Turbo Vs Vtec

[xtremeleo]

put me in a race? lol

deacon, i tot dis thread is just a waste of ur time.. and yet, i still see ur post. y aa..?

the thing is, i agree dat wit everything dat u say, and i wudnt create such a topic, but if sumone had alredi start a discussion on it, whattheheck rite.. i dont have anything much better to do anyway, mite as well give sum of my opinions out. its like, if u give out ur opinion, everybody has to listen, and nuthing else matters. if its like dat, okie ler den.. i'll let myself outta dis so-called "moronic" discussion. i need a break anyway, see ya:sleep:

ps : what did i win sao? nuthing rite? lol

 

[D-IV]

Reading a the pages before, there were already strong points there which would end the topic discussion. But IMO, just keep the thread alive with all the opinions. Atleast I could come back for some laughs when reading it. It keeps on getting funny when some of the info's are misleading.

And i do agree to keep the modified engine topics outta this. C'mon, 200hp b-series EG? There's no such stock standard for this at all. Put all that amount of money to get the b-series to 200hp and put the same amount of money onto a turbocharged engine and see how much it can produce. Then the discussion becomes even endless ahhaha....

I don't think Gran Motoring Show's should put honda's except the NSX in the turbo categories to be evaluated for track times. That's why the NA VTEC vs. TURBO discussion remains from the day it started.

 

[deacon]

I am just surprised as hell that the mods on this forum allow threads like this to recreated again and again. The debate between variable valve timing engines vs turbo engines has been a long one. From people looking to purchase a mivec motor instead of a gsr motor to whether or not NA really is cheaper vs turbos, bla bla bla bla.

This thread has already rubbed some people the wrong way so why continue. I just hope no one takes up any grudge matches and starts something that could end terribly. What do we stand to gain to reading people type "I vote vtec" or "I vote turbo"? Are we electing an engine configuration for president?

And by the way getting a B series to produce 200hp isn't hard, just buy a B18CR engine, it's around 198bhp not far from 200.

I'm posting mostly 'cos i am bored at work and i thought i'd be a bitch and read the posts after mine.

 

[khencana]

Yup! Ur right...change Ur turbo bro...if got extra money get a ball bearing turbo...:top:

plus NA is all bout' Aceleration, that why they said NA "kaki kena berat" coz U will put the pedal to the metal...turbo not like that...that why turbo is in the force induction categories, no need to pedal to the metal, "kaki kena ringan ar" coz' the power is there, unless turbo lag...that why turbo rev limit are short compare to NA, sori no offence, what U feel clanzkiller is not a total G-Force, it a high octane of heart pumping coz' hearing the vtec roar & seeing the RPM climbing fast...trust me...if U got money mod ur cars a bit more or try to test drive a really2 powerful turbo cars...ur will locked to the bucket...he...he...

i very very agree with the bold and underlined statement. juz sold my EK b18gsr with a lil bit mods1 month ago, after juz 6 month i owned it. rasa x puas dlm erti kata yg digembargemburkan (no offence). vtec mmg power, jika dibandingkan dgn NA yg lain.x di nafikan, mmg power. tp dgn tubo, babai....

now im searching 4 another car. duit cash dah ada, tp konfius nk pakai turbo atau vtec. rasa mcm nk rasa vtec balik. x sepower turbo, tp 'meriangkan'... hehheehhe... (sory 4 my broken english)

 

[Dougster]

For the sake of comparing engine performance... these stats on paper say it all...
Don't argue about fuel economy, which one goes round a track faster etc coz then its not engine vs engine... it would be car type vs car type...

K20A (from Civic Type R)Displacement: 2.0L
220 HP
152 lb/ft of torque

F22C(from Honda S2000)
Displacement: 2.2L
est 240hp
162 lb/ft of torque

4G63T (newer Evo's without MIVEC)
Displacement: 2.0Lcc
around 276 HP
284 lb/ft of torque

4G63T (Evo 1,2,3)
Displacement: 2.0L
around 244 hp
228 lb/ft of torque

13B - MSP from Mazda RX8
Displacement: 1.3L
around 230 hp
163 lb/ft of torque
*unfortunately classified as 1.5x its stated cc. Just here for comparison...lol..

I am not in any way saying that the VTEC is not a good engine... i love the Honda S2000!

Unfortunately i have witnessed 1.3 turbo's (stock form), beating B16B's, and matching B18B's..

