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Discussion in 'The Malaysian Skyline Club' started by BNR, May 14, 2010.

  1. [PIMPIN]

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    Sorry to dig-up an old thread but like BNR, I was bored so I was reading the Crimes section and I thought we could discuss this issue further. There was some useful information but there was also a fair amount of ridiculous ideas. One guy suggested wiring the car in such a way that whoever touches the car would get an electric shock. To be honest, the thought crossed my mind and I even discussed this with Peter at CV Audio. Entirely possible but what if a curious kid happened to touch your car?

    Another option I considered was to have a removable steering wheel especially if you're going to leave the car for long periods. But then where do you find the boss kit? Hicas boss kits are easy enough but do they even have quick release ones?


    I spoke to a few car thieves and in general, the longer it takes/harder it is to steal a car; the more likely it is that they will move on. This is for the types of cars that they regularly steal due to demand. Used to be Wish, then Hilux, etc. We're not talking about cars that are specifically targeted, but those that fall into the category of crime of opportunity. So short answer is yes definitely a deterrent but not impossible.


    I've decided to paste Tom's question here since he kacau the other thread - only Perlis people would do such a thing :biggrin: When I did my alarm system, I asked Peter frankly how many of his customer's cars were stolen and if I remember correctly (this was awhile ago) it was less than 5 but they were recovered further down the road.

    Firstly, the installation is very well done. Secondly, it's not a cheap RM700 alarm that you see advertised everywhere, multiply that by about 10 and you'd be close I think. How it works, what it does etc is best kept between you and your installer. The third reason is the use of additional modules/functions. There are also many other little things. Even having different keys for the boot and the doors is worth doing - luckily our cars come that way.

    Security tint helps; slows thieves down. Especially if your alarm is so sensitive that it goes off when people lean against it, smashing repeatedly will surely trigger it. Helps if the car informs you that the alarm has been triggered as well. I hear people say that if the car is parked in a basement then the GSM device won't work. I totally disagree because when I lived in a condo, my carpark spot was in basement 3 and it still worked.

    One thing that caught my attention were posts stating that thieves now have devices to jam any GSM tracking devices. I know these things exist but how about GPS? Those use satellites don't they? How does someone block such a signal? I think I might find out more from Peter on the validity of these statements.

    Finally, I'm curious to know what the current methods are. Stealing cars in public places or from homes is a normal occurrence but what about car-jacking? Which of the two techniques is more popular now? I believe any car regardless of the level of security is most vulnerable in a carjacking situation. Not only is the owner in danger but the car is most likely to be driven off successfully.

    I have heard of cases of this method backfiring though, because the majority of them although armed with their parangs are caught off guard because their target so happens to be carrying a licensed firearm. Of course, even if a car thief does have a gun himself does not mean he's any good. Legally, even if the car thief dies its very likely that you will go free because there is a legal precedent about 5-7 years back a lawyer shot dead another man in Bangsar and he was acquitted as it was self defense. Anyways, that's an extreme example since not everyone is licensed to carry a firearm and even if they were it's a hassle really because it's meant to be concealed at all times.

    Coming back to the original topic, when performance cars like ours are stolen where are they usually headed for? I know that cars like Alphards (a Deputy Minister's was stolen recently in Damansara Perdana) etc usually go overseas in one piece; is this the same for Evos, Subarus and Skylines? The guys I spoke to usually go after Alphards, Harriers, Hilux, etc but have yet to speak to one that steals Evos, Subarus, Skylines etc. Do they strip the car locally? Or is the car meant for specific order in which case they would drive across the border/ship in container?

    Like BNR, I found the threads there disturbing because thieves seem to be upgrading their technology. If they strip the car, then obviously your tracking device will be found. If they drive it across the border either north or south then at least you have more time to get customs to stop every single Evo/Subaru/Skyline or whatever car you have had stolen regardless of whether the number plate matches or even color matches.

    So who worries constantly about their car and what other approaches have you guys taken to secure it - do not post details of alarm etc but other things such as not driving at night or never leaving your car with the valet etc.
     
  2. gobiz

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    Very relevant discussion...thanks Pimpin...

    Unfortunately the risk comes with owning a high value car, probably less for VERY high value cars like high-spec continentals or exotics since the car thieves are looking for the least resistance to cashing in their stolen goods.

    From listening to the word on the street several years ago, the popular targets seem to be Honda eg. CRVs, Evos (big market for parts), national cars (of course), pick-up trucks - I'm sure it's evolved now to include the newer model cars eg. Alphards, Hiluxes, Caldinas etc...

    Unfortunately Skylines have also been targets - Russ Westwood's BNR34 and that black ECR34 that made the headlines after being hijacked (still, can't help thinking the owner was somewhat dodgy).

    My humble opinion is that thieves are always looking for the easiest way to do it - ie. its a crime of opportunity. Where you park is the best protection against crime I feel. Fortunately hijacking is quite a rare occurrence in Malaysia, still a possibility though. Especially if you own a well-known car.

