AE86 or Rx-7FC
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rollakid,
i dont think ur calculation is correct. the power shouldn't be in 1 cycle only. power peak in 6k++ rpm maybe. so it's more than a cycle
i dont think ur calculation is correct. the power shouldn't be in 1 cycle only. power peak in 6k++ rpm maybe. so it's more than a cycle
well just a put a super touring engine(jap spec) and lsd and this car is unbeaten in hill side racing ! power 2 toyota
AE86 RULE!
Who started this threat anyway? trouble maker. very racist this thread!. must delete!
if go on any longer, will make ppl feel angry and offended.
AE 86 RULE!
ahahhahaha..:P
Who started this threat anyway? trouble maker. very racist this thread!. must delete!
if go on any longer, will make ppl feel angry and offended.
AE 86 RULE!
ahahhahaha..:P
I wonder is there really a title that mentioned 86 as the king of car for drift??.....
just that someone glorifies it; it doesn't make the 86 as the king of drift...right?!...
there's still many old skoll toyotas; other japanese makes....even american makes or even european cars.....
so why the title "King of drift"?
Keiichi Tsuchiya is crowned King of drift...that's a fact! but not the car!.....if yes; pls show me an article that got everyone's agreements that 86 are the king of cars for drift.
with supporting logical explaination you can glorify the car. If you said it's because it's oldskool but still powerful thus u prefer the car...than I agree with you. But dun ever mentioned or put down a statement such as "king of drift". That still leaves a lot to debate...
Sorry for being harsh....but pls grow up!
just that someone glorifies it; it doesn't make the 86 as the king of drift...right?!...
there's still many old skoll toyotas; other japanese makes....even american makes or even european cars.....
so why the title "King of drift"?
Keiichi Tsuchiya is crowned King of drift...that's a fact! but not the car!.....if yes; pls show me an article that got everyone's agreements that 86 are the king of cars for drift.
with supporting logical explaination you can glorify the car. If you said it's because it's oldskool but still powerful thus u prefer the car...than I agree with you. But dun ever mentioned or put down a statement such as "king of drift". That still leaves a lot to debate...
Sorry for being harsh....but pls grow up!
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135ps vs 205ps - Standard
160-215ps vs 280-466ps - Modified (driveable on road)
I think both cars are equally desirable in their respective ways. As for spares...both are easily available and cheap if you know where to look. For me...I think being able to drive a car without pistons is special. Trust me...if you've ever driven a rotary you will know what i mean when i say Rotary's Rock. Smooth, revvy and it gives out a distinctive sound only rotaries can make....plus the fire works from the exhaust.
Funny, before the Initial D cartoon came out....the 86 was going for like 12-17K in good condition. Now...there are some going for close to 56K. Don't get mad AE86 fans, I am also an 86 fan but rotaries for me are the ultimate high.:mouth_closed:
160-215ps vs 280-466ps - Modified (driveable on road)
I think both cars are equally desirable in their respective ways. As for spares...both are easily available and cheap if you know where to look. For me...I think being able to drive a car without pistons is special. Trust me...if you've ever driven a rotary you will know what i mean when i say Rotary's Rock. Smooth, revvy and it gives out a distinctive sound only rotaries can make....plus the fire works from the exhaust.
Funny, before the Initial D cartoon came out....the 86 was going for like 12-17K in good condition. Now...there are some going for close to 56K. Don't get mad AE86 fans, I am also an 86 fan but rotaries for me are the ultimate high.:mouth_closed:
theseira, u got the point there which I think a lot of ppl would agree....
anyway, just for some clarification.
dirft was a common thing in Japan even before Initial-D. Btw, Initial-D comic came about because the illustrator was obssesed with drift and also Tsuchiya. Thus he potrayed AE86 which is driven by Tsuchiya.
Nevertheless; the price has increased a lot since Initial-D. Even before than, a lot of ppl know that 86 has the potentials. But no one really appreciates it until most of the Initial-D fans out there start charging into the market to get the so called lengedary drift car.
I know AE86 is a good car, but I just can't stand ppl glorify the car as if there's no other car out there better than it!
Another example I would like to make.....is F1. Ferrari with Schuey driving it always wins. Try putting Alex Yong behind the wheel of the car....could he pushed the max potentials? Or try utting Shuey into a Minardi....could he still win races?
My point is; drivers and their cars needs to be in-sync....ie. he knows how to handle the car he's driving. He understand what's the potentials and wats the limits. By getting an AE86 doesn't really make you a god in drift. By getting a GTR doesn't make u god in drags. But obviously u might have the upperhand....thats' all!
anyway, just for some clarification.
dirft was a common thing in Japan even before Initial-D. Btw, Initial-D comic came about because the illustrator was obssesed with drift and also Tsuchiya. Thus he potrayed AE86 which is driven by Tsuchiya.
Nevertheless; the price has increased a lot since Initial-D. Even before than, a lot of ppl know that 86 has the potentials. But no one really appreciates it until most of the Initial-D fans out there start charging into the market to get the so called lengedary drift car.
I know AE86 is a good car, but I just can't stand ppl glorify the car as if there's no other car out there better than it!
Another example I would like to make.....is F1. Ferrari with Schuey driving it always wins. Try putting Alex Yong behind the wheel of the car....could he pushed the max potentials? Or try utting Shuey into a Minardi....could he still win races?
