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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shiroitenshi" data-source="post: 2624592" data-attributes="member: 27518">If you just want AFR, then the LC-1 kit, it's small and cheap (what jacks up the price is that expensive XD16 meter) You won't get the bulky LM-1 unit (which has internal memory) and you don't have the auxbox port, but you can daisy chain devices, so that's not a big minus. But the LC-1 kit by itself is not for tuning, it's only so you know that you're not running lean (maybe injector clogs/fails, valves leak, etc. etc.) sort of a monitoring system.It doesn't seem to have a loggable RPM input that I know of by itself. Maybe if you daisy chain it with an auxbox(a.k.a. LMA-3) you'd have it.If you want complete datalog up to the point you know how much the injectors are putting out, est. intake air volume, etc. etc. etc. (actually too many features to list, because I can add third party sensors and datalog that, so it's expandability is limitless in terms of types of sensor it can use) then go for LM-1/LC-1 with the Auxbox, a bit expensive, and unless you are willing to learn the technical aspects of 5 volt linear and non linear sensors.. I think this is maybe not for you. If you're driving honda EG, you have your work cut out for you because I already have a writeup for it.If you have OBD-2, you're out of luck, I don't really like OBD-2 due to it's apparent lack of tunability (unless you replace it with a standalone). Some diagnostics kit will give features like the LM-1 and auxbox, but it's limited to sensors that are already in the car (no external sensor inputs)I'll probably get around to OBDII someday, but as long as I am using OBDI, I'll play with OBDI more than OBD2.Innovate's MTS is designed so you can install it in any kind of car though, because it's generic, but that's where the problem lies. There's no PNP harness, so I had to fabricate my own, and so should you, because if you butcher the original harness, it'd be a headache to track down wiring issues when it happens.[ATTACH=full]634637[/ATTACH]Trust me, I dug through enough wire harnesses to know. it's not easy probing them either, had to make some custom probes to fit.PLX devices also makes something like Innovate (some of their stuff are nicer!), but the reason innovate rules the roost is because it's kept basic, and applications for the sensors are only limited by your imagination and the sensors you can wire in.Depending on your needs, go for one or the other. RPM vs AFR is a required info for on-the-road tuning accuracy, so that's something you should note. If you have hondata, then all you need is the LC-1 with one analog output wired to D14 on OBDI ecu for rpm vs. AFR readout/datalog. Crome also I think, but I'm not too sure about crome.The only advantage of having auxbox/LM-1 is that you can look at what kind of real time changes piggybacks do, like VAFC, E-manage, etc. etc. where everything is an 'estimation' or a percentage, and the actual injector duty/duration and ignition isn't shown.Well, have fun.. finding out how your engine works and tuning it yourself is immensely fun. :P</blockquote>

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