advice needed for buying a modified car...

[94brian]

If you enjoy building one then it is good. If not, forget it. And will need much more RM for this project. Buy Car, Buy engine, transplant then exhaust, brakes and suspension mod, then JPJ and Puspakom problem.
Easily need another RM5k for transplant onwards and that is basic only....:hmmmm:

Wah,like that already need 5k plus,i think i better stick with pre-build car,haha

 

[issuzark]

Wah,like that already need 5k plus,i think i better stick with pre-build car,haha

I was considering a long route myself. 4G67 then add stroker kit then BOT. Them monies.

 

[Izso]

hurm:hmmmm::hmmmm: i thought 4g63 evo gearbox is robust and able to handle 300whp??

Ya hor. Hmm.. but I guess it's all about finding the right one then. Most of these GB's are ancient!

I was considering a long route myself. 4G67 then add stroker kit then BOT. Them monies.

I dunno why you're so obsessed with such an old engine. A 4G93 with a 2.2 stroker has loads of torque and on a Putra body it can eat a lot of cars for breakfast. Turbo charge it and it'll be even more of a handful. What's more 4G93T is stock meaning can be bought from chop shops as is and be quite powerful. 4G6x are ancient.

Wah,like that already need 5k plus,i think i better stick with pre-build car,haha

If you're gonna choose pre-build, better bring a friend or a trusted mechanic to check out the cars you're interested in. With how JPJ is going crazy these days, buying a 2.0 Wira/Satria might be problematic. But that's your choice, your money and your problem. So good luck la.

 

[gunnerzz]

Hi there brian,
Seems like u are obsessed with load of power.

Anyway,u can find a pre built car with lesser money compare to building it yourself.Downside is u will never know the true history of the car untill something go terribly wrong.
Dont be fool with shiny engine bay,all used car are like that.
If u seriously want to buy such a car do get a trusty mech to check everything.
Like u said, your salary is average right?

If i were u, i will buy a stock 1.6 wira or satria with manual tranny or the newer neo.
other option is the original satria gti or putra.
more budget i will go for the r3 satria.
Then i will work slowly mod it to my taste.Turbo?
Maybe,after i am bored revving an NA.

Just remember...all those are old car with old engine.
sooner or later it will ask for your money frequently.

on driving a 300hp car..i think its useless if u cant use the power properly.with such great power comes demand for better skill.
Anyone can go fast,not everyone can keep it together when the need arise.

 

[Izso]

Anyone can go fast,not everyone can keep it together when the need arise.

True. Then occasionally you come across the old fuddy duddy like fstr aka Fred who'll beat the crap out of you in a stock 3-speed Wira in GRA or his stock auto Alza.

 

[issuzark]

Ya hor. Hmm.. but I guess it's all about finding the right one then. Most of these GB's are ancient!



I dunno why you're so obsessed with such an old engine. A 4G93 with a 2.2 stroker has loads of torque and on a Putra body it can eat a lot of cars for breakfast. Turbo charge it and it'll be even more of a handful. What's more 4G93T is stock meaning can be bought from chop shops as is and be quite powerful. 4G6x are ancient.



If you're gonna choose pre-build, better bring a friend or a trusted mechanic to check out the cars you're interested in. With how JPJ is going crazy these days, buying a 2.0 Wira/Satria might be problematic. But that's your choice, your money and your problem. So good luck la.

4G93 if mivec is even more expensive than 4G6x halfcuts.
4G93 with 2.2 stroker eh. I didn't think of that at all.

True. Then occasionally you come across the old fuddy duddy like fstr aka Fred who'll beat the crap out of you in a stock 3-speed Wira in GRA or his stock auto Alza.

That one scary already!

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

4G93 if mivec is even more expensive than 4G6x halfcuts.
4G93 with 2.2 stroker eh. I didn't think of that at all.


That one scary already!

Not scary. fstr is a Legend. No one can beat him in GRA/Gymkhana. His 3 speeder Wira beat cars that you won't believe he can.

Just that he stop joining only. If not, the champion list will all be his name :top:

 

[dekaiser]

me guess you better upgrade driving skills first before handling such monster...maybe go for a gokart lesson to get the adrenaline feel first and later move on to get higher HP car...you have only one life...if you're to own such big HP car...better learn to handle it first before buying one and try to learn how to handle it on the street...it is dangerous for you and others road users too... just my 2 cent...

p/s: upgrading from viva to modified satria with big HP is a huge leap of power to handle...i'm still stuck at 2.0cc NA engine and still learning how to control the car safely...

