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willie_hwl

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RM799-RM999? *Telan air liur*

Lol. Thats over my budget, and im not looking
forward for a fuel Heli right now, just want to
learn how to fly and enjoy myself abit, because
it has been my goal to buy one back when I
was a kid.

But guess I had forgotten about it and RC Cars
because I was too busy saving and mod for my
car until I saw this Thread.

Thanks in advance that you willing to post pics
and quote prices on current Helis. hehehee..

I see if I can find any cheaper RC Heli 4 channels.

Cheers,
Will.
 

willie_hwl

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I left RC machines long time already.
Used to play RC cars only but not fuel type.
Tak mampu le.

But last time I was very eager to have the
RC cars and Heli but its just too expensive
for me.

Then I happened to spotted a box of RC fuel
car and the price tag is $500+ so I went
to save my own saving up to $500+ and ready
to buy a RC fuel car only to find that the box
was engine only.

So frustrated that time. So now still have no
budget but even if I have the money, I would
go for Heli, hehehee

Cheers,
Will.
 

willie_hwl

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Edward Chew, thanks for the tip.
I did saw a video on youtube that someone
tied their heli on smthing in order not to fly
higher.

If I buy a very cheap RC Heli with 4 channels
just to learn how to fly on a very 1st trial, I
think its ok right?

Hehee..

Cheers,
Will.
 

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What Edward says is correct. Do not buy those cheap Rm99 helis on sale at shopping centers.

First, they are too easy to fly and doesn't reflect the real challenges of flying a 4 channel heli. Secondly, no spare parts if you crash.

Get the V3 Lama. It's one of the best beginner heli. It's super stable and enable you to get familiar with helis properly. Plus you can fly it in your room. Master that heli first before buying a 6 channel heli. You'll save a lot of money this way :P

Don't worry if you don't know how to fly. Just power it up and hover 1 inch. Then land and repeat. When you're confident, fly higher and try to play around with the controls. And you can use Edward's method too. Soon, you'll be flying like a pro!
 

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willie_hwl said:
Edward Chew, thanks for the tip.
I did saw a video on youtube that someone
tied their heli on smthing in order not to fly
higher.

Cheers,
Will.
Oh. I didn't see that video in youtube before. hehe
I thought i have lost the catalogue. Finally found it under the paper that are going to be recycled. haha

If you want the direction to the dealer and wanna know the shop's name, i pm you la, cause i think it is not suitable to post it here. hia hia
Suprise with the price? That 6 channel....
 

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Imoloq, do u mean that those cheap RC doesnt reflect the true controls
of a 4 channel Heli eventhough those cheaper RC comes with 4 channels?
Again, I guess I have to save a little of my saving to buy the Lama V3.

Edward, yeah I did saw a video on youtube. Pretty funny. At first they
shot a noob playing the Heli with it tied up then a Pro fly the Heli. Lol.

Whats the shop's name? Im now in Brunei Darussalam. Do u have any
idea if the shop has branch in Miri, Sarawak? Woah the 6-channel is
expensive.

Anyway guys, today I went to RC shops, the other shop didnt sells
Lama, Honey Bee, T-Rex instead different brands and it cost $1k+.
But at the shop Ive tried the simulator. Im upset that its very hard and
sensitive to fly the Heli, cant even hover it. And also thats my first time
to handle an expensive controller, I think its 7 or 9 channels. Lots of
switches.

Then Im also upset that they dont have cheaper Helis so I went to another
RC shop, there I was very happy to found T-Rex, Lama IV, LamaV3, Vortex
and Walkera. A T-Rex box cost $400+ for the parts only, no servos, no Heli,
no controller, surprise its that expensive.

And Lama V3 currently out of stock but they have 1unit on display, they have
Lama IV, do the Lama IV as good as Lama V3 for beginners? The seller also
suggested to buy Vortex but I was a bit worried about the quality as you
guys recommend Lama V3. Hehehehe

Now cant stop dreaming to fly Heli already.
But still waiting for an Advan RG rims for my car :(
perhaps after I got Advan RG then I will buy a Heli.

