It's time to let it go......

[stutzedward]

Switching to manual mode with auto box will affect reliability? I heard some people said that too but why?

Nope. Not at all.... the gear shifts anyway and it's just doing it at your preferred revs.

 

[vr2turbo]

Nope. Not at all.... the gear shifts anyway and it's just doing it at your preferred revs.

Under control is good, but some abuse them then gone case loh.....

 

[lsm1991]

Maybe the tuned FTO is not tuned for that kind of track condition or something? Weird and funny that a stock one can actually go faster than a tuned one. Not just any random shop tuned ones. For it to appear on best motoring, it must be from some reputable tuner. I also watched before a 1 million and 2 million yen tuned EG6 VS powerful cars like R33 GT-R, JZA80 Supra and FD3S RX-7. The sports cars lost to the EG6 rather badly....

Did your Airtrek autobox suffer from conventional auto symptoms like it takes some time before the engine responded after you floor the throttle? I've only driven automatic once before and it really feels weird to me. It was an Avanza 1.5. Not saying it is underpowered but the response delay after I floor on the throttle feels weird to me. I'm used to the instant response in manual cars.

fto.... not easy to squeeze additional power out of the original engine... UNLESS you dump in a ton of money into it. At that point, considering how much money would need to be spent, i personally would opt to throw in an evo engine or 6a13tt into it.

 

[stutzedward]

Under control is good, but some abuse them then gone case loh.....

yup... well in general, if we drive our car aggressively in a long period of time, any modes will still kills it. :)

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Nope. Not at all.... the gear shifts anyway and it's just doing it at your preferred revs.

As long as you don't over rev it, it should be fine?

fto.... not easy to squeeze additional power out of the original engine... UNLESS you dump in a ton of money into it. At that point, considering how much money would need to be spent, i personally would opt to throw in an evo engine or 6a13tt into it.

Most of the time, this holds true across all NA engines.

 

[vr2turbo]

yup... well in general, if we drive our car aggressively in a long period of time, any modes will still kills it. :)

Of course, but if talking about GB, then manual will be stronger......lol

 

[stutzedward]

As long as you don't over rev it, it should be fine?



Most of the time, this holds true across all NA engines.

Yes, unless you redline shift all the time, else the box will last like in auto mode. Anyway, I doubt you can redline at 4th or 5th gear cos it's either not powerful enough to push to this point (as it's already very fast) OR you're going way too fast. :)

I heard some NA engines are easy to tune. Eg. 350Z, just a reflash can release quite a bit of power. Read it from some Japan tuning video mags.

 

[stutzedward]

Of course, but if talking about GB, then manual will be stronger......lol

Sure manual is stronger but if we're talking about shifting manually within means, it makes almost no difference to auto-shift in terms of wear and tear.

 

[stutzedward]

Just want to share my experience and feeling after driving the HRV over a month now. What can I say....

What I like:
1) Comfortable, quiet, plush
2) Extremely easy to drive!
3) Liking all the new gadgets which are missing in my Airtrek
4) The FC is gorgeous, 11.5km/L in city and close to 14km/L on highway
5) Generous space for it's size
6) Pretty good looking, I love the factory rims.
7) Very responsive and good taking off pickup.
8) The rear magic seats are great!
9) Love the semi-leather seats. I don't like full leather as it's very very hot for our weather.

What I dislike:
1) The CVT gearbox is like powerless during overtaking. It revs high but doesn't feel the car going.
2) Boot space a bit smaller than my preference
3) The rear door handle will be more convenient if located on the door metal sheet like front doors.
4) Rear windscreen too tiny
5) Road noise is annoying, probably the tires or Honda's lousy NVH
6) Quality a notch lower than Airtrek. Plastics doesn't feel premium. Maybe imported Vezel will be better.

Overall, I am happy with the car. The only thing I miss about Airtrek is the power to overtake. Otherwise, this HRV runs and feels all better than Airtrek.

Unfair comparison but just sharing my feel.

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Yes, unless you redline shift all the time, else the box will last like in auto mode. Anyway, I doubt you can redline at 4th or 5th gear cos it's either not powerful enough to push to this point (as it's already very fast) OR you're going way too fast. :)

I heard some NA engines are easy to tune. Eg. 350Z, just a reflash can release quite a bit of power. Read it from some Japan tuning video mags.

But in 1st, 2nd and 3rd you can redline it.

I think 350Z is easy to get more power since the stock JDM version only gives out like 276hp due to their previous engine output regulations. Since it is a 3.5 litre, 276hp is not really the real max output of the engine I think.

Sure manual is stronger but if we're talking about shifting manually within means, it makes almost no difference to auto-shift in terms of wear and tear.

Oh, sorry about my question earlier. After rereading, I actually misunderstood your meaning when you said you choose not to do it in order not to hamper your gearbox reliability. At first I thought you meant driving in manual mode for AT. You actually mean tweaking the gearbox setting in ECU isn't it?

