How the hell did the Singaporeans beat us on our homeground??!!

[elsm80]

Guys,

Does it shock you to know that the top 3 times posted at TTA are from Singaporean teams?

How did this happen with all our Sunway race team experience?? GTR club etc etc....the Singaporeans are a good second quicker than us PER LAP.

They stay 350km away from the track, out of this country and have a lot less data. YET they come here and gang-rape us.

I have a sneaking suspicion that this gap is only going to get bigger.

Any thoughts?

TIMETOATTACK Round 1 May 19th 2013 Hall Of Fame List
http://www.zerotohundred.com/newfor...ttack-round-1-19-may-2013-sepang-circuit.html

 

[es2611]

bigger budget? more sponsors? cheaper performance parts? more enthusiasm?

 

[zique]

*shocked*

 

[lan evo]

rich singaporean willing to spend more to build their track machine rather than the rich malaysian spend more to drive fast on the straight outside of the track

 

[ixeo]

Congratulations to the Singaporeans for handing our Malaysian ass on a plate. Hopefully our local boys learn a trick or two, improve, and return to the next TTA with a vengeance.

Rather than bitch, whine, make up reasons and excuses. Guess what? Nobody cares really. Winning is winning.

Hint: Its called sportsmanship.

 

[faruck]

only one sec different maa from our boys..thats what they called LUCK :flute:

 

[wuzzles]

Luck? Seriously? Where can like this.... This sounds like a very unfair advantage for some to come to the track with this thing lar. Scrutinizers pls take note in the next round! *facepalm*

 

[ixeo]

only one sec different maa from our boys..thats what they called LUCK :flute:

Doesn't matter what its called, winning is winning. Giving a reason just makes us look like sore losers. Besides, top tier racing are all won by a second or less.

 

[jinkl]

There is only one and only reason, they come to Malaysia and unleash their beast , msian in the other hands can release it on NKVE , KESAS , FEDERAL LEKAS , NORTH SOUTH , hehehehehe, just kidding :D

hope the spirit of competition is kept up so both sides get better n better :)
who wins gets pride, who looses share their pride too :) cheers

 

[twistedichc]

it's not just the car, driver needs to connect wit it 2, take schu for example, how did he takes his corner, fearless coz he believes in his ride & people behind it, yes big sponsors do make sum @ big differences for the car but the driver have the biggest impact right sifuses

 

[intrigue]

Cheaper performance parts or used SGD come Malaysia buy parts. SGD$1 = RM2.45. Lots of part to play

 

[6UE5t]

Doesn't matter what its called, winning is winning. Giving a reason just makes us look like sore losers. Besides, top tier racing are all won by a second or less.

Yeap, 1 sec slower can mean the difference between pole position to middle or even lower grid positions. If multiply by number of racing laps, say 20, 30, etc2, then your gap becomes big already.

 

[DRFT_240sx]

I would have to say that a lot of faster drivers just didn't bother to participate this time around as it's more like a traffic jam than a proper time attack event which they limit the amount of car per heat and not just throwing in 40 competitors in a 30 minute run and call it a "time attack"

 

[Izso]

elsm80 : Why do you always want to stir up negative feelings everywhere you go?

So what if Singaporeans won? They attend track days and come down to Sepang as often as the locals every other track day anyway. So if they are as good if not better then good for them. TTA is not about country vs country. It's about driver vs driver, cars vs cars, may the best combination win.

TTA was never about conflicts. It's about sportsmanship like what Ixeo said. (And the chance for a lot of advertising)

And in tradition of being a stickler for rules : Any country bashing or personal attacks will result in deletion of thread and/or suspension of IDs.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

I would have to say that a lot of faster drivers just didn't bother to participate this time around as it's more like a traffic jam than a proper time attack event which they limit the amount of car per heat and not just throwing in 40 competitors in a 30 minute run and call it a "time attack"

If there were too many cars at one go, then is no longer called Time Attack since there could be slower cars that might be obstructing cars that is able to get a better lap time than them. Just
defeat the purpose of the event for getting the best time. More like a circuit race instead.

