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Old 05-22-2005, 11:44 PM   #1
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Just saw something nice which would be good for you all to see.

See the wheel sizes
http://www.mjmturbos.com/images/9g12...gBIG18g20g.jpg

Td-05 18g
http://www.mjmturbos.com/images/TD0518G.jpg.jpg


Modified Td05
http://www.mjmturbos.com/images/16G20GProcess.jpg


Td05 20g
http://www.mjmturbos.com/images/EVO20G.jpg

Some turbine for Mazda and Fords
http://www.mjmturbos.com/images/ihi-t3.jpg

Td05-16g Small
http://www.mjmturbos.com/images/16gREGULAR.jpg

Td05-16g Big
http://www.mjmturbos.com/images/16gBIG7CM.jpg

Td-05 + Garrett
http://www.mjmturbos.com/images/TD05GARRETT.jpg
http://www.mjmturbos.com/images/Td05...04e%20copy.jpg


Td05 and td06 comparison
http://www.mjmturbos.com/images/Td06-Td05.jpg


A few TD turbines
http://www.mjmturbos.com/images/MULTIMITSU.jpg

Are you sure no turbine for 1200hp ?
see this hehe
http://www.mjmturbos.com/images/THEBLACK.jpg

1200hp where got enough lar , 3800hp ?
http://www.mjmturbos.com/images/RUSSIANRED.jpg


NEW INFO tht i got


HKS Turbo Specs
http://cherrypicker.tripod.com/siteb.../hksturbos.jpg

HKS Turbo Displacements
http://cherrypicker.tripod.com/siteb.../gt-turbos.jpg

Turbo Short Info

Mitsu turbos:

Mitsubishi uses TD04, TD05, TD06, TD07, TD08...to designates turbo housing.

For example, TD05H-16G 7cm^2 is a turbo with,

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TD05 turbine housing with 'H' style turbine wheel. There are S, SH, H... style of turbine wheel/housing.
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16G compressor wheel. 16 is the size of the wheel, 1.83 inducer, 2.37 exducer. There is no direct correlation between MHI designation and actual physical size of the compressor wheel. G is the style of wheel (uneven height of blades). C, B, T style wheel's blades have the same height. Blades are equally spaced, but the number and pitch of the blades vary between models.
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8cm^2 is referring to exhaust discharge area in the turbine housing. More specifically, it is the smallest cross-sectional area of the scroll, turbine housing. Very similar to Garrett turbo's A/R. The smaller number means faster spool-up but more back pressure at higher rpm. Bigger number means longer spool up but less back pressure, thus more top end power.

Greddy modifies Mitsu turbos. I don't have any published specs for Greddy turbos and i have not taken any time to measure them. It's possible some of turbos have different specs from Mistubishi. Also, both Greddy TD05 and TD06 use 3 bolt turbine flange where as Mistubishi's uses 4 bolt flanges.

Bisides the TD04, TD05, TD06, TD07 and TD08 turbos, Greddy also makes hybrid turbo, T67 is TD07 compressor and TD06 turbine, same turbo as TD06SH-25G. T78 is the compressor of TD08 and turbine of TD07, T88 uses compressor and turbine from TD08.


Garrett Turbos:

Garrett basically has two lines of turbos. The ancient, inefficient T series turbos and the new, modern, ball bearing GT series turbos.

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T family has T22, T25, T3, T350, To4B, To4E, TS04, To4R ...These are 50 year old, WWII generation turbos.
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The newer line of GT turbos are ball bearing on journal and thrust bearing. The turbine and compressor wheels are improvely aerodynamically to flow more air. GT20, GT22, GT25, GT30, GT35, GT40, GT45, GT50... GT turbos produce slightly more hp then older T series turbos with the same number designation. A GT Garrett turbine wheel wil flow more air than similar sized Greddy turbine wheel. Thus GT turbos are able to boost higher and flow more.

Turbonetics and many domestic makers turbos based on T series turbos. A T3/To4E 60 T .63A/R is a hybrid turbo with T3 turbine, To4E compressor, 60 Trim compressor wheel and .63 A/R turbine housing.

