Turbo Vs Vtec
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haiya...i have vtec in eg body and satria with vr4 480 hp...syok 2 play with those engine...exept u make ur car then lepak2 at dataran merdeka and tasik titiwangsa...and usha2 awek,poser2....blueerkkkk....
yelaa...cannot go wit' that...rather ride a keta pekak wit' a powerful engine than nice car wit' bodykit but can't go...got no torque mean no fun...haiya...i have vtec in eg body and satria with vr4 480 hp...syok 2 play with those engine...exept u make ur car then lepak2 at dataran merdeka and tasik titiwangsa...and usha2 awek,poser2....blueerkkkk....
back from my slumber, huaaaaargh!!!:sleep:
discussion isnt finished yet ker? good ler kot..
id rather compare between similar horsepower rather den the expenditure. given a fixed amount of dough to mod both types, the charged ones will have more horsepower definitely.
applicable power to ground is important, dat was y i "menekankan" the word competent driver in all of my posts.
ive seen many dyno charts during my visits to millenium, and all dat i can say is charged engines dont necessarily produced torque in the lower revv jer, sumtimes the max torque ade kat ujung jugek, depending on the owner setup. but, at the lower revv, the VALUE of the torque at any said rpm is USUALLY higher then dat of an NA machine. note : when dis comparison was made, i was thinking of a B20 hybrid VTEC (210whp) and a stock block 4G63T evo3 (303whp) wit a bigger turbine.
efficiency of an engine is one thing, VE is another. VE stands for volumetric efficiency, i dont wanna explain dis, nanti ade orang komplen pulak.. just look dat up
discussion isnt finished yet ker? good ler kot..
id rather compare between similar horsepower rather den the expenditure. given a fixed amount of dough to mod both types, the charged ones will have more horsepower definitely.
applicable power to ground is important, dat was y i "menekankan" the word competent driver in all of my posts.
ive seen many dyno charts during my visits to millenium, and all dat i can say is charged engines dont necessarily produced torque in the lower revv jer, sumtimes the max torque ade kat ujung jugek, depending on the owner setup. but, at the lower revv, the VALUE of the torque at any said rpm is USUALLY higher then dat of an NA machine. note : when dis comparison was made, i was thinking of a B20 hybrid VTEC (210whp) and a stock block 4G63T evo3 (303whp) wit a bigger turbine.
efficiency of an engine is one thing, VE is another. VE stands for volumetric efficiency, i dont wanna explain dis, nanti ade orang komplen pulak.. just look dat up
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dont care wht they will say la bro..just for info sharing,..then if someone complain means he knows better...so,just dont complain and be practical..so,wht is VE?is it the cylindrical quantity efficiency?efficiency of an engine is one thing, VE is another. VE stands for volumetric efficiency, i dont wanna explain dis, nanti ade orang komplen pulak.. just look dat up
wonder the vvt-i vios is extremely differ with i-vtec new city.the gap is..hard to believe..
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NA and IF is just a matter of choice.
just a simple question here.
Which chick will you choose ?
A girl with make up all over her face or , A girl which have natural beauty ?
I guess you guys will get what i mean
just a simple question here.
Which chick will you choose ?
A girl with make up all over her face or , A girl which have natural beauty ?
I guess you guys will get what i mean
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never tot like tat b4...u ar..terrible la...u acronym is seriously not applicable...if so,what do u mean by 'girl with make-up' and 'natural beauty'?did u try to say tat NA is represented by ...?if NA is a girl with make-up,then natural beauty is force induction..is it?then,r u try to say tat evo wit IF dont have natural beauty?u ar..crazy ar..then a proton-mitsu endorsed is what?whore?seriously..for a woman,cant take it easily..NA and IF is just a matter of choice.
just a simple question here.
Which chick will you choose ?
A girl with make up all over her face or , A girl which have natural beauty ?
I guess you guys will get what i mean
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well, i'll keep it as simple as i can. VEs stands for volumetric efficiency
u see, when an engine has a volume of.. lets take d B16 for example, 1600cc, for any NA machine, and i quote, "ANY", it cannot utilise dat 1600cc of volume efficiently ie it cannot suck air in as much as 1600cc after it has completed a revv. usually, only a small portion is utilised. u can increase dis VE value by mods, such as higher specced cams, bigger valve, better head flow, better technology, etc. like whats alredi in / been done to the B16 and yet, wit all dat still cannot surpass the 100% mark. but, any std non-VTEC engine can be made to utilise its VE surparsing d 100% mark just by charging it, because u r forcing air in as much as the charger be able to, and not just rely on the suction of the engine's cylinders. so, a std 1600cc motor can produce similar power output wit the B16, and more (by simply increasing the boost, senang jer..), wit a more conventional engine setup ie moderate cam, lower compression ratio, not-so-extensive-valve-cut-angle, normal gearing ratio, etc. and still maintain good fc (if driven sensibly), because now, its more EFFICIENT.
dats y, if u mod an NA machine, wit a given sum of dough, compare dat wit a similar cc charged machine, u will always see dat a charged motor will give u better power and fuel economy (again, if driven sensibly lah).
Bump: mods dat is done wit proper knowledge is the thing dat will give u power, hence making ur car faster.
i did most of my mods, so they were mostly.. FREE
u see, when an engine has a volume of.. lets take d B16 for example, 1600cc, for any NA machine, and i quote, "ANY", it cannot utilise dat 1600cc of volume efficiently ie it cannot suck air in as much as 1600cc after it has completed a revv. usually, only a small portion is utilised. u can increase dis VE value by mods, such as higher specced cams, bigger valve, better head flow, better technology, etc. like whats alredi in / been done to the B16 and yet, wit all dat still cannot surpass the 100% mark. but, any std non-VTEC engine can be made to utilise its VE surparsing d 100% mark just by charging it, because u r forcing air in as much as the charger be able to, and not just rely on the suction of the engine's cylinders. so, a std 1600cc motor can produce similar power output wit the B16, and more (by simply increasing the boost, senang jer..), wit a more conventional engine setup ie moderate cam, lower compression ratio, not-so-extensive-valve-cut-angle, normal gearing ratio, etc. and still maintain good fc (if driven sensibly), because now, its more EFFICIENT.
dats y, if u mod an NA machine, wit a given sum of dough, compare dat wit a similar cc charged machine, u will always see dat a charged motor will give u better power and fuel economy (again, if driven sensibly lah).
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trust me, dis isnt necessarily true..
mods dat is done wit proper knowledge is the thing dat will give u power, hence making ur car faster. i did most of my mods, so they were mostly.. FREE
win a qualified race event baru cakap, more realistic....LOL
Bump: win a qualified race event baru cakap, more realistic....LOL
Bump: win a qualified race event baru cakap, more realistic....LOL
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still on track, got many laps to go bro, he...he...he...
so which side wining tur or V??
no time to read, sorry!
still on track, got many laps to go bro, he...he...he...
GT JAPAN got many turbo cars...except for NSX
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