Kelisa Gathering

Oh!!yaya...
my one is new car under warranty...
but my hand too itchy aledi...
now spoilt the warranty liao....
anyone can help me find a buyer who wants the kelisa stock spring and how much can sell?
coz im juz changed to heavy duty lowered spring...
but mine is 14"rim....
so still same height wif 13"rim...
now quite steady while having corner...
next month will adding front 4 point,rear upper strut and rear anti roll bar...
any suggestion about tat?
and anyone know how much to change a bigger front brake disk for kelisa?and does it effect a lot?
by the way...wat is the function of the fender bar?

not sure about fender bar but i know it's part of the whole handling system which is more or less related to anti-roll function.

A sway bar (also stabilizer bar, anti-sway bar, roll bar, or anti-roll bar, ARB) is an automobile suspension device. It connects opposite (left/right) wheels together through short lever arms linked by a torsion spring. A sway bar increases the suspension's roll stiffness -- its resistance to roll in turns, independent of its spring rate in the vertical direction.

In a turn, the sprung mass of the vehicle's body rotates around its roll axis. The roll axis is a line that joins the front and rear roll centers (SAEJ670e). If the vertical distance between the roll axis and the center of gravity is not zero, a torque (roll moment) equal to the centrifugal force times the distance between the center of gravity and the roll axis will be exerted on the sprung mass, causing the body to lean towards the outside of the turn. This force is called the roll couple. One effect of body (frame) lean, for typical suspension geometry, is positive camber of the wheels on the outside of the turn and negative on the inside, which reduces their cornering grip (especially with cross ply tires).

Roll couple is resisted by the suspension's roll stiffness, which is a function of the spring rate of the vehicle's springs and of the anti-roll bars, if any. The use of anti-roll bars allows designers to reduce body lean without making the suspension's springs stiffer in the vertical plane, which allows improved body control with less compromise of ride quality.

The spring rate of an anti-roll bar is based on the fourth power of the torsion bar's diameter, the stiffness of the material, the inverse of the length of the lever arms (i.e., the shorter the lever arm, the stiffer the bar), the geometry of the mounting points, and the rigidity of the bar's mounting points. Some anti-roll bars, particularly those intended for use in auto racing, are adjustable, allowing their stiffness to be altered by increasing or reducing the length of the lever arms. This permits the roll stiffness to be tuned for different situations without replacing the entire bar.

Anti roll bars provide 2 main functions:

The first is the reduction of body lean. The reduction of body lean is dependent on the total roll stiffness of the vehicle. Increasing the total roll stiffness of a vehicle does not change the steady state total load (weight) transfer from the inside wheels to the outside wheels, it only reduces body lean. The total lateral load transfer is determined by the CG height and track width.

The other function of anti roll bars is to tune the high g / limit understeer behavior of the vehicle. The limit understeer behavior is tuned by changing the proportion of the total roll stiffness that comes from the front and rear axles. Increasing the proportion of roll stiffness at the front will increase the proportion of the total weight transfer that the front axle reacts and decrease the proportion that the rear axle reacts. This will cause the outer front wheel to run at a higher slip angle, and the outer rear wheel to run at a lower slip angle, which is an understeer effect. Increasing the proportion of roll stiffness at the rear axle will have the opposite effect and decrease understeer.

Drawbacks

Because an anti-roll bar connects wheels on the opposite sides of the vehicle together, the bar will transmit the force of one-wheel bumps to the opposite wheel. On rough or broken pavement, anti-roll bars can produce jarring, side-to-side body motions (a "waddling" sensation), which increase in severity with the diameter and stiffness of the sway bars. Excessive roll stiffness, typically achieved by configuring an anti-roll bar too aggressively, will cause the inside wheels to lift off the ground during very hard cornering. This, of course, is only possible if the regular spring rate actually allows the outside wheels to handle the much increased load. This can be used to advantage, in fact many front wheel drive production cars will lift a wheel when cornering hard, in order to overload the other wheel on the axle, so providing limit understeer.

Some high-priced cars, such as the Mercedes S-class and BMW 7-series, have begun to use "active" anti-roll bars that can be connected or disconnected automatically by a suspension-control computer, reducing body lean in turns while improving rough-road ride quality.
 
Suspension Tuning
Anti-Roll Bars


By providing a link between the left and right side suspension, an anti-roll bar (AKA sway bar) keeps the left and right side of the suspension at nearly the same level vertically, decreasing body roll. Larger diameter sway bars make the suspension stiffer and transfer more weight to the end of the car where they are installed. If the car is understeering, you can increase rear sway bar diameter or decrease front sway bar diameter to restore balance. To correct oversteer with sway bars, it is necessary to install either a smaller rear bar or a larger front bar. Most sway bars have adjustable links that can be used to effectively increase or decrease the stiffness of the sway bar without buying a new one.

Anti-roll bars should be chosen to match your springs. If you are planning on installing stiff springs, there is no need for a large diameter sway bar. The combination of stiff springs and small sway bars is enough to control body roll. Large diameter sway bars are necessary if you will be using relatively soft springs. This is a popular configuration since the ride is not overly harsh, but the suspension is still stiff and body roll is reduced due to the sway bars.

