are not high revving cars but they produce tremendous amounts of low-end torque so in most cases you won't find thin viscosity oils for diesels. In most cases it's 15W40 so can you use this on a fuel injected / carbureted engine? Yeah sure. If you don't mind the super thick viscosity which equates to higher wear and tear to your engine internals if it's not the right weight for your car. As long as it's oil, it'll work. Try using palm based cooking oil, it'll run too! Just a matter of [B]how well it runs[/B] and its long term effects. Also, it's always good to check your manufacturers manual on what viscosity to use. Manufacturers know what they're doing when they say use [I]this[/I] viscosity or [I]that[/I] viscosity. Because if anything went wrong with your car you could sue the pants off the manufacturer if it resulted in high repair costs. Please note though, every country's manufacturer manual is [U]different[/U]. In Japan the recommended viscosity for the K3VE engine is 0W20. In Malaysia it's 5W30. The OCI for BMW Europe is 20,000km. In Malaysia it's no more than 10,000km (fully synthetic BMW oils). Lastly there's two authoritative boards that governs engine oils. API and ACEA, both of which have websites : API : [URL="http://www.api.org/"]Welcome To The API Website[/URL][/COLOR][/FONT] ACEA : [URL="http://www.acea.be/"]ACEA - European Automobile Manufacturers' Association[/URL] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=#000000]Why is this important? Because if an oil is not certified by either (or both) of these two governing bodies, then the oil manufacturer can claim whatever they want and it's their word against yours. If certified it means the oil really does perform as what the manufacturer claims. So look out the API / ACEA official logo on the oil packaging and remember : "Exceeds API standards" is just a claim until verified by API themselves. Happy shopping for engine oil! [/COLOR][/FONT][/LEFT] [/QUOTE]
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