Xtremeleo... im all with u on this one :)

Bump:

I am just surprised as hell that the mods on this forum allow threads like this to recreated again and again. The debate between variable valve timing engines vs turbo engines has been a long one. From people looking to purchase a mivec motor instead of a gsr motor to whether or not NA really is cheaper vs turbos, bla bla bla bla.

This thread has already rubbed some people the wrong way so why continue. I just hope no one takes up any grudge matches and starts something that could end terribly. What do we stand to gain to reading people type "I vote vtec" or "I vote turbo"? Are we electing an engine configuration for president?

And by the way getting a B series to produce 200hp isn't hard, just buy a B18CR engine, it's around 198bhp not far from 200.

I'm posting mostly 'cos i am bored at work and i thought i'd be a bitch and read the posts after mine.

Dude cmon..mods shouldnt close this thread down... It's a healthy debate!
Just dont go challenging each other to illegal races to prove something..

 

[ferio94eg9]

i own a Civic EG9.....really enjoy the ride, engine performance + realiability, easy to maintain. however, maybe my future car will be a Forced Induction (Turbo) vehicle with rear wheel drive. engine with great power should comes with great handling.

Bump:

i very very agree with the bold and underlined statement. juz sold my EK b18gsr with a lil bit mods1 month ago, after juz 6 month i owned it. rasa x puas dlm erti kata yg digembargemburkan (no offence). vtec mmg power, jika dibandingkan dgn NA yg lain.x di nafikan, mmg power. tp dgn tubo, babai....

now im searching 4 another car. duit cash dah ada, tp konfius nk pakai turbo atau vtec. rasa mcm nk rasa vtec balik. x sepower turbo, tp 'meriangkan'... hehheehhe... (sory 4 my broken english)

before u bought the ek b18gsr, what type of car did you own before or familiar with the ride?

 

[deacon]

The 13B Renesis or FD3S engine are both classified in the 2.5L V6 category when compared with other engines - a point worth noting.

I'm just saying some small minded person is going to come on this thread read 3 pages and decide that all of us are gay for liking one or the other. It will be the advent of a flame session where tempers will flare.

 

[Trinityblood]

:sleep:erm........better get some sleep and woke up go work soon buy some stuf to mod my
turbo...or end up being smoke by vtec.......vtec fast ma.....

 

[SAO 6418]

put me in a race? lol

deacon, i tot dis thread is just a waste of ur time.. and yet, i still see ur post. y aa..?

the thing is, i agree dat wit everything dat u say, and i wudnt create such a topic, but if sumone had alredi start a discussion on it, whattheheck rite.. i dont have anything much better to do anyway, mite as well give sum of my opinions out. its like, if u give out ur opinion, everybody has to listen, and nuthing else matters. if its like dat, okie ler den.. i'll let myself outta dis so-called "moronic" discussion. i need a break anyway, see ya:sleep:

ps : what did i win sao? nuthing rite? lol

Hello is me again....:wavey:
Tis time,i have to agree wif ur statement xtremeleo. Aiya... u didin win n i didin loss & vise versa, juz to end out the fiery conversation.... who win juz not my business. Race orr.... i'm affraid i have to use my stock sr20det loh... sohc vtec sell liao.... Joking only lah....

Actually it cannot deny tat turbo is fast but vtec also not slow....
Personnally if wan fast car then turbo, if wan those garang high revving scream then go vtec.
Tat's why in the 1st place i oledi mention muz compare apple to apple e.g turbo vs turbo or supercharge, n/a vs n/a but since compararison is d other way round then have to follow loh...

Btw, actually my reply mainly is to counter back those reply which i feel maybe not accurate. Example: 200hp b-series, some said is highly mod lah these n tat but for those who know they will clarify it. Not always many ppl said true then the things true.....

xtremeleo,
juz wanna clarify something, if not mistaken engine efficiency is depend on fuel and compression ratio, the higher the CR then d higher engine efficiency will be. Turbo is better in-term of thermal efficiency under full load. Pls advise.....

Dougster
may i know what 1.3 stock turbo car or engine (dun take 13B rotary) tat can beat B16B?
B18B is a non-vtec DOHC (mainly US or europe market) which less powerful than b16a...
Actually 13B is consider 2600cc (1300cc x 2 = 2600cc) bcoz of 2 rotor chamber

 

[D-IV]

Deacon,

SAO 6418 was referring to a B-series 200hp EG which IMO doesn't exist. Now putting in a ~196hp B18CR engine into that EG would mean a different thing coz i was referring to stock standards trim. And any deviation from stock standard trim is NOT STANDARD to me.