Thanks for the reply guys. hehehee

Cheers,
Will.
 
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willie_hwl said:
Imoloq, do u mean that those cheap RC doesnt reflect the true controls
of a 4 channel Heli eventhough those cheaper RC comes with 4 channels?
Again, I guess I have to save a little of my saving to buy the Lama V3.

Edward, yeah I did saw a video on youtube. Pretty funny. At first they
shot a noob playing the Heli with it tied up then a Pro fly the Heli. Lol.

Whats the shop's name? Im now in Brunei Darussalam. Do u have any
idea if the shop has branch in Miri, Sarawak? Woah the 6-channel is
expensive.

Anyway guys, today I went to RC shops, the other shop didnt sells
Lama, Honey Bee, T-Rex instead different brands and it cost $1k+.
But at the shop Ive tried the simulator. Im upset that its very hard and
sensitive to fly the Heli, cant even hover it. And also thats my first time
to handle an expensive controller, I think its 7 or 9 channels. Lots of
switches.

Then Im also upset that they dont have cheaper Helis so I went to another
RC shop, there I was very happy to found T-Rex, Lama IV, LamaV3, Vortex
and Walkera. A T-Rex box cost $400+ for the parts only, no servos, no Heli,
no controller, surprise its that expensive.

And Lama V3 currently out of stock but they have 1unit on display, they have
Lama IV, do the Lama IV as good as Lama V3 for beginners? The seller also
suggested to buy Vortex but I was a bit worried about the quality as you
guys recommend Lama V3. Hehehehe

Now cant stop dreaming to fly Heli already.
But still waiting for an Advan RG rims for my car :(
perhaps after I got Advan RG then I will buy a Heli.

Thanks for the reply guys. hehehee

Cheers,
Will.

Hohoho those cheap RC helis don't come with four channels! Mostly are 3 channels. You need a minimum of 4 channels to get the feel of flying a heli.

If I were you, I'll get the rims. At least you can't crash rims. Hehe. Then got extra money baru get a heli.
 
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Edward Chew: I would like to correct what you said on the heli more channels is better. for normal operation every heli maxing out would only have 5 channels and 1 more for gyro gain ( say heading hold or rate gyro) , the extra channels if you say for a 7-14 channel radios, are mainly for scale flying where there is smoke screen launching , landing gear retract etc which is quite useless to know the basic of heli flying.

Helis are separated into 3 categories , fixed pitch ( dragonfly gws , walkera #4 etc) , collective pitch ( falcon 3d , trex , walkera 36 , 60 , 52 , raptors and a lot more 3d helis) , multirotor or co-axial which means they do not need a tail motor to counter the main blades torque( lama v3 , blade cx , etc which u will see 2 main blades on the heli spinning and opposite direction).

willie_hwl: fixed pitch helis which only uses 4 channel , so you get forward motion , backward, roll left , roll righ but no inverted flights( upside down) . fixed pitch helis as the name suggest means the main blades already have a certain amount of pitch fixed which u cannot change at any time and how the heli flies depends on the motor speed/rpm which u raise with the throttle stick. it does teach you how to hover a heli , do fast foward flight and banked turnings( stall turns) .

a 6 channel , actually 5 channel+1 ( the 1 channel is for gyro gain which you dont really mess with unless u go into intermediate stage) , is a collective pitch heli , the headspin ( motor speed/rpm) will be held constant and how the heli lift off is with the chance of pitch that you can control with your throttle stick , if u move it up and down u can actually see the main blades change position which u cant see on a fixed pitch ( 4 channel) heli. well all helis are hard to fly , crashing is always lurking somewhere that is how they learn how to fly better , u just have to learn how to crash( so u get minimal damage). as heli pilots loses orientation easily( cannot differentiate left to right , then u thought it was right but it's actually left)

try the blade CX if you can get it in malaysia. really tough heli , or better dont even start with a lama or anything , get a fixed pitch heli like a GWS dragonfly , ESKY honey bee FP , century FP . there is a lot more on the market , with a fixed pitch at least u learn how to hover like a real heli does compared to a multi-rotor which u dont have to control the tail and it is "too" stable.