 

[vr2turbo]

If i were u, i will buy a stock 1.6 wira or satria with manual tranny or the newer neo.
other option is the original satria gti or putra.
more budget i will go for the r3 satria.
Then i will work slowly mod it to my taste.Turbo?
Maybe,after i am bored revving an NA.

Building one himself needs more RM, that is what he does want to do......

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I dunno why you're so obsessed with such an old engine. A 4G93 with a 2.2 stroker has loads of torque and on a Putra body it can eat a lot of cars for breakfast. Turbo charge it and it'll be even more of a handful. What's more 4G93T is stock meaning can be bought from chop shops as is and be quite powerful. 4G6x are ancient.

haha, very ancient from 1990, older then my kids, but can still sapu many newer cars......

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me guess you better upgrade driving skills first before handling such monster...maybe go for a gokart lesson to get the adrenaline feel first and later move on to get higher HP car...you have only one life...if you're to own such big HP car...better learn to handle it first before buying one and try to learn how to handle it on the street...it is dangerous for you and others road users too... just my 2 cent...

p/s: upgrading from viva to modified satria with big HP is a huge leap of power to handle...i'm still stuck at 2.0cc NA engine and still learning how to control the car safely...

When my VR was first transplanted, my mechanic did not let any of his workers drive or test it as he is not sure they can handle it......hahhahhahahah

 

[Ryuuken]

Hi Brian,
I'm sure all of the sifu's here are trying to help you out. They don't tend on having the intention to stop you from driving the car with high horsepower. It's just that they are here since the pre dominant time where the pharaoh is still there and people walk around half naked.
IF you wanna go with 300 horses plus turbo, then be sure to have you're money coming in like turbo too.
Like someone mentioned earlier, higher horse higher maintenance. No one is this forum will ever tell you a Supra with 600 twin turbo only cost 300 ringgit per year of maintainence. Yes that could possibly happen, just warm up the car and it stays in your house.
I think i can understand you more because i'm still in your area of age.
Most of the sifu here like SF,Stupidcar,IZSO and IXEO,they all know my story on how hard it is when i bought my celica.
Is not that im hindering you from buying a turbo. The main question is, are you financially ready?
2300 per month is average nowadays. and plus if you have other commitments such as phone bills or maybe installment on anything, it would be tough for you.
Let's say:
1) you eat everyday, the daily plate a month will cost: RM400 or more
2)Your fuel consumption on a viva is cheap, but on a turbo will cost: Viva fuel consumption times 3 or 4. IE: 100 x 4 = RM400 Even my celica is around 300 per month daily driven. And that is coming from a cipot car with a driver with small balls.
3)Let's say your mobile prepaid or postpaid: RM100 at least per month.
4)If you rent a house: Additional RM500? If with parents then ignore this.
5) Your misc expenses: ******, gf gifts a present,lepak makan makan, suddenly have the urge of buying an item: RM200

With all this above, your monthly rates will be RM2300-RM1000, means you have RM1300 if anything happen.

with just 1000 to spare, an NA car daily driven actually is a better option for you.
NA cars are less likely prone to any sort of risky danger such as over heating or a blown turbine.
They also require less TLC compared to turbo car.
To take care of turbo is one thing, but to find stuff for the car is another thing.
Plus, you might have this syndrome which you would fail to appreciate power if you jump from a 70 horse to a 300 horse all of a sudden.
And power bug is another thing too, you want more and more power. Like my case, i lost to a seasoned driver, i already sketch up a new turbo kit plan, which im going to use own fabricated water to air intercooler, new fuel rail and custom intake kit, a GTX30 turbo, and a twin intake open pod. SEE?! this is power bug. You just want more and more.
All of the above i'm saying is not because i want to influence your decision, but im just hoping to help you make the right choice.
We all here are always ready to help.. as much as the other sifu helped me before, that is how i am going to help you too..

P.S: an old car major problem wont be annoying, but the annoying part is the frequent small problem that keeps on popping out.

 

[issuzark]

Building one himself needs more RM, that is what he does want to do......

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haha, very ancient from 1990, older then my kids, but can still sapu many newer cars......

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When my VR was first transplanted, my mechanic did not let any of his workers drive or test it as he is not sure they can handle it......hahhahhahahah

4G63 simply because evo fanboy.

 

[peterj]

Off topic.... ryuuken and TS...how old are u both

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Better think twice before jumping from a Viva into a 300bhp modded 4G63T Satria. It's not that I am underestimating your abilities or what but the power difference between both cars is almost like between the sky and the ground...