Oh yeah, before people go hating me. I'm a Honda lover and a VTEC owner. I'm not biased here because I know the facts and accept reality here. Yes some honda can tapau turbo cars lah... itu lah ... ini lah.... but remember, other variables can take place too.

Btw, i never thought that 13B engines is = (1,300cc x 2) = 2.6 liters. They have 2 rotor chambers? I thought they have single chambers for intake stroke, compression stroke, power stroke and exhaust stroke?

 

[jeheyr]

:sleep:erm........better get some sleep and woke up go work soon buy some stuf to mod my
turbo...or end up being smoke by vtec.. vtec fast ma...

turbo also fast ma...
im never catch up any turbo car wth my eg...

 

[deacon]

Deacon,

SAO 6418 was referring to a B-series 200hp EG which IMO doesn't exist. Now putting in a ~196hp B18CR engine into that EG would mean a different thing coz i was referring to stock standards trim. And any deviation from stock standard trim is NOT STANDARD to me.

Oh yeah, before people go hating me. I'm a Honda lover and a VTEC owner. I'm not biased here because I know the facts and accept reality here. Yes some honda can tapau turbo cars lah... itu lah ... ini lah.... but remember, other variables can take place too.

Btw, i never thought that 13B engines is = (1,300cc x 2) = 2.6 liters. They have 2 rotor chambers? I thought they have single chambers for intake stroke, compression stroke, power stroke and exhaust stroke?

Right my bad failed to read the stock portion.

13B rotary engines are only 654cc x 2. But when compared in terms of performance they are considered in the inline 6 and V6 category.

For example, when the Renesis engine was released it won best engine of the year in the 2.5 V6 category stipulated by the commission that grades and awards engines.

I believe that the reason is based on fuel consumption not necessarily based on CC only.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_Wankel_engine

Here is the link to the article. It won best international engine for displacement category 2.6L ranging from 2.5 to 3L engines.

 

[SAO 6418]

wah, start reply saja oledi ppl 'tiong' me liao... not good woh like tis...

Stock wira got vr4 punya meh

Some mistake regarding d rotary displacement... but have a look wat i found

http://www.myrotarycar.com/portal/forum/forum_posts.asp?tid=16

Aii better shut my mouth liao.... keke Yahoooo

 

[boyzone]

Actually, be fair, we need to standard $$$ of mod as well.
Try to make everything standard.
Like PnP done on both engine, etc..

Bump: Actually, be fair, we need to standard $$$ of mod as well.
Try to make everything standard.
Like PnP done on both engine, etc..

 

[Dougster]

The 13B Renesis or FD3S engine are both classified in the 2.5L V6 category when compared with other engines - a point worth noting.

I'm just saying some small minded person is going to come on this thread read 3 pages and decide that all of us are gay for liking one or the other. It will be the advent of a flame session where tempers will flare.

Yea dude.. i stated that the 13B Renesis is classified as 1.5x it's actual CC... a point already noted :)

If that small minded person comes along then he should be ignored :)

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Right my bad failed to read the stock portion.

13B rotary engines are only 654cc x 2. But when compared in terms of performance they are considered in the inline 6 and V6 category.

For example, when the Renesis engine was released it won best engine of the year in the 2.5 V6 category stipulated by the commission that grades and awards engines.

I believe that the reason is based on fuel consumption not necessarily based on CC only.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_Wankel_engine

Here is the link to the article. It won best international engine for displacement category 2.6L ranging from 2.5 to 3L engines.

Yup yup... glorious engine it is..

 

[deacon]

K i missed that in your earlier post my bad.. haven't been able to read properly lately

 

[veilsideboyz]

any turbo car or v tec car here ???!!
lets challenge up !! End story !!
cheerss !!

 

[azameel]

i can tell u
it will never end
both na and turbo has its pros and cons

 

[deacon]

any turbo car or v tec car here ???!!
lets challenge up !! End story !!
cheerss !!

This is exactly what i meant by small minded people.

 

[Trinityblood]

turbo also fast ma...
im never catch up any turbo car wth my eg...

bro may be u didnt reach the red line some goes to me boosting 0.6bar oni...