Just want to share my experience and feeling after driving the HRV over a month now. What can I say....

What I like:
1) Comfortable, quiet, plush
2) Extremely easy to drive!
3) Liking all the new gadgets which are missing in my Airtrek
4) The FC is gorgeous, 11.5km/L in city and close to 14km/L on highway
5) Generous space for it's size
6) Pretty good looking, I love the factory rims.
7) Very responsive and good taking off pickup.
8) The rear magic seats are great!
9) Love the semi-leather seats. I don't like full leather as it's very very hot for our weather.

What I dislike:
1) The CVT gearbox is like powerless during overtaking. It revs high but doesn't feel the car going.
2) Boot space a bit smaller than my preference
3) The rear door handle will be more convenient if located on the door metal sheet like front doors.
4) Rear windscreen too tiny
5) Road noise is annoying, probably the tires or Honda's lousy NVH
6) Quality a notch lower than Airtrek. Plastics doesn't feel premium. Maybe imported Vezel will be better.

Overall, I am happy with the car. The only thing I miss about Airtrek is the power to overtake. Otherwise, this HRV runs and feels all better than Airtrek.

Unfair comparison but just sharing my feel.

From a 300hp car to a 140hp car, for sure you will feel that power is missing. But you'll probably get used to it after a while?

For point number 6 regarding interior quality, I think this applies for a lot of new cars nowadays. Vezel's interior does look better from photos but as for its material quality, it is hard to tell. But what I can say is, I've sat inside a Subaru XV before and despite its interior looking more plain than HRV, the tactile feel of dashboard buttons, switches does feel better than HRV. Interior material feels better too in XV.

Even in our local Proton cars, the old ones felt like they have a better material quality for the interior. The interior of Saga FLX feels cheaper than my old 1999 Wira. The Wira dashboard and door trim feels like leather while Saga feels plastic everywhere. Even the old Saga Iswara door trim feels like leather too compared to FLX and LMST.

 

[lsm1991]

But in 1st, 2nd and 3rd you can redline it.

For point number 6 regarding interior quality, I think this applies for a lot of new cars nowadays. Vezel's interior does look better from photos but as for its material quality, it is hard to tell. But what I can say is, I've sat inside a Subaru XV before and despite its interior looking more plain than HRV, the tactile feel of dashboard buttons, switches does feel better than HRV. Interior material feels better too in XV.

Even in our local Proton cars, the old ones felt like they have a better material quality for the interior. The interior of Saga FLX feels cheaper than my old 1999 Wira. The Wira dashboard and door trim feels like leather while Saga feels plastic everywhere. Even the old Saga Iswara door trim feels like leather too compared to FLX and LMST.

haha old cars, the dash is actually a plastic piece wrapped with some material (i dont know if pvc, plasticish or rubberish material, cant tell) while new cars, its usually the plastic itself which is on the outside.

 

[RENESIS VIII]

haha old cars, the dash is actually a plastic piece wrapped with some material (i dont know if pvc, plasticish or rubberish material, cant tell) while new cars, its usually the plastic itself which is on the outside.

But these rubber kind of material feels better than pure plastic alone. Plus, some even seems to last quite long although occasionally exposed to sun light for many years.

 

[lsm1991]

But these rubber kind of material feels better than pure plastic alone. Plus, some even seems to last quite long although occasionally exposed to sun light for many years.

i think its some sort of pvc sheets, i also like this material better, not so easy to scratch though some in the cases of the cars i saw, it was extremely disgusting... there was some sort of sticky oily layer on it...

*there is another sort of rubbery coating on some vw's, altezzas, fto's... now this.. this is the worst! these parts dont last, its terrible....

 

[vr2turbo]

But these rubber kind of material feels better than pure plastic alone. Plus, some even seems to last quite long although occasionally exposed to sun light for many years.

Yup, soft feel better than the hard plastic type......lol

 

[stutzedward]

Older cars has a layer of vinyl outside and a thin piece of sponge between the plastic skeleton of the dashboard or door panel. Therefore when you touch it, it felt soft and plush. I remembered using notice board pins to pin my tissue box OR car perfume on the dash.

Newer cars however does not have this anymore. Just the hard layer itself. Airtrek is the same too. However Airtrek's plastic feel is softer when I knock on it as opposed to HRV's, hard and has a lighter tone. I think the plastic layer is thinner.

Anyway, I am not complaining that HRV's quality is bad. Maybe the design of the dash, it does not look that premium compared to Airtrek's. However, i still like the car cos it's easy to drive.

One thing that surprises me, I did not expect the handling to be 'acceptable' too. I do not race it for one, okay. I just drove it on those trunk kampung roads with lots of corners like touge and it seems to perform well for my expectation. I was initially thinking it will handle like a box-van. Hahaha..

 

[stutzedward]

But in 1st, 2nd and 3rd you can redline it.