Too hard to cater to too many participants a day. Only have that much time to get the event
going as planned.

Unless gonna make it a 2 day TTA to cater to everyone who is interested to participate.

In fact, the spots available for TTA were totally sold out even there were more interested participants wanted to register but no spots available left.

 

[xbalance2002]

I would have to say that a lot of faster drivers just didn't bother to participate this time around as it's more like a traffic jam than a proper time attack event which they limit the amount of car per heat and not just throwing in 40 competitors in a 30 minute run and call it a "time attack"

bro we are so use to traffic jam where every we go and most happen on entering city, the organizer for TTA also a businessman to rent a track like sepang is not cheap this renting a empty house, without marshal and other things all this is cost.

if we really compare to other TIME ATTACK event in other country their event is 2 days and will give most of the driver max run with minimum traffic in the track.

car rules and regulation in here also not very tight control.

 

[elsm80]

Izso - Your question is worthless and so I am not even going to bother acknowledging it after this.

Back to the subject

I think there is a general consensus as to some factors as to why we had our asses whopped BUT I think some of suggested factors are just plain bollocks.

1) Bigger budget - NOW, this is really bollocks. Looking at the spec sheet of their cars, I think we were on equal footing. We had our big teams there too, race fuel, A08s, pit crew etc... The notice-able difference is however in the way the teams operated. IMHO, Malaysian workshops don't know how to race...what more manage a race team. They have very little idea as to what they are doing.

If you serious about really winning on your homeground, your team would have already been testing all morning during the open track day, you would already be getting doing timings, tyre pressure, aero adjustments instead of arriving just in time for registration with most of your mechanics looking like they either work or just came back from neverland.

I don't want to offend anyone but looking at current state of the best teams from Malaysia, I have one question to ask.....HOW THE HELL DOES R-engineering or whatever their name is with the least racing development come in as the lead Malaysian contender????!!!

I mean come on!!!! All this time N whatever, St Whatever or Mc whatever race shop all bullshitting us is it? WITH little experience, a small team out of nowhere can beat everybody is a proper racing environment. AND the worse part is that these shops, do not charge LITTLE, their rates, dollar for dollar is more expensive.

Our car modding scene here is also famous for fantastic margins with little or no real technical input. SO the fact is we have bigger budgets cos we can afford to have trained monkeys work on our expensive cars, f*&K them up at the race and then still charge us for it!! DO that in Singapore and those monkeys will be seeing the inside of an industrial/consumer inquiry faster than they can bank in their bananas. Do it in Malaysia and the famous "that's racing bro" quote can be heard. So who's got a bigger budget now?

2) The Fast Drivers weren't participating - Check the list bro...I think most of the usual suspects are there

3) 1 sec is not that much what - If you say something like this, you really should not even be in this forum.

4) The TTA format is not ideal - Like traffic jam some might say, in that case how the hell did a 2.22 get set? No such thing as a clear track for the ideal lap, ask any racer...its about how you drive around these factors that prove you are the best. No such thing as best format etc....that's just a typical sore loser cop out, it also shows how ignorant one can be about competitive motorsports.

I do not mind getting flamed etc etc so I'll say it.

Bottom line: MALAYSIAN TEAMS as it is will always lose if we continue to develop the way we are doing. Our mechanics know jack shit, our workshops are all con jobs and most of our most gifted drivers cannot afford/no opportunity/do not give 2 F*&ks about TTA. So that leaves us mere mortals with our handicapped cars to compete with people who know what they are doing. I do not see a MALAYSIAN victory for as long as there is SERIOUS Singaporean competition.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

Izso - Your question is worthless and so I am not even going to bother acknowledging it after this.

Back to the subject

I think there is a general consensus as to some factors as to why we had our asses whopped BUT I think some of suggested factors are just plain bollocks.