Anyway, have a look at this and you'll know why I say you should not jump into 300bhp FWD Satria straight away....
http://www.zerotohundred.com/newfor...2-satria-with-evo-engine-in-horror-crash.html

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Wira 1.8 falls within limit but seems not allowed also. I think only the Perdana are allowed....

Actually there is still another new 2.0 litre car. Inspira. If let's say someone have enough budget for a 4B11T transplant for Inspira, I think it is allowed?



By the way TS, if you don't mind me giving a suggestion, I think you can probably consider some NA 1.6 litre cars to start playing with. For example, EF, EG, EK Civic with B16A or AE92, AE101, AE111 with 4A-GE or even 4G92 MIVEC Satria, Wira, Putra... I know that power and torque wise, they are no match for 4G63T but handling wise and ease to control, I'm sure these 1.6 NA are better than the heavier and more powerful 4G63T. Maintenance for these NA 1.6 litres are also cheaper as you know that 4G63T comes from high power rally machines like Lancer Evolution or Galant VR-4 (I know I missed out RV-R and Airtrek here ) which aren't cheap to maintain not to mention bad fuel consumption as well (petrol price is on the rise)...

At the end, this is still a suggestion from me... It still depends on you to make the final decision yourself. Whatever it is, do enjoy your new car and drive safe.

 

[vr2turbo]

Off topic.... ryuuken and TS...how old are u both

TS mention 20yo..... ryuuken slightly older, and we do have many other youngster here oh!

 

[peterj]

20 year old.. omg, i still drive a proton wira

 

[KenDiriwan]

i will i will...even myself know that 300whp is escalated too quick from 70bhp viva ,so i'm gonna take time to handle it
im kind of alittle 'kiasi' after the accident already :P but yet it doesn't kill my enthusiasm about motorsport

now the photo of my accident!!!a big big lesson
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You should try engage yourself in advance driving course or say gymkhana, know the car and yourself better.

 

[94brian]

Hi there brian,
Seems like u are obsessed with load of power.

Anyway,u can find a pre built car with lesser money compare to building it yourself.Downside is u will never know the true history of the car untill something go terribly wrong.
Dont be fool with shiny engine bay,all used car are like that.
If u seriously want to buy such a car do get a trusty mech to check everything.
Like u said, your salary is average right?

If i were u, i will buy a stock 1.6 wira or satria with manual tranny or the newer neo.
other option is the original satria gti or putra.
more budget i will go for the r3 satria.
Then i will work slowly mod it to my taste.Turbo?
Maybe,after i am bored revving an NA.

Just remember...all those are old car with old engine.
sooner or later it will ask for your money frequently.

on driving a 300hp car..i think its useless if u cant use the power properly.with such great power comes demand for better skill.
Anyone can go fast,not everyone can keep it together when the need arise.

true true,couldn't agree more!i do have a friend know some mechanic.i don't really have any commitment now,only have a low maintainance gf have to feed ,rm100 phone prepaid a month and some entertainment.

True. Then occasionally you come across the old fuddy duddy like fstr aka Fred who'll beat the crap out of you in a stock 3-speed Wira in GRA or his stock auto Alza.

wahhhhh,jaw drop

Hi Brian,
I'm sure all of the sifu's here are trying to help you out. They don't tend on having the intention to stop you from driving the car with high horsepower. It's just that they are here since the pre dominant time where the pharaoh is still there and people walk around half naked.
IF you wanna go with 300 horses plus turbo, then be sure to have you're money coming in like turbo too.
Like someone mentioned earlier, higher horse higher maintenance. No one is this forum will ever tell you a Supra with 600 twin turbo only cost 300 ringgit per year of maintainence. Yes that could possibly happen, just warm up the car and it stays in your house.
I think i can understand you more because i'm still in your area of age.
Most of the sifu here like SF,Stupidcar,IZSO and IXEO,they all know my story on how hard it is when i bought my celica.
Is not that im hindering you from buying a turbo. The main question is, are you financially ready?
2300 per month is average nowadays. and plus if you have other commitments such as phone bills or maybe installment on anything, it would be tough for you.
Let's say:
1) you eat everyday, the daily plate a month will cost: RM400 or more
2)Your fuel consumption on a viva is cheap, but on a turbo will cost: Viva fuel consumption times 3 or 4. IE: 100 x 4 = RM400 Even my celica is around 300 per month daily driven. And that is coming from a cipot car with a driver with small balls.
3)Let's say your mobile prepaid or postpaid: RM100 at least per month.
4)If you rent a house: Additional RM500? If with parents then ignore this.
5) Your misc expenses: ******, gf gifts a present,lepak makan makan, suddenly have the urge of buying an item: RM200