    I was most secure driving my worthless beat-up old Skoda, all around UK I didn't even need to lock it. In Malaysia I did the same with an Iswara. However, saying that, my only car that was stolen was a 1987 Ford Orion that a friend gave to me for free. Maybe it was just too easy to steal and go for joyrides.
     
  3. [PIMPIN]

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    Yes, what happened to Russ was definitely something that was planned for sometime. I don't know much about the black 34. Is this the one that resulted in a car chase? Plates 212 or something? What makes you say the owner was dodgy. I'm a fairly dodgy character myself; I've done my share of peeing on people's toothbrushes and in their shampoo bottles.

    So what's the story?
     
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    Well, dodgy by virtue of driving black R34 LOL :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

    I've met the owner of the 212 car IIRC, really nice bayside blue R34 running a lot of tuning parts... he told me he doesn't really run with the other skylines, more with his own mates...mostly evos in that group I think.
     
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    I think need to HIJRAH here already~ .................... yeah about car alarm LOL
     
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    You're equally dodgy. No Malaysian is born that tall. Any giraffes in the family?
     
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    A story from friend

    when he want to go inside his car ( hilux )
    2 fella come from behind. one parang at your neck
    then one fella take his key
    start the

    then the another fella bring my friend to sit inside another car. waiting saja
    another fella inside the car.. parang still pointed to him

    after 45min. got one call. then friend released him

    Friend make police report
    police say he lucky due since got some fella car was hijacked but build in immobiliser inside wallet
    kena whack after the car stalled.
     
  8. gobiz

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    Hey I'm not that tall... just about average in Western Europe. Plus I know many more Malaysians taller than me.

    Oh well, no decent person would drive a Skyline anyway...:biggrin::driver:
     
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    Actually I wouldn't mind if someone took my Hilux, preferably when I park it somewhere with the driver's door open and the keys in the ignition and a full tank of petrol. Yes, that is my opinion of this beloved car.

    In all seriousness, just give the car lah, no point fighting or resisting. But as I said, it seems that carjacking is when we're most vulnerable.

    Of course bro. All Skyline owners are born at high boost. Suddenly wastegate open and the baby pops out, nurse waiting down the hall to catch. Then the need for speed never goes away unfortunately.
     
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    it not about fighting for the car
    it just the robber want to make sure the car never stalled half way
    so another crime partner waiting next to you till the car is consider safe for them
    they also want you not able to call those tracking system company as well
    then only release you
    if halfway stalled, i think you might kena slashed..
     
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    Sorry I misunderstood. I thought it was a straight carjacking but evidently even thieves nowadays have their 'insurance policy' I guess. Would it be too much to ask where this happened? Was it like broad daylight or late at night? You don't need to answer - it's all good but just curious. :hmmmm:
     
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    You damn pandai bro. once cross the border... habuk pun tarak. :bawling::bawling::bawling:
     
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    True. At least in KL the border is 2 hrs to the south and 4 hrs to the north. Ada chance sikit lah.

    There's one guy in the Crime section who wants to chain his car to a pole hahah.

    Actually, I'm just worried about the more violent forms of carjacking especially for our sisters, mothers, etc. It's always our loved ones we fear for the most.
     
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    Precisely. Those bas***ds have wanton disregard for the value of human life just to make fast money. We gotta be careful sometimes. Being paranoid in a way can save your life actually. Just my two cents.
     
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    I can't speak for other religions and I certainly would not advice someone of a different faith; for example Christians to leave their Bible in the car especially when I know absolutely nothing about the relationship Christians have with their holy book.

    As a Muslim however, I have to ask the reasoning behind you suggesting that the Quran be left in a car especially since there are specific guidelines on even touching the Quran which includes how to keep the Quran in our homes. What is it that allows you to even suggest such a thing?

    You admit to keeping the Yasin in your car and you have clearly implied that because of this your car has so far been safe. Who taught you to do this and what's the basis or reasoning behind doing so? Is this something referred to in the Quran? Did you get it from a hadith? Or did Prophet Muhammad practice this during his lifetime? It's definitely not one of the Sunnahs so was it the Quran or the Hadith on which this practice of yours is based upon.

    I'm not attacking you nor do I profess to be a religious scholar. I'm simply curious why you do it. Thanks in advance.
     
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    How about hantu raya to guard the car..:hmmmm:...just joking...
     
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    Although I've had all kinds of black magic rubbish sent my way, I've yet to encounter this hantu raya fella. All this syirik won't end well for those who practice it.
     
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    I think I have found a solution; but I don't know if I can deploy in the event of carjack hahahahah

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    On a more serious note; apparently thieves can now jam GSM/GPS alarms? What have you guys done to address this? Is it actually possible? I've had my STI broken into and the driver's door lock forced with something I guess screwdriver but so far *touch wood* have not had any problems with the GTR aside from vandalism.

    How now brown cow.
     

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