Wheel "trim" refers to the squared ratio of the smaller diameter divided by the larger diameter times 100. Generally, the larger the trim number the more flow the wheel has.

For compressor wheels , larger trim tends to mean slightly lower efficiency.

For "families" of turbine wheels (those with the same inducer diameter), larger trim usually means better flow with less backpressure but longer spool time.

A/R is a ratio of the exhaust discharge area vs the distance from the center of turbine wheel to the center of the cross sectional area. Smaller A/R housing has faster spool up. Bigger A/R housing has less back pressure, more flow for the top end.

The so called "T-series': T60, T61, T66, T70, T72, T76... are T4 turbos as well. The number means the compressor inducer size. ie: T76 means it has 76mm compressor inducer.

HKS uses Garrett turbos. HKS GT series turbos use Garrett GT's turbine with GT's compressor.

For example, HKS GT 2835 is GT28 turbine with GT35 52 trim compressor.

The newer line of Garrett GT-R turbos are hybrid turbos. For example, GT30R is a hybrid of GT30 turbine mated to 56 trim GT37 compressor.



Twin Entry Turbines
http://www.turbodriven.com/en/turbof...turbine_32.jpg

Water Cooled Turbine Housing
http://www.turbodriven.com/en/turbof...turbine_27.jpg

How turbo works
http://www.turbocalculator.com/turbo-parts.gif

The Turbo Build
http://www.turbodriven.com/en/turbof...erklaerung.jpg

Bearing Turbo Build
http://www.turbodriven.com/en/turbof...turbine_16.jpg

TD05 Compressor Map
http://cherrypicker.tripod.com/image...H-16G-flow.jpg

TD06 Compressor Map
http://cherrypicker.tripod.com/siteb...6h-20g-cfm.gif



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Flow Rates @ 15psi:
TDO4-9B-6CM2 265 CFM
TDO5-12A-8CM2 320 CFM
TDO4-13G-5CM2 360 CFM
TEO4-13C-6CM2 360 CFM
TDO4L-13G-6CM2 360 CFM
TDO4L-15C-8.5CM2 390 CFM
TDO5H-14B-6CM2 405 CFM
TDO5H-14G-8CM2 465 CFM
TDO5H-16G-7CM2 505 CFM
TDO5H-16G-10CM2 505 CFM
TDO6-17C-8CM2 550 CFM
TDO6H-20G-14CM2 650 CFM
TDO7S-25G-17CM2 850 CFM
TFO8L-30V-18CM2 1200 CFM

Max Output:
TD05-14B (stock 1st gen) 275-300hp @ 21 psi
TD05-16G (small) 345-365hp @ 22 psi
TD06-16G (large) 365-385hp @ 22 psi
TD06-20G 430-450hp @ 22 psi
T25 (stock 2nd gen) 235-250hp @ ?? psi
T3 (super 60)/T2.5 hybrid 265-280hp @ ?? psi
T3 (super 60)/T2.8 hybrid 270-320hp @ ?? psi

Evolution 1
Turbo = TDO5H–16G-7
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 7
Exhaust turbine = Inconel (steel alloy)
Compressor = Aluminium, 60mm wide


Evolution 2
Turbo = TDO5H–16G-7
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 7
Turbine = Inconel (steel alloy)
Compressor = Aluminium, 60mm wide


Evolution 3
Turbo = TD05H–16G6-7
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 7
Turbine = Inconel (steel alloy)
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide


Evolution 4
Turbo = TD05HR-16G6-9T
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 9
Turbine = Inconel (steel alloy)
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide


Evolution 5
Turbo = TD05HR-16G6-10.5T (GSR)
TD05HRA-16G6-10.5T (RS)
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 10.5
Turbine = Inconel (steel alloy), Titanium alloy (RS)
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide


Evolution 6
Turbo = TD05HR-16G6-10.5T (GSR)
TD05HRA-16G6-10.5T (RS/rs2)
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 10.5
Turbine = GSR - Inconel (steel alloy), Titanium alloy (RS/RS2)
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide


Evolution 6 : Tommi Makinen Edition
Turbo = TD05RA-15GK2-10.5T (GSR)
TD05HRA-16G6-10.5T (RS/rs2)
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 10.5
Turbine = Titanium alloy for both RS/RS2/GSR!
Compressor = Aluminium, 65mm (gsr) - 68mm(rs) wide


Evolution 7
Turbo = TD05HR-16G6-9.8T (GSR)
TD05HRA-16G6-9.8T (RS/RS2)
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 9.8
Turbine = GSR - Inconel (steel alloy), RS/Rs2=Titanium alloy
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide


Evolution 7 GTA
Turbo = TD05-15GK2-9.0T
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 9.0
Turbine = Inconel (steel alloy)
Compressor = Aluminium, 65mm wide


Evolution 8
Turbo = TD05HR-16G6-9.8T (GSR / USDM E
TD05HRA-16G6-9.8T (RS/RS2)
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 9.8
Turbine = USDM EVO 8 & JDM GSR =Inconel (steel alloy),
RS/Rs2=Titanium alloy.
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide


All Evo 4-8 Turbos are twin scroll designs meaning that the engines exhaust is divided into two channels (see first pic). As the engine exhausts in pulses.. its supposed to result in quicker spooling. From the Evo 4 onwards, the Turbo spins in the opposite direction, i.e. Anticlockwise (hence the R in the turbo name). The Titanium Alumnide alloy used in the RS/RS2 and some GSRS (factory option) has less inertia and thus spins up around 500 rpm sooner. These Titanium turbos can be indentified by the A in their name.


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more misc info

This is a list (some of you have seen it before) that I have been working to update, improve, and keep accurate for some time. (Steve, if you want you can stick this on the club website). If you see anything that needs correcting, let me know (bewared, 90% of this information is directly from the manufacturer)

Mitsubishi:
16g = 34lb/min
Big 16g = 36lb/min

EVO III Big 16g = 36-40lb/min (DSMLink has logged several 40+) NEW!!!
20g = 44lb/min

Forced Performance:
Big28 = 37lb/min
FP2544 = 44lb/min (56trim/ dual BB)
Sleeper 16g = 44lb/min
Green = 49lb/min (50 trim)
FP49 = 49lb/min (50 trim, T31 turbine)
Red = 60lb/min (60-1 trim, dyno 520whp)
FP3052 = 52lb/min (dyno 504whp)
FP3065 = 65lb/min (dyno 585whp)
FP58 = 65lb/min (GT40 56 trim comp. wheel, .49A/R PTE, T350 turbine)

There you go Art, now you have correct information.
Regards, Robert

AGP:
T28 = 36lb/min (TB03 compressor)
RS43 = 43lb/min (46 trim T04E)
SS44 = 44lb/min (It is a 44lb/min but not a 48trim. It is not a GT30 at all. It’s special, topsecret, Kevin)
RS49 = 49lb/min (50 trim T04E)
RS60 = 60lb/min (60-1 trim) (claimed 534whp)
RS65 = 65lb/min (56 trim GT40)

DSM Performance/Extreme Turbo: UPDATED!!!
ETA12 = 36lb/min (S-trim, ETA comp housing)
ETA32 = 48lb/min (50 trim, ETA comp housing)
ETE32 = 48lb/min (50 trim, T04E comp housing)
ETE42 = 50lb/min (60 trim, TO4E)
ETE52 = 55lb/min (60-1 trim, TO4E)
ETE53 = 55lb/min (60-1 trim, T04E) NEW!!!
ETE73 = 72lb/min (T66 comp wheel, T04E) NEW!!!

Buschur Racing: UPDATED!!!
BR-BIG28 = (claimed 350hp) NEW!!!
BR20G = (TD05/6 hybrid, first in 10s)
BR475 = (No info as of yet) NEW!!!
BR57 = (Garrett T3/T4)
BR500 = (claimed 504whp)
BR580 = (claimed 575whp)
BR675 = (No info as of yet) NEW!!!