My point is; drivers and their cars needs to be in-sync....ie. he knows how to handle the car he's driving. He understand what's the potentials and wats the limits. By getting an AE86 doesn't really make you a god in drift. By getting a GTR doesn't make u god in drags. But obviously u might have the upperhand....thats' all!
omg boon.. really nicely said.. wanted to say that when the "king of Drift" statement came out without a specific reason.. i...really..respect..you..:shocked:b00n said:
All japanese 90s rwd sports car are over price , not just 86 because there is a demand for those cars which is cause by drifting. Take for example when I look at motor trader for 180sx in 2000/2001 the price is 50/60k which is still selling at that price now after 5 - 6 yrs, Doesn't the car deppreciate in value. Or for example the rx-7 prices for those cars are in the region of 30 - 40k which is still the same.
But other cars like evos & subaru have drop in their value. Just that 86 are a little hype up because of intial-d.
But other cars like evos & subaru have drop in their value. Just that 86 are a little hype up because of intial-d.
yeah.. if takumi were to drive other cars, i'm sure that the car that takumi drives would be worshipped instead of the AE86.
i would lashed out any other guys who worshipped their cars or anything else as if there's nuthin else better......
if this is a thread about worshipping Skylines, Evos, Subarus....I would also put my stand down...!
Somtimes I just dont get it whereby ppl are so biased and blinded. It's like...oh I'm driving a monster...ur driving a kitten....so u kenot join me... (or...oh Turbo oni...no N/A; or....VTEC oni...blah blah blah...)
just dun like that type of concept...
everyone has their preference.....
*sigh*
if this is a thread about worshipping Skylines, Evos, Subarus....I would also put my stand down...!
Somtimes I just dont get it whereby ppl are so biased and blinded. It's like...oh I'm driving a monster...ur driving a kitten....so u kenot join me... (or...oh Turbo oni...no N/A; or....VTEC oni...blah blah blah...)
just dun like that type of concept...
everyone has their preference.....
*sigh*
its because 86 shell is lighter than fc and the rotary is more powerful than the 4age, so how to put a 4age when the fc body shell is so heavy. comparatively.
Hmmm....I beg to differ, I reckon putting a rotary into an Ae86 is not entirely just for the power potential.
Please keep in mind that a rotary engine is a very compact powerplant. Its really is tiny compared to a straight six or even a 4 potter.
This allows the engine to be placed nearer to the car's centre of gravity and thus making the car a whole lot more well balanced. Having your engine behind your front axle definitely offers a lot more handling potential and prowess.
A rotary engine's main benefits to the RX is not really about its power output potential but more likely the gain in handling benefits.
An RX was never designed for letting it rear slide around in oversteer heroics. It is a focused and precise machine meant to deliver sweet all round track handling. I am sure as most enthusiasts would know that a car with plenty of on track grip will never really like sliding around as its fundamentals were designed to offer as much grip as possible.
Its like asking a rottweiler to mew.
I've also noticed that in D1, a lot more points are given to FCs that are able to sustain drift although their angles whilst drifting may not be as extreme as other car platforms. This I believe is from the fact that the D1 judges (Japs Included) understand the dynamics shared as above. So making a car that hates being sideways actually go sideways is a point greatly understood and appreciated.
Btw, I saw Kazama san of D1 fame actually struggling harder to drift an FC than any other car he was given to drive in Shah Alam. This includes the FD. He actually hit the tire walls due to the low polar gravity point of the FC. In another words, an FC is pretty non-user friendly when it exceeds its grip limits around bends.
The FC hangs on tights in a corner but when the chassis actually bites back; it bites back hard!
I've tired it first hand believe me....
Please keep in mind that a rotary engine is a very compact powerplant. Its really is tiny compared to a straight six or even a 4 potter.
This allows the engine to be placed nearer to the car's centre of gravity and thus making the car a whole lot more well balanced. Having your engine behind your front axle definitely offers a lot more handling potential and prowess.
A rotary engine's main benefits to the RX is not really about its power output potential but more likely the gain in handling benefits.
An RX was never designed for letting it rear slide around in oversteer heroics. It is a focused and precise machine meant to deliver sweet all round track handling. I am sure as most enthusiasts would know that a car with plenty of on track grip will never really like sliding around as its fundamentals were designed to offer as much grip as possible.
Its like asking a rottweiler to mew.
I've also noticed that in D1, a lot more points are given to FCs that are able to sustain drift although their angles whilst drifting may not be as extreme as other car platforms. This I believe is from the fact that the D1 judges (Japs Included) understand the dynamics shared as above. So making a car that hates being sideways actually go sideways is a point greatly understood and appreciated.
Btw, I saw Kazama san of D1 fame actually struggling harder to drift an FC than any other car he was given to drive in Shah Alam. This includes the FD. He actually hit the tire walls due to the low polar gravity point of the FC. In another words, an FC is pretty non-user friendly when it exceeds its grip limits around bends.
The FC hangs on tights in a corner but when the chassis actually bites back; it bites back hard!
I've tired it first hand believe me....
no offence but i rather take the ae86......hehe if can find cheap one......fc is not a practical car bec. mainly it is a sports car, havin a rotary engine cannot compare to toyota's tough engineering engine. ae86 was made as a normal toyota sports model away from the likes of mr2 and supra, so one can always count on its reliability...cannot say it is the best, but in the long run, the ae86 will always survive compared to the fc......aniway, my point is that in power terms, obviously fc is more powerful, unless it is a f888ker trying to be an idiot, but when it comes to handling, small tiny and light cars always have an advantage.....for example the mini, slow and boring but corner handlling like a sports car.:_:
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