Starting out
:do not buy the stock walkera RTF kits , as the electronics are horrible and you will end up frustrating yourself more. there is always an initial "dump " of money into the hobby to get you goin but later on the cost will go down. if u want to get a collective bird. get a A-tech Falcon 3d or a Esky Honey Bee CP2. Those comes in rtf and can teach u a lot , the sky is the limit to see how fast u learn.


I also dis-agree on edward's "training" of bolting the heli with ropes on the table , yes you can limit the heli travel lift off height but once u get used to it , it does not fly like that without the ropes on , unless it is a co-axial heli or multirotored one. a fixed pitch or collective pitch in no way can behave the same. He is right , get a good simulator and practise there. if not try this flight program below if u do get the heli. discipline is the key here.

http://www.dream-models.com/eco/flying-index.html



jasonchan: fake or original doesn't really matter , get the cheaper one or whichever heli that you can access to spare parts with convenience . it's easier to learn that way so give your local hobby shop a visit. they will be the same , as in china , taiwan and japan market they are copying one another and US is following the trend.

the video edward showed , i've seen Alan and Danny Szabo flew his raptors , trex600 and a trex450 marvelously here in Las vegas, though he is only 20 years old but he's been flying since the age of 8 . so that gives him 12 years experience already.

i didnt know this thread revived , so hope i can contribute to some of you .

Pardon my lengthy post , i just couldn't help it but contribute my experience as 3 months ago being a noob myself i have the same problem deciding myself.

I fly the TREX 450 , Honey Bee Cp2 , Honey Bee King , Falcon 3d , and a Helimax mx400.

cheers
 
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wah good explanation...i was about to get a LAMA v3 cause my fren told me other types easier to crash...so he say learn with this first wo...
 

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the lama or any co-axial helis will teach u 1 thing which is orientation , it's faily simple to hover and just ridiculously stable if you dont do sudden movement. just remember it does not tolerate wind too much , a gust outdoor can send it crashing to the ground.

if i were you I will look for kapster he is in the forum. if i were you i would start with a FP heli which teach u a lot more than a co-axial/multirotor heli. i bet u'll get bored of it in just 1 month.

better yet if u can get it , an ESKY honey bee CP2 is your best platform to grow on keeping cost down compared to other birds.

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First of all thanks for the breakdown and reply.
So lets break it down.

Which do u suggest beginner to fly? Fixed-Pitch or Collective-Pitch?
And how do we check a Heli is FP, CP or multirotor? Do we check if
there are 2 main blades that spinning opposite direction is multirotor?
So definitely dont get that type?

You said try the Blade CX but its multirotor as you stated that its not
that good compared to FP and CP.

Whats RTF kits? Sorry but really noob here, hehehee
Do u mean Walkera brands not reliable?

I would like to get Honey Bee's Heli but I dont think I can get it here,
about T-Rex yes but Im sure it will cost alot.

Thanks again,

Cheers,
Will.
 
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thanx DRFT_240sx for introducing me....hehehehe!!

well...DRFT_240sx is right about what he says.
I have the art-tech falcon and esky belt cp.
I've let a pro rc pilot tried both and he said both are good but he has a feeling that belt cp might me better as it was very stable even when the blade tracking were out. Frankly i prefer the esky belt cp too but 1 thing some people might think bad for beginners is it comes in kit only.means you have to configure your own radio. The art tech falcon is really easy as it comes RTF.

I have walkera #4 and 22E.Both are cheaper models.
I'm not saying that its bad but if you have the budget then go for a more expensive ones that comes with brushless motor,li-po cells and belt/shaft tail.

coaxial heli like the lama v3 are good if u just wanna see it fly but you wont learn alot because its too stable.