Soft springs with large sway bars and stiff springs with small sway bars accomplish virtually the same goal of providing a stable suspension and reducing excessive weight transfer. A stiff springs/small sway bars setup is generally better than soft springs/large sway bars because stiff springs reduce front-to-back weight transfer. With soft springs, side-to-side weight transfer is controlled by the sway bars, but there is a fair amount of front-to-back weight transfer due to the soft springs. In other words, using soft springs can result in brake dive and acceleration squat, which are detrimental to overall handling.
 
u can use MYVI disc brake for ur kelisa..change Pro RS braided hose comfirm got hte grip...

change ur abs to adjustable like HWL or TITAN or TIEN...

Don't use 4 point bar..use two point enough....


how much u wan to sell ur spring? i mean the rear spring?
 
u can use MYVI disc brake for ur kelisa..change Pro RS braided hose comfirm got hte grip...

change ur abs to adjustable like HWL or TITAN or TIEN...

Don't use 4 point bar..use two point enough....


how much u wan to sell ur spring? i mean the rear spring?

i wanna sell the front n rear spring at about 100,is it too high?chop shop also selling 140 woh...

i think i wouldn't change to adjustable lah...too bumpy aledi...driving at the mountain road will buang out...heavy duty is very enough for me...hehe

MYVI brake disk is bigger than stock,did i need to change the knuckle to fit in a bigger caliper also?how much can finish it leh?

y dun use 4 point? is it too hard aledi or easy to spoilt the car chasis?
 
thanks for all of the sifus ah...
but i have changed to heavy duty lowered spring aledi...
very satisfy wif the stiffness of it...
when i take corner with a speed that cause the tire shout already i still can feel im still safe while entering the coner with the speed...
so i still need to install the anti roll bar for it?
if need to install then i need to change to large or small diameter anti roll?
im using it to drive at mountain road one...
so can't too bumpy also...i scare later my tires out of contact wif the road...hehe(so i juz change to heavy duty but not sport spring or adjustable)

about the fender bar...i really can't figure it out how is the things work... its juz sticking at the inner fender but not contact to the other side like the 2 point and 4 point struct bar....

by the way...wat is the difference of the 4 point and 2 point? except the look of it...hehe
 
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thanks for all of the sifus ah...
but i have changed to heavy duty lowered spring aledi...
very satisfy wif the stiffness of it...
when i take corner with a speed that cause the tire shout already i still can feel im still safe while entering the coner with the speed...
so i still need to install the anti roll bar for it?
if need to install then i need to change to large or small diameter anti roll?
im using it to drive at mountain road one...
so can't too bumpy also...i scare later my tires out of contact wif the road...hehe(so i juz change to heavy duty but not sport spring or adjustable)

about the fender bar...i really can't figure it out how is the things work... its juz sticking at the inner fender but not contact to the other side like the 2 point and 4 point struct bar....

by the way...wat is the difference of the 4 point and 2 point? except the look of it...hehe
taikor..u say u drive mountain road...so the best iis get the abs change and put some bar like Rear anti roll bar, fender bar and 2 point bar in the engine compartment...
that should be ok and get a better quality tyre like...toyo, AD07, michellin or bridgestone...

get rid of the simex, silverstone..both tyre not that good for us..but only good for butthead taikor
 
The function of the H bar is the same as the rear anti roll bar….
That what I know lar…like BOB car…at the bottom of the engine there is another bar that our local kelisa don’t have..it comes with the car….our car we don’t have it that y the come out with the H bar for our car…
 
thanks for all of the sifus ah...
but i have changed to heavy duty lowered spring aledi...
very satisfy wif the stiffness of it...
when i take corner with a speed that cause the tire shout already i still can feel im still safe while entering the coner with the speed...
so i still need to install the anti roll bar for it?
if need to install then i need to change to large or small diameter anti roll?
im using it to drive at mountain road one...
so can't too bumpy also...i scare later my tires out of contact wif the road...hehe(so i juz change to heavy duty but not sport spring or adjustable)

about the fender bar...i really can't figure it out how is the things work... its juz sticking at the inner fender but not contact to the other side like the 2 point and 4 point struct bar....

by the way...wat is the difference of the 4 point and 2 point? except the look of it...hehe

define heavy duty spring???... lowering spring, sport spring is all the same spring lar..

if u interested...buy all the bars that you can get your hands on and fit them onto your car... more money spend = more confidence gained : P

u want to know about how fender bar works... go to ULTRA RACING Chassis Strengthening Technology

i juz been reminded by ur previous reply... maybe i'll save my money to buy sway bar....but i'm not sure is it available for the frony side?

sway bar is anti roll bar lor... it is what the westerners like to call it... and no it is not available for your car... and it will not be out.. reason.. cos you already have it... no point selling a product that people already have...

the H bar is four point....put underneath the car engine...

that is undercarriage bar...get scratched all the time if you have a lowered ride...
 
kelisa6009[/QUOTE said:
thanks for all ur answer woh....
actually where can get the undernearth 4 point?how much is it?
is it called front lower arm?
i think before to use all the bar b4...
but will spoilt the flexibility, unless i use zenden alloy made bar loh... then not cheap to buy all aledi...
by the way....i found a low end power super charger selling at the puchong at about 450... the price is so attractive leh....
 

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