With all this above, your monthly rates will be RM2300-RM1000, means you have RM1300 if anything happen.

with just 1000 to spare, an NA car daily driven actually is a better option for you.
NA cars are less likely prone to any sort of risky danger such as over heating or a blown turbine.
They also require less TLC compared to turbo car.
To take care of turbo is one thing, but to find stuff for the car is another thing.
Plus, you might have this syndrome which you would fail to appreciate power if you jump from a 70 horse to a 300 horse all of a sudden.
And power bug is another thing too, you want more and more power. Like my case, i lost to a seasoned driver, i already sketch up a new turbo kit plan, which im going to use own fabricated water to air intercooler, new fuel rail and custom intake kit, a GTX30 turbo, and a twin intake open pod. SEE?! this is power bug. You just want more and more.
All of the above i'm saying is not because i want to influence your decision, but im just hoping to help you make the right choice.
We all here are always ready to help.. as much as the other sifu helped me before, that is how i am going to help you too..

P.S: an old car major problem wont be annoying, but the annoying part is the frequent small problem that keeps on popping out.

hey i understand :D haha,you guys give alot of useful info,couldn't thank you guys more.
i had took all yours suggestion and advice in my note :D
wah,you own a celica?altho i dont know your story,but im happy for you bro,haha...

P.S: an old car major problem wont be annoying, but the annoying part is the frequent small problem that keeps on popping out. THIS IS SO TRUE

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Better think twice before jumping from a Viva into a 300bhp modded 4G63T Satria. It's not that I am underestimating your abilities or what but the power difference between both cars is almost like between the sky and the ground...

Anyway, have a look at this and you'll know why I say you should not jump into 300bhp FWD Satria straight away....
http://www.zerotohundred.com/newfor...2-satria-with-evo-engine-in-horror-crash.html

---------- Post added at 01:13 PM ---------- 6 hour anti-bump limit - Previous post was at 12:50 PM ----------



Actually there is still another new 2.0 litre car. Inspira. If let's say someone have enough budget for a 4B11T transplant for Inspira, I think it is allowed?



By the way TS, if you don't mind me giving a suggestion, I think you can probably consider some NA 1.6 litre cars to start playing with. For example, EF, EG, EK Civic with B16A or AE92, AE101, AE111 with 4A-GE or even 4G92 MIVEC Satria, Wira, Putra... I know that power and torque wise, they are no match for 4G63T but handling wise and ease to control, I'm sure these 1.6 NA are better than the heavier and more powerful 4G63T. Maintenance for these NA 1.6 litres are also cheaper as you know that 4G63T comes from high power rally machines like Lancer Evolution or Galant VR-4 (I know I missed out RV-R and Airtrek here ) which aren't cheap to maintain not to mention bad fuel consumption as well (petrol price is on the rise)...

At the end, this is still a suggestion from me... It still depends on you to make the final decision yourself. Whatever it is, do enjoy your new car and drive safe.

hey thanks for the link and suggestion! ya! i did considered blacktop ae111 since the price under 20k. since u mentioned,ae111 back on my list again,haha...

TS mention 20yo..... ryuuken slightly older, and we do have many other youngster here oh!

haha! (brain corrupted 90's they said) joking

You should try engage yourself in advance driving course or say gymkhana, know the car and yourself better.

im planing to do so like track run and maybe participate time attack when i'm ready but i know that gonna take alot of time :P
since you guys right,you aint shit if you are the fastest on the street,track is what matter :P

 

[RENESIS VIII]

20 year old.. omg, i still drive a proton wira

Same with me. But having a Wira at 20 year old is good enough I think.

 

[Jac83]

Same with me. But having a Wira at 20 year old is good enough I think.

Wira is more than good enough for age of 20, I was driving only a sunny at the age of 22, before that public transport lol.

 

[issuzark]

TS mention 20yo..... ryuuken slightly older, and we do have many other youngster here oh!

I feel like a kid now! Children unite!

20 year old.. omg, i still drive a proton wira

What's wrong with Wira? Nice chassis mahhh.

You should try engage yourself in advance driving course or say gymkhana, know the car and yourself better.

Sounds like a legit excuse to go touge.

Wira is more than good enough for age of 20, I was driving only a sunny at the age of 22, before that public transport lol.

I just got my car in January this year too. Public transport all the way before that. Heh.