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Nissan Hits Back At Porsche – “We Didn’t Cheat With GT-R ‘Ring Time”

porsche-gtr-ring1Nissan has hit back at suspicions raised by Porsche this week that the record Nurburgring lap time set by the GT-R supercar was achieved in anything other than a standard showroom-specification car.

The matter has reached top brass at Nissan, with its European spokesman at the Paris motor show today confirming the matter has gone ”quite high” up in the company.

A senior Porsche engineer, August Achleitner, who supervises the development of all 911 sports cars, sparked controversy when he told Australian journalists at the launch of the new 911 Targa in Verona, Italy, this week that they were unable to replicate the record 7 minute 29 second lap time that Nissan claimed the GT-R set in April.

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In the hands of a Porsche chassis engineer, the GT-R was 20 seconds slower than a 911 GT2 and 16 seconds slower than a Porsche 911 Turbo.

Achleitner questioned whether the GT-R was running a standard set-up on road tyres or perhaps something more track-oriented.

“Quite simply we’re not going to get into a war of words with Porsche,” said Nissan’s European spokesman Neil Reeve. “The final word from us is that it was done on absolutely standard tyres which are available to customers in the showroom.They’re not trick tyres – absolutely standard tyres, normal road tyres.

“The GT-R comes with Bridgestone and Goodyear (Dunlop). One tyre gives slightly better times around the ‘Ring.

“We did it on Dunlop. They’re available with the car,” he said.

He was at a loss to explain the disparity over the lap time differences.

“I don’t know, honestly I can’t explain. I don’t think it’s for us to explain how they didn’t match our time,” Mr Reeve said.

“We absolutely maintain (that) Tochio Suzuki – the chief test driver on the GT-R program pounded thousands of laps – he got to know every inch of Nurburgring (circuit) and how the car performs on the Nurburgring and hence set that fabulous lap. More than that, I can’t speculate. I can’t explain why they couldn’t match the time.”

“We maintain that … nothing special was done to the car.”

He conceded that the controversy might play on the minds of potential GT-R buyers. Fast lap times of the famous 21-kilometre German circuit are increasingly being used by car companies for bragging rights over performance and engineering prowess.

“The people who’d buy a GT-R or 911 Turbo are not the type of people to make a purchase like that lightly. They going to do an incredible amount of research, they’re going to read every single road test that’s available in every magazine which is on the internet and they’re going to draw their own conclusion. Will it put doubt in their mind? They might find it surprising. In our experience in Europe, the GT-R has widely matched, at least, if not beaten, the 911 Turbo on various track tests. They can draw their own conclusions.

“We think its performance speaks for itself,” he said.

Reeve wouldn’t rule out the possibility of a rematch for the world to see.

“We’re considering our options. We’re not saying more than that,” he said.

“This (Porsche’s questioning of Nissan’s claim) happened two days ago, it was a surprising thing to read in the press, it’s important.

“But let’s not blow it out of all proportion. We’re not crying about it. We’re not going to sook about it.

“I’m cheeky enough to say it’s flattering that Porsche have bought themselves a GT-R and flown it to Germany, they want to try it. I guess that’s some kind of stamp of approval.

“It’s great to have the competition. We’re absolutely proud of the GT-R. It’s a fabulous sports car, really epic.

“The level of performance that it delivers is really so impressive for the price it’s positioned at,” he said.

Article By: Andrew Heasley

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    Crazy Biscut
  • Oct 4, 2008
Porsche is just sore that the GTR is cheaper and faster then theirs
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    jeffbboyz
  • Oct 4, 2008
aha....at last Nissan hit back on Posh....u would love to see rematch...
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    qmk9133
  • Oct 4, 2008
yah yahh shoot 'em back Nissan.....hahahahaha
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lol, they (Nissan) did shoot back Porsche. Who doesn't want to have a supercar at a fairer price with lotsa of technology then a expensive 911?

Kudos Nissan.
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    waihung
  • Oct 5, 2008
i think if they put the gt2 and gtr together, of course with good drivers, it would be a very close call.
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    BLaCkHoWLiNG
  • Oct 5, 2008
both cars also cant afford.. .sigh
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    savahn
  • Oct 5, 2008
Malaysians cant afford. Its reasonably priced in US, UK and Oz. You'd have to have a good salary but its affordable.

In Malaysia, RM688,xxx is a ridiculous price for a car that has an approximate manufacturer suggested retail price of USD 70,000.

That's about RM245,xxx ... where the f**k does the extra 400Ks go to???
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    savahn
  • Oct 5, 2008
Oops. I stand corrected - the Nissan GTR retail price is between USD 76-79K... but there still RM 300Ks worth of margin going into somebody's pocket somewhere.
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    ken yeang
  • Oct 5, 2008
i got one GTR. it's a scale model.
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    LOL
  • Oct 5, 2008
yala...gtr very cheap only..but sell here like wat 700k?.....our G so smelly
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    farique
  • Oct 5, 2008
Porsche bought a GTR.
lemme say that again,

Porshe bought a GTR.

:lol:
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    gti-wly
  • Oct 6, 2008
nissan also bought a or many porsche too..
during the development of the GTR of course..
if not then how that they could do the comparison?
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    Evo_Prince
  • Oct 6, 2008
nissan is the best...
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    LOL
  • Oct 6, 2008
the fastest cars in Nurburgring?...proton savvy no doubt..
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    netmatrix
  • Oct 7, 2008
Both cars are good and fast. Unfortunately sometimes its a little political. But i leave it as it is.
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    Tengku Ilahi
  • Oct 7, 2008
nissan is the best bcoz it has Renault technologies and expertise.
nissan belongs to Renault.
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    netmatrix
  • Oct 8, 2008
No matter how technologically advanced Renault is, they are not selling bucketloads of cars here. With the aquiring of Nissan, the money seems to be coming from there. Coincidently Nissan ain't doing well too before the arrival of 350Z. The last Renault i remember was the Renault 19 sedan. Even that is rare. And the last Renault engine i saw was the one in the Waja 1.8.

In the end, i find Renault is a messy company. Money comes in, but in strange ways. Its not direct with most car manufacturers. Makes you think they are laundering money or something.
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    prozac
  • Oct 11, 2008
Renault is not messy. Go to Europe or even Singapore and you'll see they're as common as BMW.

Being a non-premium conti brand, nobody wanted to take the risk by paying so much for one; high import duties practically killed all the French and other European brands. That's why you find many of them before the 90's - when Proton got tax protection from the government.
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    ephique
  • Oct 24, 2008
Lets just say that local government is booby-feeding the proton as long as they can. Even till the company is dead. You dont see foreign cars being governed by uh... goverment.
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