1) Bigger budget - NOW, this is really bollocks. Looking at the spec sheet of their cars, I think we were on equal footing. We had our big teams there too, race fuel, A08s, pit crew etc... The notice-able difference is however in the way the teams operated. IMHO, Malaysian workshops don't know how to race...what more manage a race team. They have very little idea as to what they are doing.

If you serious about really winning on your homeground, your team would have already been testing all morning during the open track day, you would already be getting doing timings, tyre pressure, aero adjustments instead of arriving just in time for registration with most of your mechanics looking like they either work or just came back from neverland.

I don't want to offend anyone but looking at current state of the best teams from Malaysia, I have one question to ask.....HOW THE HELL DOES R-engineering or whatever their name is with the least racing development come in as the lead Malaysian contender????!!!

I mean come on!!!! All this time N whatever, St Whatever or Mc whatever race shop all bullshitting us is it? WITH little experience, a small team out of nowhere can beat everybody is a proper racing environment. AND the worse part is that these shops, do not charge LITTLE, their rates, dollar for dollar is more expensive.

Our car modding scene here is also famous for fantastic margins with little or no real technical input. SO the fact is we have bigger budgets cos we can afford to have trained monkeys work on our expensive cars, f*&K them up at the race and then still charge us for it!! DO that in Singapore and those monkeys will be seeing the inside of an industrial/consumer inquiry faster than they can bank in their bananas. Do it in Malaysia and the famous "that's racing bro" quote can be heard. So who's got a bigger budget now?

2) The Fast Drivers weren't participating - Check the list bro...I think most of the usual suspects are there

3) 1 sec is not that much what - If you say something like this, you really should not even be in this forum.

4) The TTA format is not ideal - Like traffic jam some might say, in that case how the hell did a 2.22 get set? No such thing as a clear track for the ideal lap, ask any racer...its about how you drive around these factors that prove you are the best. No such thing as best format etc....that's just a typical sore loser cop out, it also shows how ignorant one can be about competitive motorsports.

I do not mind getting flamed etc etc so I'll say it.

Bottom line: MALAYSIAN TEAMS as it is will always lose if we continue to develop the way we are doing. Our mechanics know jack shit, our workshops are all con jobs and most of our most gifted drivers cannot afford/no opportunity/do not give 2 F*&ks about TTA. So that leaves us mere mortals with our handicapped cars to compete with people who know what they are doing. I do not see a MALAYSIAN victory for as long as there is SERIOUS Singaporean competition.

You have 2 options bro, just a suggestion though. No hard feelings.

1) Migrate to Singapore, get a Singapore Citizenship, then you can be proud as a Singaporean since they were the better team that won that day

2) Join the next TTA yourself and give it your best shot to make all of us Malaysians proud by
winning over the Singapore Teams.

Talk is cheap, is like complaining on why Rooney couldn't bloody score that easy goal when we were the only ones watching the game from a TV at home with no experience or even qualified to play for Man Utd in the 1st place.

I believe the Malaysian Teams had given their best and the lap times between the top few for Singaporean and Malaysian Team is not that far of a gap.

Unless u think u can do better than them, then you may choose Option 2. Better walk the talk than talk the talk. Some respect for those racers out there who had given their best shot is more like it.

If u really did join the next TTA and manage to get on top of the list above the Singaporeans while the rest of the Malaysia Teams are at the bottom of those Singapore Teams, then I have nothing to say but to you.

Easier to be said than done.

 

[ixeo]

1) Bigger budget - NOW, this is really bollocks. Looking at the spec sheet of their cars, I think we were on equal footing

Were you there? Care to share the spec sheets of the Singaporean cars versus the Malaysian cars? Since you said you were looking at it.

I'd like to know.

 

[xbalance2002]

To some this TTA malaysia team lose yes they dint able to get good score but hey this is a racing event some time win some time lose racing is the game and some more this is only 1st round we still have 2 more round to go...

motor sport in malaysia still very small, we should give all the racing driver a big congratulate even win or lose cause the show a good sports man ship rather then alot young people race in public road.