Slowboy Racing: UPDATED!!!
SBR-M50 = 48lb/min (50 trim)
SBR-M60 = 60lb/min (60-1 trim)
SBR-GT10 = 44lb/min (48 trim, dual BB)
SBR-GT11 = (No info as of yet) NEW!!!
SBR-GT12 = 55lb/min (56 trim, dual BB)
SBR-GT13 = 60lb/min (60 trim, dual BB)
SBR-GT14 = 65lb/min (56 trim, dual BB)
SBR-GT35R = (No info as of yet) NEW!!!
SBR-GT30R = (No info as of yet) NEW!!!
SBR-G50 = 48lb/min (50 trim, T04E) NEW!!!
SBR-G57 = 55lb/min (56 trim, T04E) NEW!!!
SBR-60-1 = 60lb/min (60-1 trim, T04E) NEW!!!

Frankenstein Turbos:
Frank 1 = 46 trim, 20*clipped TD05H turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 2 = 46 trim, unclipped TD06 turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 50 = 50 trim, unclipped TD06 turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 3 = 54 trim, unclipped TD06 turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 57 = 57 trim, unclipped TD06 turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 4 = 60 trim, 10*clipped TD06 turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 5 = 60 trim, unclipped TD06H turbine, TD05H 7cm2 housing
Frank 6 = 60 trim, unclipped TD06H turbine, TD05H 8cm2 housing
Frank 7 = 60 trim, 10*clipped TD06H turbine, TD05H 8cm2 housing

GT30 (ball bearing) turbos:
48 trim = 44lbs/min
52 trim = 50lbs/min
56 trim = 55lbs/min
60 trim = 60lbs/min
gt35 trim = 65lbs/min

Garrett:
T-28 = 34lb/min (350BHP)
50 trim = 47lb/min
57 trim = 49lb/min
60-1 = 65lb/min

The following is from Turbonetics Catalog:

On TO4E Compressor housings:
50-trim = 47lbs/min
54-trim = 45lbs/min
57-trim = 49lbs/min
60-trim = 50lbs/min
T-100 = 180lbs/min