I think 350Z is easy to get more power since the stock JDM version only gives out like 276hp due to their previous engine output regulations. Since it is a 3.5 litre, 276hp is not really the real max output of the engine I think.



Oh, sorry about my question earlier. After rereading, I actually misunderstood your meaning when you said you choose not to do it in order not to hamper your gearbox reliability. At first I thought you meant driving in manual mode for AT. You actually mean tweaking the gearbox setting in ECU isn't it?



From a 300hp car to a 140hp car, for sure you will feel that power is missing. But you'll probably get used to it after a while?

Yes the stock 350z is under power based on the engine specs they have. They can easily chunk out more.

No no, I said it is OKAY to shift manually and it will not cause wear and tear to the autobox even if we shift manually. Well that is unless you drive like a faggot-sively. Hehehehe...

Yeah, even my wife felt it. Honestly, HRV is quick taking off. In fact the response is so good that it's better than Airtrek (with turbo lag). However the problem is when overtaking.. haiyoooooo

 

[vr2turbo]

One thing that surprises me, I did not expect the handling to be 'acceptable' too. I do not race it for one, okay. I just drove it on those trunk kampung roads with lots of corners like touge and it seems to perform well for my expectation. I was initially thinking it will handle like a box-van. Hahaha..

Van is way worse. If one wheel loose traction you are stuck.....lol
On Federal highway there was once a van tail me at around 90 kph but road was wet after rain. There was a car in front slowed down so I tap my brakes. This van I think lock brakes and start to serve into next lane hitting another car. Saw all in rear view mirror....

 

[RENESIS VIII]

i think its some sort of pvc sheets, i also like this material better, not so easy to scratch though some in the cases of the cars i saw, it was extremely disgusting... there was some sort of sticky oily layer on it...

*there is another sort of rubbery coating on some vw's, altezzas, fto's... now this.. this is the worst! these parts dont last, its terrible....

Sticky oily layer? That surely feels worse than hard plastic.

Yup, soft feel better than the hard plastic type......lol

Agree. At least they feel like they can take in some punishment from force rather than hard plastic where you feel like they might just crack after being hit by something hard.

Older cars has a layer of vinyl outside and a thin piece of sponge between the plastic skeleton of the dashboard or door panel. Therefore when you touch it, it felt soft and plush. I remembered using notice board pins to pin my tissue box OR car perfume on the dash.

Newer cars however does not have this anymore. Just the hard layer itself. Airtrek is the same too. However Airtrek's plastic feel is softer when I knock on it as opposed to HRV's, hard and has a lighter tone. I think the plastic layer is thinner.

Anyway, I am not complaining that HRV's quality is bad. Maybe the design of the dash, it does not look that premium compared to Airtrek's. However, i still like the car cos it's easy to drive.

One thing that surprises me, I did not expect the handling to be 'acceptable' too. I do not race it for one, okay. I just drove it on those trunk kampung roads with lots of corners like touge and it seems to perform well for my expectation. I was initially thinking it will handle like a box-van. Hahaha..

HR-V is based on the Jazz/Fit platform. Jazz/Fit is known for their good handling despite using torsion beam at rear. Handling should not be an issue for HR-V.

Yes the stock 350z is under power based on the engine specs they have. They can easily chunk out more.

No no, I said it is OKAY to shift manually and it will not cause wear and tear to the autobox even if we shift manually. Well that is unless you drive like a faggot-sively. Hehehehe...

Yeah, even my wife felt it. Honestly, HRV is quick taking off. In fact the response is so good that it's better than Airtrek (with turbo lag). However the problem is when overtaking.. haiyoooooo

Despite not a weak or slow car itself, 350Z does fare poorly compared to many other JDM performance cars. Cars like Evo, STI, Skyline GT-R, Supra, RX-7 all out performs it. In fact, I think the older Z32 300ZX may even outperform 350Z on straights too.

Now I know if next time I get to drive an auto, I can shift manually as much as I want. It was a funny experience the first time I drive with auto. It was just around my housing area. When I reach a junction, I stopped and shifted to neutral like MT. When I want to get out from the junction, I looked back at the gear console to check where D is. Normally in MT, I just shift to 1 naturally and off I go. In AT, it feels weird to me.

Actually, how laggy is turbo lag? Is it that slow?

 

[vr2turbo]

Turbo lag only at initial stage, before the turbine can spool enough force or boost. Old school turbo power comes in after 3k rpm, so the lag is from start till there. Once you in the high rpm range and keeping it there the power keeps coming...:rolleyes:

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Turbo lag only at initial stage, before the turbine can spool enough force or boost. Old school turbo power comes in after 3k rpm, so the lag is from start till there. Once you in the high rpm range and keeping it there the power keeps coming...:rolleyes:

So, during the lag period, the car will feel underpowered? As for engine response, it is still the same right? Unlike in AT where you need to wait 1 second or so before the engine started to respond after pressing the throttle?