Many customers have asked me to bring in coaxial heli to sell but i havent dont that yet,most probably i wont. its easy to sell,cost are cheap and easy to fly but not much to learn. I'm into RC because i wanna learn and teach others too in the future.

I'm not sure what you guys think but i think that FP or CP birds are much better once you get used with the controls.the learning part takes lots of patience but once you have mastered it,i'm sure you'll be addicted.
 

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no problem willie_hwl

not that dont start with a co-axial(multi-rotor) , just that i think within 1 month u will get bored of it , then if u were to sell it , it wont fetch a lot of money too as used helis.

here is how u tell a fixed pitch from collective pitch

FIXED PITCH



Notice how the main blades are curved which defines the pitch.


COLLECTIVE PITCH



Notice how on this main blade , the blades are symmetrical , and they are almost flat no curvature at all.

fixed pitch(FP) helis have 2 servo to control the rotor head cause all it need is to be tiled front/back , or left/right.

where as a collective pitch (CP) heli has 3 servo to control the rotor head as it needs an extra servo to control the pitch( which changes with the amount of lift u need). and in CP birds , they are mechanical cpm CP heli which uses 90 degree swash and a electronic cpm(collective pitch mixing) which uses 120 degree swash. if u guys want more details let me know. but i will spare the details for later =).

well choosing heli , comes down to your budget. its the cost of heli+crash cost . I know it sounds bad but seriously all new pilots crash one way or another.

If the shop closest to you sell esky products go with esky , if trex then go trex. I know trex is a bit expensive but that is just the initial cost , the crash cost will be almost identical to a lama v3 , but the pay off is u get a real quality heli to learn and progress on.

if budget doesn't allow it a FP heli is your best toy to progress on as it can fo FFF( fast forward flight) , resist wind , more robust ( compare to CP helis because more moving parts) , banked turns and stall turns as good as a CP just that no 3D stuff . but by that time if u are good enough a trex would be nice or any other CP helis( rule of thumb is get a belt-driven tail heli or shaft driven tail heli) the esky CP2 has a separate tail motor which is quite horrific to control as it is very "squirelly".

I guess i provided the best unbiased viewpoint of which heli to go with.

Jason: Well that heli is ok to learn hovering , but honestly a lot of people have trouble with the parts quality (screw stripping) , radio glitching , u want it to fly up , it went right etc. it is a good heli if u have your own electronics to put inside the walkera. if i were to choose , i would get a Esky honeybee Cp2 instead of any walkera , cause the frustration even for an expert pilot to set it up properly , on the stock gyro etc it just wont fly properly as advertised.

Any more enquiries guys?
 
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kapster: I will definately go with the ESKY Belt-CP , a lot of americans here loves it so much. I would recommend it to any new pilot as well if you guys are willing to spend an initial amount on it ( a good 6 channel radio , futaba , JR , hitec etc and your own electronics , the esky ones are not too shabby) , im sure kapster is willing to help you set it up to fly it right.

The art-tech falcon 3d has a thread here and huge support if u have quesiton and being RTF means u dont need anything else to fly it. A lot of beginners learn on this heli since it came out and has a lot of fans for it. If you dont belief me you can read about it here =)

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4436222/tm.htm

btw kapster, how much are u selling the belt-cp for? im coming back in december and hope to pick one up from u too if u are selling it at a nice price compared to the US vendors here.

Some great r/c heli forums with gobs of information:

http://www.runryder.com
http://www.helifreak.com
http://www.rc-groups.com
http://www.rcuniverse.com
 
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okok thank you all sifu...

here is wat i understand...

if i wanna just see a rc heli hover in the house..get esky lama

then for walkera is a crap brand who does not do as it advertise and got lots of pats problem (even the forum in their oficial web site say this too) but some claim they got no issue...

just asking wat is the reasonable price for a esky LAMA v3?