TO4B compressor housing:
60-1 = 65lbs/min
62-1 = 70lbs/min


Credits to DSM VFAQ

Compressor Turbine comp avg Trim Inducer/ Minor Dia. Exducer/ Exducer/ Inducer/ Trim Major Dia. Minor Dia. Major Dia. TD04-09B 50 1.365 1.93 1.55 1.86 1.6475 TD04-13G 62 1.58 2 1.625 1.812 1.79 T3 35 1.396 2.367 1.8815 TB02 22 1.56 1.989 1.517 1.833 1.9015 TD04H-15C 1.638 2.165 1.743 2.028 1.9015 TD04-15G 55 1.625 2.187 1.625 1.812 1.906 TD04H-15G 55 1.625 2.187 1.74 2.047 1.906 Mk 4 CT-12 1.535 2.283 1.732 2.047 1.909 T3 40 1.484 2.367 1.9255 T3 45 1.595 2.367 1.981 TD05H-14B 55 1.695 2.285 1.93 2.2 1.99 TD05-16G 1.814 2.223 1.911 2.184 2.0185 T3 50 1.674 2.367 2.0205 TD05H-14G 62 1.8 2.285 1.93 2.2 2.0425 TD04-17G 54 1.744 2.382 1.625 1.812 2.063 T3 55 1.76 2.367 2.0635 TD05H-16G 60 1.83 2.365 1.93 2.2 2.0975 TD04-18T 1.625 1.812 T3 60 1.83 2.367 2.0985 GT2510 63 1.86 2.344 1.626 2.067 62 2.102 GT2530 63 1.86 2.344 1.883 2.098 76 2.102 T3 Super 60 1.9 2.367 2.1335 Mk 3 CT-26 1.811 2.559 2.047 2.677 2.185 TD05H-16G 50 1.892 2.68 1.93 2.2 2.286 TD05H-18A 50 1.9 2.68 1.93 2.2 2.29 TD05-18G 1.97 2.652 1.911 2.184 2.311 T04B S 1.904 2.75 2.327 TD05H-18G 55 1.992 2.68 1.93 1.93 2.336 GT2835 48 1.923 2.773 2.02 2.204 84 2.348 TD06-20G 2.051 2.652 2.149 2.535 2.3515 TD05H-20G 60 2.07 2.68 1.93 2.2 2.375 GTRS 52 1.997 2.773 1.833 2.098 76 2.385 GT2835 52 1.997 2.773 2.02 2.204 84 2.385 T04B T 5/6 2.032 2.75 2.391 GT35 52 2.016 2.795 2.453 2.677 84 2.4055 T04E 40 1.87 2.95 2.41 GT2835 56 2.071 2.773 2.02 2.204 84 2.422 GT2835R 56 2.071 2.773 2.09 2.204 90 2.422 T04B Super S 1.904 3 2.452 T04B V 2.18 2.75 2.465 T04E 46 2.003 2.95 2.4765 GT2540 46 2.016 2.972 1.833 2.098 76 2.494 GT3037 48 2.059 2.972 2.145 2.34 84 2.5155 T04B H 2.298 2.75 2.524 GT3037 52 2.145 2.972 2.145 2.34 84 2.5585 T04E 54 2.17 2.95 2.56 HKS T04E 57 2.196 2.925 2.266 2.785 62 2.5605 T04E 50 2.122 3 2.561 GT37 52 2.157 2.992 2.614 2.854 84 2.5745 GT35 2.157 2.997 2.453 2.677 84 2.577 T04B Super V 2.18 3 2.59 T04E 57 2.23 2.95 2.59 GT3037 56 2.223 2.972 2.145 2.34 84 2.5975 T04E 60 2.29 2.95 2.62 HKS T04S 60 2.301 2.972 2.523 2.894 76 2.6365 T04B Super H 2.298 3 2.649 T04B 60-1 2.324 3 2.662 T04B 62-1 2.441 3 2.7205 GT3040 50 2.262 3.198 2.145 2.34 84 2.73 GT40 50 2.283 3.228 2.591 3.031 73 2.7555 GT3240 54 2.352 3.198 2.106 2.289 84 2.775 GT37 2.327 3.228 2.614 2.854 84 2.7775 TS04 (T-57) 2.3 3.304 2.802 HKS T04R 63 2.601 3.276 2.523 2.894 76 2.9385 T-61 2.382 3.544 2.963 HKS T04R/GT63 GT63 2.626 3.307 2.547 2.921 GT76 2.998 GT40 54 2.547 3.465 2.547 3.031 84 3.006 T-78 GREDDY 2.598 3.543 2.559 2.913 3.0705 T-88 GREDDY 33D 2.598 3.543 2.846 3.346 3.0705 T-64 2.49 3.67 3.08 T-66 2.58 3.584 3.082 HKS T51 KAI 56 2.742 3.666 2.785 3.198 76 3.204 T-88 GREDDY 34D 2.744 3.74 2.846 3.346 3.242 T-70 2.72 3.85 3.285 T-72 2.84 4.03 3.435 GT42 53 2.925 4.016 2.961 3.228 84 3.4705 HKS T51 SPL 56 2.984 3.986 2.785 3.198 76 3.485 T-76 3.02 4.03 3.525

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The person who runs this mjmturbo (Jamie) is friendly, talk to him before through email and he's able to answer most of my questions. :D
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er... can pm me Jamie no.? wan to see see la

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er... can pm me Jamie no.? wan to see see la

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Well Lilvee, if you browse through the website www.mjmturbos.com, there's a link for you to email Jamie through info@mjmturbos.com. This guy is from US.

You should check this out http://www.mjmturbos.com/Graveyards.htm as well as the Ultimate 20G turbine http://www.mjmturbos.com/New20G.htm, wicked!

Good luck.

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Well Lilvee, if you browse through the website www.mjmturbos.com, there's a link for you to email Jamie through info@mjmturbos.com. This guy is from US.

You should check this out http://www.mjmturbos.com/Graveyards.htm as well as the Ultimate 20G turbine http://www.mjmturbos.com/New20G.htm, wicked!

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Woo hoo.... that 20G its to big laa for me! its not even spool for 7000rpm... lol
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Yea, according to him, all engine internals have to touch up a bit if you get this turbine. My advise (if you seriously gonna get the turbine from this guy), wait till winter, it's out of season in the US, not too many people are doing project, more discount will be given.

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cool info man...~!:p
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